Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.

[turbocad6]

mac I host my images on photobucket, that's why it shows larger here I guess

see for me I try to keep maintaining my vape as simple and quick as possible, swap a few batteries and refill and go, maybe slip a new sliver of cotton in the coil after a few days use, my vape servicing is like a nascar pitstop many times and if somethings off I just grab another mod, I like to make coils as easy as tying my shoes. come to think of it now I don't even tie my shoes, I just leave them tied and slip in and out of them, anything to make things easier and quicker I guess

this coil took me like 2 minutes to make, no drills or tools, just a bent rod to twist it and a wire cutter. it glows pretty even and it vapes awesome. this weekend I'll break out a drill and try a tight tensioned one to compare but this thing is vaping awesome as is, here's a clip of it glowing.

 

[Aal_]

I always had problems with parallel coils. This up down up down is my biggest enemy. The issue is that even with a pin vise I'm not able to pull on both wires evenly so eventually one become less tight than the other. I think I should check how I'm holding the wires!

 

[etherealink]

Even with tension, this is about as snug as I can get them. The problem I find is pulling the wires*exactly* even from the time you start the first leg. If you get it wrong there, the whole coil will show the "up and down" pattern that Turbo is seeing.

The coil still vapes like a million bucks, but takes a touch more of finesse when you dry fire. I'll play with it a bit more this weekend and see if I can get one prefect (cuz I'm OCD like that) and bring the pics.

Best of luck folks.

Oh and Russ, sorry for the coil porn... just had to share with folks that would appreciate craftsmanship lol!

 

[super_X_drifter]

Even with tension, this is about as snug as I can get them. The problem I find is pulling the wires*exactly* even from the time you start the first leg. If you get it wrong there, the whole coil will show the "up and down" pattern that Turbo is seeing.

The coil still vapes like a million bucks, but takes a touch more of finesse when you dry fire. I'll play with it a bit more this weekend and see if I can get one prefect (cuz I'm OCD like that) and bring the pics.

Best of luck folks.

Oh and Russ, sorry for the coil porn... just had to share with folks that would appreciate craftsmanship lol!

Bro, coil porn is welcome here looks hot

 

[etherealink]

Bro, coil porn is welcome here looks hot

I meant the braided beast but thanks Bro lol!

 

[super_X_drifter]

I meant the braided beast but thanks Bro lol!

It still all good - that is more like coil art - that braided deal

 

[super_X_drifter]

Easy build, amazing vape

 

[oplholik]

Nice looking coils SX.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Nice looking coils SX.

Thank you my man

 

[MacTechVpr]

Both coils glow perfectly even and from end to end. This is how I rig most of my coils any more. Here's a vid on how I do it

Why can't we tension before we wind?

How much strain are you applying to the wire?

Wire straighteners also make wire stick straight. Coils wound with straightened wire can gain a lot of symmetry. Even hand winds. Are they tight enough to oxidize in a state of adhesion?

And Russ, we've known for ever that wire separations in a contact coil can cause vape temperatures to go up. Otherwise, why are you pre-bending leads? If done correctly, they impart just enough tension to maintain end turn adhesion and congruity. Otherwise, why? Geometry and orientation do matter.

Any res wire you connect in a DC neg/pos circuit is going to work, to fire. That's not the discussion here. And I'm not talking here to get folks to wind parallels. It's an exercise to demonstrate what strain does at the molecular level to assist in completing a microcoil. All wires have strain and we add strain. My contribution has been to foster an understanding of how to manage it to specific ends. And this includes adapting strain towards density or dispersion, better said, the balance we prefer. Ideally we should know what optimal is in practical terms. That's my goal here. Disseminating that approach to rebuilding.

Firing from inside out is what all coils do. That is not temperature uniformity.

Not trying to be contentious but contact coils are shorts. Always have been. They go hot in operation as any short does. The only way we have of making a complete circuit out of this is to ensure as complete oxidation as practicable. The magic comes the first time we manage to torch and compress a wind tight enough to get that without having first carbonized the wire too much. Unfortunately, that method was unpredictable and unreliable except that it got a good number of coils into adhesion and impressively behaving like a complete circuit. Then the concentrated geometry exhibits the potential for the effect, an more even distribution of heat flux (if consistently oxidized).

As contact and oxidation uniformity improves tensioned microcoils evidence first a decentralized color temperature in operation with heat building less focally than a conventional coil (click image below). This is seen once the coil stabilizes in temp as indicated by the following video. The interesting thing is the stabilization of color temperature as the element is fired, not increasingly a central heat from inside out. Further, a predictable consistency from wind to wind. That is not what happens in a common coil.



The more stable the build, the more stable the wire color temperature, as predicted by the physics.

That's what this discussion is about. Completing the circuit for what is otherwise a short.

Thanks for the opportunity of this video comparison.

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I always had problems with parallel coils. This up down up down is my biggest enemy. The issue is that even with a pin vise I'm not able to pull on both wires evenly so eventually one become less tight than the other. I think I should check how I'm holding the wires!

Aal, the strain between the two segments must match. A rod, a screw, or anything stable enough is what you wrap the open end around. The wire must float, then pulling from the pin vise apply enough tension to ensure the strain is balanced before you start the wind. I use a second PV with a small screw to hold the open end (stuck in a corner of a desk drawer). Manually start the first turn then balance the tension for the pair. This may require manually tweezing the entire length adjusting the float around the bit or screw on the other pin vise until they are as visually matched as possible. Strain at that point will do the rest.

However, it's rare that parallels are ever going to be perfect. They just need to be matched enough to oxidize in adhesion. The video example above was not perfect. More typical. So this isn't art but craftsmanship is important. Anyway a good art is never flawless unless you're talkin' diamonds. And that's still letting mother nature do the heavy lifting. That's all we're trying to do here. Use things like leverage to get a repeatable result. Using a ruler to draw that straight line.

Good luck Aal.

 

[MacTechVpr]

mac I host my images on photobucket, that's why it shows larger here I guess

see for me I try to keep maintaining my vape as simple and quick as possible, swap a few batteries and refill and go, maybe slip a new sliver of cotton in the coil after a few days use, my vape servicing is like a nascar pitstop many times and if somethings off I just grab another mod, I like to make coils as easy as tying my shoes. come to think of it now I don't even tie my shoes, I just leave them tied and slip in and out of them, anything to make things easier and quicker I guess

this coil took me like 2 minutes to make, no drills or tools, just a bent rod to twist it and a wire cutter. it glows pretty even and it vapes awesome. this weekend I'll break out a drill and try a tight tensioned one to compare but this thing is vaping awesome as is, here's a clip of it glowing.

Eager to see you try that as a TLP. Love to see what wire temp you can achieve. I think you should be able to go a lot lower with that kind of symmetry. But a slightly tighter twist as I posted earlier will help get it stable quicker in oxidation and help it hold up a lot better. Understand too that you're going to see a higher density so don't overpower it. Remember that you can diffuse that concentration with airflow (RDA) and tip AFC. You can always adjust your wind spec to the temp/output that you want. What we're doing here is maxing out the horsepower for the wind. Once you got the tools in place you can always scale it.

Issue here is you're workin' thinner wire to gain surface contact (more production). But it's still thinner wire so it will be more susceptible to distortion and warping from overheating. It's a parallel (half the Ø and a forth the mass of straight wire). But as you refine the fit the window tightens on variability of power. You build for high, you'll get it.

Good luck.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Why can't we tension before we wind?

How much strain are you applying to the wire?

Wire straighteners also make wire stick straight. Coils wound with straightened wire can gain a lot of symmetry. Even hand winds. Are they tight enough to oxidize in a state of adhesion?

And Russ, we've known for ever that wire separations in a contact coil can cause vape temperatures to go up. Otherwise, why are you pre-bending leads? If done correctly, they impart just enough tension to maintain end turn adhesion and congruity. Otherwise, why? Geometry and orientation do matter.

Any res wire you connect in a DC neg/pos circuit is going to work, to fire. That's not the discussion here. And I'm not talking here to get folks to wind parallels. It's an exercise to demonstrate what strain does at the molecular level to assist in completing a microcoil. All wires have strain and we add strain. My contribution has been to foster an understanding of how to manage it to specific ends. And this includes adapting strain towards density or dispersion, better said, the balance we prefer. Ideally we should know what optimal is in practical terms. That's my goal here. Disseminating that approach to rebuilding.

Firing from inside out is what all coils do. That is not temperature uniformity.

Not trying to be contentious but contact coils are shorts. Always have been. They go hot in operation as any short does. The only way we have of making a complete circuit out of this is to ensure as complete oxidation as practicable. The magic comes the first time we manage to torch and compress a wind tight enough to get that without having first carbonized the wire too much. Unfortunately, that method was unpredictable and unreliable except that it got a good number of coils into adhesion and impressively behaving like a complete circuit. Then the concentrated geometry exhibits the potential for the effect, an more even distribution of heat flux (if consistently oxidized).

As contact and oxidation uniformity improves tensioned microcoils evidence first a decentralized color temperature in operation with heat building less focally than a conventional coil. This is seen once the coil stabilizes in temp as indicated by the following video. The interesting thing is the stabilization of color temperature as the element is fired, not increasingly a central heat from inside out. Further, a predictable consistency from wind to wind. That is not what happens in a common coil.



The more stable the build, the more stable the wire color temperature, as predicted by the physics.

That's what this discussion is about. Completing the circuit for what is otherwise a short.

Thanks for the opportunity of this video comparison.

Good luck.

Thanks man . no video shows when I click your link. Doh. I hate it when that happens.

I'm also not the contentious type (not usually anyhoo) but I've come to be very content with the state of my vape. Best it's ever been. And it's been awesome for years.

Rather than spend much time fiddling with variables when it comes to making my coils, I sometimes straighten the wire, sometimes I don't, but I do mostly center the pull off point of the leads on the coil then bend that leg so the coil is closer to the center of the juice well.

I get it all done in the amount of time it used to take me to make a coil.

I truly believe there may be some difficult to attain exact amount of tension that might produce a coil that vapes better than mine but I can't really imagine it would kill it in a big way. I've tried many many ways of making coils. The ones I vape now are as good as any I've ever vaped.

There is a cutoff point in the amount of time I'm willing to put into something vs reward. I need no greater reward than the vape I have now.

I could bust picture after picture of my builds, even firing em cause they all fire perfectly.

Now for my slightly contentious question: if this tensioned wind is so easy and duplicable by the masses, why is there only that one picture of that glowing center post build and that other one of that coil on the kanthal spool you post my man?

I vape cause I can't smoke. I make coils to vape. I'm not out to win any awards or undertake any science project / undergo job specific training to get that AYuss kickingly satisfying smooth vape that I get now.

I can make video after video on how easy what I do is.

Why is there not one where someone winds a set of dual coils on a pinvice and mounts them up and they magically glow perfectly?

Because the coil part is easy. It's the mounting part that can trash even the purdiest lil coils

 

[MacTechVpr]

Now for my slightly contentious question: if this tensioned wind is so easy and duplicable by the masses, why is there only that one picture of that glowing center post build and that other one of that coil on the kanthal spool you post my man?

Not contentious. Valid question. I've posted at least 170+ images of the results of my study of vaping methods and tech. Most of them are missing in the current board format.

Much of my time has been spent making multiple, sometimes dozens of examples of the winds I talk about in numerous multi-device mockups both short and long term. And up until this year walking iterations around to S FL locations, B&M's, meet-ups, workshops and just talkin' up folks for a taste. Everything from simple what's it vape like to more formal comparisons...blind tests, reverse and placebo tests…all I could think of to garner honest impressions from folks on the various wind strategies, wick composition and use as well as the impact of flavors, not just tensioned winding, over a period of almost two years. Has kept me pretty busy. It's gotten me darn ragged the amount of work to figure out what constitutes a functional vape for most and give a good part of that back to the community.

It's all I can handle to devote some time to relay their opinion validated by as much science as I can find to explain it. At the end of the day its what I've gotten back from this laboratory. Thanks for your part in that.

Me personally my tastes are so varied I could enjoy most everything we have in vaping. And I would be hard put to make a choice about settling on any one particular thing….now that I know I can get to them all. What I can't countenance is struggling to get it. None of us should have to. But I've let others teach me how to get there and what if possible, is easy. What I say has to do with that.

Good luck and take care Russ.

 

[Mactavish]

Both coils glow perfectly even and from end to end. This is how I rig most of my coils any more. Here's a vid on how I do it

Your videos have improved greatly over the years, good focus, objects in frame as well as commentary. Nice job STUDDIE!

 

[super_X_drifter]

Thought I'd mix it up a little and show ya what I'm winding up besides coils

 

[Mactavish]

From "Road Warrior" (2nd movie after Mad Max with Mel Gibson)
When he gets captured and they tow his car into the compound, the mechanic with bad legs says:

"LAST OF THE GREAT V8's".

Keep the shiny side up Russ!

 

[aldenf]

Thought I'd mix it up a little and show ya what I'm winding up besides coils

Looks like your fuel gauge drops faster than my battery gauge.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Looks like your fuel gauge drops faster than my battery gauge.

Yes. If you drive it like that it is thirsty. It's very hard to not drive it fast but luckily there are kids with me most of the time so I rarely get to get my foot in it. The poor avg mpg is because I spend a lot of time in pick up lines at school for my kids. I avg about 22 mpg on the highway when there are kids in the car. Even better when my wife is in it. It has an 8 speed that and cylinder deactivation . Yep it's a big 4 cylinder when you wanna cruise along the highway but it can instantaneously be awakened and it is usually angry as hell when spurred

But when there are no passengers, restraining the foot is challenging

I will say that a car like this is chicken soup for the driving anxiety sufferer's soul .

I've had nice cars but this is the first sports sedan I've ever owned. My last V8 was in like 1988 - a used 70 something Torino that was on its last leg.

Since then it's been 4 cylinders and v6's for me. Now I can't see myself ever driving anything less crazy than this again

 

[plumeguy]

Thought I'd mix it up a little and show ya what I'm winding up besides coils

Nice! Reminds me of my first car. Also averaged
around 11.6 MPG.

RM7 looks familiar. Would be interesting to compare
and contrast the RM7 and Rogue.