UNICORN MILK by Cuttwood

[GemCutter]

I didn't even want to say it but since Nah already did...


Yeah if it was big tobacco it would have been way... WAY more insidious. And the first we heard about it would be on the news. I am actually at least slightly worried about giving them ideas so I am going to leave it at that.

I do believe BT knows vaping is the future and they want in on it, so I am not sure they would be willing to attempt to destroy the whole industry. I could imagine scenarios though.

The thing is, ::gets on soapbox:: in the big scheme of things, NOTHING can stop this vaping train now, all they can do is attempt to annoy us and ruin some of the fun.

 

[AnnieP65]

Darnit! I just ordered 2 bottles of this stuff. Money wasted I guess...

I know. Me too. I told them to cancel my order via voicemail. I have to try to call them again cuz no one sent me any email or called me back from the shop.

 

[AnnieP65]

Darnit! I just ordered 2 bottles of this stuff. Money wasted I guess...

Just tell them to refund your money/cancel your order and tell them why you're requesting it.

 

[JmanEspresso]

I dont want to come in here and sound like the guy who has to say the opposite opinion just for the sake of it, but...


NOTHING has been proven yet. At all.

The ingredients generally used in eliquid, are rated as "GRAS". That means GENERALLY regarded as safe. Not guaranteed, not a sure thing.. GENERALLY.

Furthermore, the warnings that were posted about the MSDS sheet on Titanium Dioxide, about how it needs to be handled...

They're the SAME FOR NICOTINE. Liquid nicotine, in a potent enough form, will kill you dead.


So, take Nicotine. Something that will KILL YOU, by inhalation, ingestion, skin contact.. in the right dilution.

Now dilute it to eliquid saturation levels, or cigattte levels. And what do you have? A Stimulant that every single person reading this, enjoy using daily.




NO ONE HAS ANY CLUE, AT ALL, ABOUT HOW MUCH TITANIUM DIOXIDE IS BEING USING IN THE JUICE, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT IS HARMFUL AT ALL.

You all are just finger pointing and overracting, without having all the facts.


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You want to use this to push your views on not having any coloring or additives in juice? Why? Because YOU(im speaking to anyone here, not someone in particular) dont like having a color added to your liquid? So because YOU don't like it, the whole industry should boycott it?

Well maybe Ill push MY opinion on everyone, and say that juice SHOULD have a color added to it.


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Bottom line.

There is NO PROOF that Titanium Dioxide is harmful in the way its being used. The ONLY THING that has been proven, that in proper concentrations, its as dangerous as Nicotine.



Yes, Im also vaping this liquid right now. Its DELICIOUS. And Ill will continue to vape it, until it is PROVEN BY FACT, that it is indeed deathfully harmful.

 

[joemar4]

What I am finding very disturbing is that in light of this happening with this juice....and it's all over Facebook in all the different vaping forums, is that if you go to VaporLife's website, there is NO mention of anything. Not a disclaimer, not any information, nothing! It's as if they are going with the "If we ignore it, maybe it will go away" attitude! There should be something posted. Whether it be a denial, an explanation, a rebuttal, something!! To just say the juice is on back order and nothing else, is, to me at least, a whole lot of shady!

Then what Cuttwood is doing, posting that they are changing the formula because of it "Gunking up coils" is just as bad, if not worse!! Someone has to be accountable here! All this shadiness just seems to cement the fact that they are guilty of what they are being accused of doing - putting Titanium Dioxide in this product. If they weren't, you know they sure as hell would have posted something to defend themselves of a false accusation!

This is not good. Not good at all. Something like this sets the vaping community back and opens the door for all the anti's out there! If all of this is true, and it sure seems that it is, those involved need to step up and get out in front of this before it's too late!

 

[CDnerds]

What I am finding very disturbing is that in light of this happening with this juice....and it's all over Facebook in all the different vaping forums, is that if you go to VaporLife's website, there is NO mention of anything. Not a disclaimer, not any information, nothing! It's as if they are going with the "If we ignore it, maybe it will go away" attitude! There should be something posted. Whether it be a denial, an explanation, a rebuttal, something!! To just say the juice is on back order and nothing else, is, to me at least, a whole lot of shady!

Then what Cuttwood is doing, posting that they are changing the formula because of it "Gunking up coils" is just as bad, if not worse!! Someone has to be accountable here! All this shadiness just seems to cement the fact that they are guilty of what they are being accused of doing - putting Titanium Dioxide in this product. If they weren't, you know they sure as hell would have posted something to defend themselves of a false accusation!

This is not good. Not good at all. Something like this sets the vaping community back and opens the door for all the anti's out there! If all of this is true, and it sure seems that it is, those involved need to step up and get out in front of this before it's too late!

I have to agree. The vaping community hates when people hide!! You need to get out in front and explain yourself. If you did wrong the community will forgive you - but you HAVE to be honest. Hide and the pitch forks and torches WILL come out and crush you.

 

[AnnieP65]

This is really bad.

I know. Really really bad. This kid could've(and still may) single handedly destroyed the entire ejuice business. I dread the fallout. Keeping my fingers crossed. I vaped a whole damned 15mL of the poison.

 

[AnnieP65]

Wow.

It bothers me that those posts were deleted.

As a lapidary I deal with airborne particles, very, very fine dusts are created when grinding a gemstone on a 100,000 grit diamond wheel. In our industry a lot of people died young from inhaling these dusts, so people covered their faces, it helped a little.

Then they added wetting systems and people stopped covering their faces, they thought there was little or no particles to inhale because you couldn't see big clouds of dust, they were wrong. It has been shown now that the water can actually make the situation worse, spreading particulate much farther, making it harder to clean or vent away, trapping more dust particles in the droplets of fine mist crated by the diamond laps and wheels spinning at high speeds, and depositing them in the lungs more effectively, at least with dry dust you breathe some out. Obviously we are breathing out much of the vapor but I worry the same effect could happen in a case like this.

There is a reason why asthma meds are vaporized, highly effective delivery to the lungs.

I still see lapidary forums where they discuss working with dangerous minerals and they say, "always grind wet, if dry wear a respirator" no mention of using one when wet grinding a dangerous arsenic-bearing mineral like malachite. Drives me crazy.

A mentor of mine in gem cutting who was also an accomplished chemist said "trust me, you don't want to inhale aerosolized cerium oxide (a fine powdered polishing compound) more than once or twice in your life, and surely not for hours a day."

And the MSDS for cerium is a cake walk compared to titanium dioxide.

Titanium dioxide: "Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance may be toxic to lungs, upper respiratory tract. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage."

So basically if you think you aren't inhaling insoluble particles because it is vapor, you are mistaken.


It just blows my mind that someone making a product MADE to be inhaled and nothing but inhaled repeatedly and preferably for a long period of time would allow something like titanium dioxide to get in the product in even trace amounts, let alone a major ingredient added by choice, and for coloring!?

I hate when people say things like this but I am going to say it now, this type of incident is exactly what the banners need to paint our community as a bunch of crazy yokels with no sense whipping up dangerous products meant to be ingested with no ingredients list, no oversight.

One incident like this could crush our whole community and ruin a lot of responsible juice makers and put them ALL out of business permanently! Not to mention-ruin the lives of us who have vaped 15mL(or more) of this poison! Yes. I vaped one 15mL bottle already. But then again-no one put a gun to my head and forced me to vape it.

This single incident makes me question the education of every single vendor I've ever bought juice from. I have a 'little' more faith in job backgrounds in food chefs or ppl with knowledge in chemistry & medicine. Just a little. At least they know what is harmful to some degree. In the future, I will now read the 'About Us' section on every ejuice vendor's site that I will consider purchasing from. And even THAT is not a guarantee that they are selling me a safe product and not poison.

And to think-this creator of Unicorn Milk has ALREADY made thousands of dollars off of poisoning us. And the B&Ms who supplied us? JUST as clueless and uneducated. Really makes me wonder now about that green or fluorescent yellow juices I've seen around the forums.

And I too, think it's horrible that vendor's post was pulled. Yes, we have rules, but this vendor stood up for what was right-saving lives and letting ppl KNOW! That too, shows what is more important here. Rules. Not people. I hope that last statement is proven wrong. Because if it's true? We are basically all on our own here folks!

 

[AnnieP65]

your right lets be fair

option 1 lets not worry or talk about it till 5 years down the line when people have issue's first

So we don't be unfair to the poor vendor

Or maybe option 2 you can get some evidence that its safe and get back to us

I think I prefer option 2

RIGHT ON!!

You're my hero

 

[luvchins]

I would think the powers that be would relax the rules regarding unregistered suppliers when they bring important information on an emergency basis, information that needs to be disseminated as quickly as possible to protect consumers from potentially serious health risks associated with a certain e-liquid. A common sense exception, if you will.

 

[AnnieP65]

I think the take away information from this should be to be wary of any funky colored juices. If you want something to look colored then buy colored tanks/glass for your atomizer. They're less likely to introduce harmful substances into your vaping.

Agreed. You know what's truly scary to me though? This juice LOOKED funny so most(not this idiot posting, meaning moi) were wary. But suppose...just suppose a great juice hits the community that HAS no such red flags to alert vapers. Bottom line-we have no idea what juice vendors are selling to us as 'safe'. Truly frightening!!

Every single ingredient should be listed on every bottle of juice FROM THIS POINT FORWARD. We, as consumers, need to DEMAND this. Afterall-some of us shell out hundreds of dollars to our 'favorite' vendors and they owe us at LEAST this much! Because to me, if vendors don't list them? Right there they're proving they have something to hide.

Just my 1.2 cents!!

 

[JmanEspresso]

I vaped a whole damned 15mL of the poison.

Poison. Really.


This bandwagon of outrage and fingerpointing without a single shred of evidence other than one persons word over anothers, is approaching LAUGHABLE.




seriously. poison.





This reminds me SO MUCH of the early days of the Propelyene Glycol outrage....

 

[AnnieP65]

I agree, to a point, however, we're talking about a potentially toxic substance that can potentially do damage to the lungs. Additives are added to juices intentionally. Failure to research falls on the creator. I'm glad he's making changes, but to make changes as a result of an uproar over a chemical you didn't properly research in the first place...well, that just shows that perhaps you're not ready to go public.

Do people make mistakes? Sure, all the time - I've made my fair share in my lifetime. That said, what you put into your juice is your responsibility. Whatever you add, you need to be knowledgeable of, otherwise, don't use it.

And he didn't volunteer the info like a hero. Even in his confession he showed total ignorance. His statement was 'yeah it has titanium dioxide in it but that's harmless'. Genius. I have zero respect for the creator. Zero.

He actually thinks ppl will believe the lie that 'yeah I put it in but it's not harmless'? He didn't even CHECK because if he did a simple google search-he would have seen how dangerous this stuff is. Stating that it's harmless is a flat out LIE PEOPLE! Wake up!! And putting the crap in that juice in the 1st place shows what was most important t to the creator---dollars.

 

[AnnieP65]

The danger of analogs has literally no bearing on this conversation if you ask me.

That's why we quit analogs.

"Cigarettes are really carcinogenic, and you smoked those, so calm down about inhaling something that's only mildly carcinogenic."

Ummmm... No.

Analogs have 1000 chemicals so if an ejuice is found to have 950 chemicals we should just calm down?

I don't get this comparison.


Analogs are dangerous but the MSDS sheet on TiO2 (titanium dioxide) says: "Personal Protection in Case of a Large Spill:Splash goggles. Full suit. Dust respirator. Boots. Gloves. A self contained breathing apparatus should be used to avoid inhalation of the product. Suggested protective clothing might not be sufficient; consult a specialist BEFORE handling this product."

i doubt you are going to see that kind of gear worn if the Marlboro truck crashes... Even if it is on fire.

Omg.
I. LOVE. YOU.
Perfectly articulated!!

 

[SteveDTF]

the warnings that were posted about the MSDS sheet on Titanium Dioxide, about how it needs to be handled...They're the SAME FOR NICOTINE.

I see your point in comparing the effects of nicotine and Titanium Dioxide based on the MSDS disclosures, but does it not make a difference to you that nicotine is not a carcinogen and that Titanium Dioxide is possibly carcinogenic?

 

[Brennan4x4]

one random person says this stuff has titanium dioxide. then another random person claims he had a phone conversation with Mr. Cuttwood himself and "confirms" it has titanium dioxide.

everyone just believes them. two people. do you know these people or just taking their words on blind faith? This reminds me of how hemp fiber was treated in William Randolph Hearst's newspapers calling it ".........." and supporting his personal propaganda.

it's crazy to read the responses from you guys and see this swirl like Y2k or the end of the Mayan calendar 12/12/12

who remembers Andrew Wakefield, the Dr. who said vaccines give you autism? It was 100% fraud but now how many people are still scared to vaccinate their children.... even after this guy was found guilty.

"Hey guys, I personally had coffee with the creator of Cuttwood, Jim Bob (his name is not Jared, it's Jim Bob) and he said everyone is wrong and there is no titanium dioxide. You should all believe me cause I said so."

whether or not Unicorn Milk has titanium dioxide, the way everyone is acting based on accusations with no support, evidence, etc. is crazy. calling it poison and throwing it away before any evidence is provided.

if you like, sure, be safe and not vape until you know.

But please, until then, Keep Calm and Vape On.

 

[AnnieP65]

Yay, they are coming out with a clear one. I Ordered This The Other Day From Vaporlife. Just called them and asked them to hold my order until they get the clear one in Stock and they said no problem

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Lmao! You guys will reward this clueless buffoon by buying more of his stuff? This creep will never get another cent from me after I bought and vaped his poison. Omg...speechless -

 

[AnnieP65]

I don't get what you're trying to say here, but I'm kind of on my last nerve with this forum.

I'm out. I might come back. I have better things to do, like vape. Life's too short for this kind of thing.

I hear you man. Just....speechless.

 

[AnnieP65]

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Yeah. Like a true weasel--still not admitting to adding the poison. Weasel claims the change is due to clogging....omg. I can not continue.

 

[AnnieP65]

Good luck with that, the original is being pulled for a reason.

If she wants to put poison in her body so bad she can have mine--half price