I got that from the office supply section at WallMart.
I would imagine they even have the means too ship to Mars.
100 people smoking analogs, zero vapers
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I got that from the office supply section at WallMart.
I would imagine they even have the means too ship to Mars.
I imagine a lot of people do like I do when vaping.
If I'm driving to a mall or store I vape in my car. When I get out of the car I might take a couple of puffs on my way to the door, but once I get within a hundred feet or so of the door I just slip my mod into my pocket and walk in. When I leave I do the same thing in reverse, I'll wait until I've walked away from the door before reaching in my pocket and pulling my mod out. I don't hang out in the smoking areas, so unless you happen to see me take a puff while walking through the parking lot you won't know I'm vaping.
If I'm driving to a mall or store I vape in my car. When I get out of the car I might take a couple of puffs on my way to the door, but once I get within a hundred feet or so of the door I just slip my mod into my pocket and walk in. When I leave I do the same thing in reverse, I'll wait until I've walked away from the door before reaching in my pocket and pulling my mod out. I don't hang out in the smoking areas, so unless you happen to see me take a puff while walking through the parking lot you won't know I'm vaping.
Vapers are miniscule compared to smokers. While it may seem popular because you are apart of it and try to stay in the loop, there are still millions of people who have never even heard of vaping. Hell i bet we could find a few million who havn't even seen a cigalike.
I go down to Georgia every year for a mini-reunion built around a football game (I live in MD) and I was surprised at the number of people my age (50) who were pulling out their rigs. Most we toodle puffers like myself, but central GA has high smoking rates so it's good to see that folks are open to it down there.
In MD, we have a mall that had a vape stand briefly, and now has a vape "bar" - I haven't been in but it looks like mostly a vape shop with about 4 bar stools at a bar where you can vape. Don't know if you have to buy something to vape there, but I've walked right past security, blowing my steam (smaller amounts - no huge clouds) and no one has said anything.
Cigarette taxes are pretty high in MD so that is likely driving some to switch. As long as you don't get caught up in the hardware "arms race" you can save a lot of money.
I think, in addition to the learning curve with hardware, getting the right juice at the start is a barrier. You might have a decent, ego type starter kit, but if the juice sucks, it's a turn off.
In MD, we have a mall that had a vape stand briefly, and now has a vape "bar" - I haven't been in but it looks like mostly a vape shop with about 4 bar stools at a bar where you can vape. Don't know if you have to buy something to vape there, but I've walked right past security, blowing my steam (smaller amounts - no huge clouds) and no one has said anything.
Cigarette taxes are pretty high in MD so that is likely driving some to switch. As long as you don't get caught up in the hardware "arms race" you can save a lot of money.
I think, in addition to the learning curve with hardware, getting the right juice at the start is a barrier. You might have a decent, ego type starter kit, but if the juice sucks, it's a turn off.
I think most of GA, maybe most of the entire south, has pretty high smoking rates, and I think that's why GA and our lawmakers are so vape-friendly -- it's already written into GA law that vaping is NOT the same thing as smoking, so I'm thinking it's going to be pretty hard for most public places to lump vapers in with smokers. Of course schools and hospitals seem to think they're sovereign nations unto themselves, so thank goodness stealth vaping is so easy.
Andria
Agreed on the schools and hospitals. I work for one and they treat vaping like smoking and have even threatened employees who vape with having to pay the smokers rate for health insurance. I stealth tho....
Considering how up in arms politicians and law makers are against vaping, and with how I keep reading that Big Tobacco is losing a fortune to people quitting and switching to vaping, I really am surprised that I still see more tobacco smokers than vapers. I rarely see anybody vaping and I always see some folks smoking, one fellow that stops in the culdesac at my work, gets out of his car every morning and smokes a couple cigarettes, then I guess goes home or to work or wherever, and the people always smoking behind the sub sandwich shop, and of course just people in general outside of shops before they go in.
Vapers on the other hand.... Well obviously I see them at vape shops but I can't honestly say that I've seen one vaper that wasn't outside of a vape shop or at a vape convention. Oh wait... I remember seeing what I thought to be younger teenagers down on the main strip when I was in Palm Springs all cloud chasing and annoying the people around them with the vast amount of cloud even though it was outside in the free air.
Oh this is also besides friends, almost all of my friends that were smokers are now 100% vaping only. Only one of our friends still smokes tobacco and man.... Does she stink when she comes to one of the gatherings that the people in my neighborhood have.
Yup, I just don't see vapers in the wild which is surprising how much they say it's popular and how they need to make laws for it. I would think I'd be seeing a ton of people doing it all over. But then again even though I see more smokers than vapers, I really don't see that many smokers anymore. Just the usuals and occasionally somebody will be in front of my truck on the highway in bumper to bumper So Calif freeways and I'll get a strong whiff of tobacco and look around to find somebody a car or two in front of me just lit up Or to see somebody in their car with their hand out the window holding a cigarette as if that's going to help prevent them from stinking.
Vapers on the other hand.... Well obviously I see them at vape shops but I can't honestly say that I've seen one vaper that wasn't outside of a vape shop or at a vape convention. Oh wait... I remember seeing what I thought to be younger teenagers down on the main strip when I was in Palm Springs all cloud chasing and annoying the people around them with the vast amount of cloud even though it was outside in the free air.
Oh this is also besides friends, almost all of my friends that were smokers are now 100% vaping only. Only one of our friends still smokes tobacco and man.... Does she stink when she comes to one of the gatherings that the people in my neighborhood have.
Yup, I just don't see vapers in the wild which is surprising how much they say it's popular and how they need to make laws for it. I would think I'd be seeing a ton of people doing it all over. But then again even though I see more smokers than vapers, I really don't see that many smokers anymore. Just the usuals and occasionally somebody will be in front of my truck on the highway in bumper to bumper So Calif freeways and I'll get a strong whiff of tobacco and look around to find somebody a car or two in front of me just lit up Or to see somebody in their car with their hand out the window holding a cigarette as if that's going to help prevent them from stinking.
There are so many replies here, I just read through all of them. Thanks to everybody who replied.
I think that this shows that even though vaping has taken off in a big way, there is still a huge, untapped market out there of many more people that will eventually be converting over from analogs to vaping. Sure, there will probably always be a few stubborn holdouts and people who will prefer to use their analogs until the day that they die, but I think that even though vaping has been around for some years now, that's not really a long time at all, and the industry is still in its infancy, and there is so much more growth that will be happening in the coming years, as more analog smokers actually become aware of it, and they perhaps try it for themselves, and not just listen to the anti vape propaganda that's floating around.
I was skeptical myself, until I actually ordered a kit and tried it for myself. I think that many analog smokers just haven't taken the leap yet, and they don't actually know how great it is, until they get their own vape gear and actually try it out for themselves.
I think that this shows that even though vaping has taken off in a big way, there is still a huge, untapped market out there of many more people that will eventually be converting over from analogs to vaping. Sure, there will probably always be a few stubborn holdouts and people who will prefer to use their analogs until the day that they die, but I think that even though vaping has been around for some years now, that's not really a long time at all, and the industry is still in its infancy, and there is so much more growth that will be happening in the coming years, as more analog smokers actually become aware of it, and they perhaps try it for themselves, and not just listen to the anti vape propaganda that's floating around.
I was skeptical myself, until I actually ordered a kit and tried it for myself. I think that many analog smokers just haven't taken the leap yet, and they don't actually know how great it is, until they get their own vape gear and actually try it out for themselves.
They're trying to pre-empt a mass exodus from smoking, all this garbage about vaping being as bad as smoking, or even worse.
Which shows what bloody hypocrites they are, after all the lectures and hate from the antis. Clearly they don't want ANYBODY to stop smoking; they went on and on and on for DECADES about it, because they felt secure in the fact that NRT is so absolutely useless for the vast majority who try it -- well, neener, all you damn hypocrites; we finally DO have a way to stop smoking, so they can just KISS MY GRITS!Andria
I see that all the time, too. It's as though they are more concerned about the interior of their car than their lungs.
I recently went to Cape May, NJ and there were quite a few vapers which was nice to see. Ginger
I was standing right next to you, in stealth mode, cloaking device fully engaged ...
Seriously, I've gotten pretty good at spotting stealthers on the train, and counting the loud offensive "brittle" people around them, clueless ...
Its great spectator sport ...
I just don't get that. From what I've been reading of *some* "stealth vapers" they tend to do it more just because they want to get away with it. I mean come on.... Seriously can't do without a toot for an hour or two? They generally sleep for 8 hours without getting up to toot their PV's. If I was seriously that hard up for the nicotine that I had to stealth toot my PV, I'd just carry the liquid and as somebody else said, put a drop on my finger and rub it onto my gums.I was standing right next to you, in stealth mode, cloaking device fully engaged ...
Seriously, I've gotten pretty good at spotting stealthers on the train, and counting the loud offensive "brittle" people around them, clueless ...
Its great spectator sport ...
Just because YOU may be capable of going vapeless for "an hour or two" does not mean that others are, and sleeping does not count, because anxiety doesn't typically cause problems when one is sleeping.
Be happy that you are not so addicted nor afflicted, and don't throw rocks at others who may be -- neither your permission nor understanding is necessary. Implying that there is something "wrong" with them is surely not helpful to whatever their problem may be.
Andria
Having been best friends with a few people from New York in my lifetime...
I would say this is the reason.
It sounds exactly like something ALL of them would have said to me.
Although I don't recall any of them using the word "douchey" at any time.
The had other choice phrases to cover most instances of perceived lack of manliness.
Let's not make excuses. I've seen that so many times on this forum and I just want to say what's on my mind but I don't. But your reply for some reason has seen to open the door to my mind and I have a ton of things that I want to say on the subject, however I'm going to try to just stick to the context of what I wrote.
Stealth vaping seems to be more of a way of saying "I know I am not allowed to vape where I'm at, but I'm going to do it anyway, I'll just stealth vape". If somebody can seriously not go for an hour and has to stealth vape in a place that is designated as non smoking, non vaping then it's time to seek professional help with your addiction to nicotine. Stealth vaping indicates they are doing it stealthily to avoid detection in an area that they know they should not be doing it. It is to the people that I've seen and smelled doing this that I was directing my comment.
I'm good and well tired of smelling chocolate mints, or fruit loops when I'm at a restaurant and I look around and can't see the culprit.... Why can't I see them? Because they are obviously trying to "stealth" vape and I wasn't quick enough to spot them so I have nobody to go to and ask politely to stop doing that in the restaurant as I find their smell rather unpleasant while we're trying to eat.
My post was aimed at those that know they should not be vaping (like on a train, plane, bus, or some public places) but go ahead and do so anyway and try to hide it.
I was not implying there is something wrong with the people that chain vape, but I will imply that there is something wrong with people that feel the need to stealth vape in areas that are offlimits to that and have to do so stealthily as if they really are...... I may not be fast enough to catch them exhale, but I can smell it and some times it's purely unpleasant. They invade the space of others in places like buses, restaurants, planes, trains etc. What makes you think it's okay to vape when they say it's offlimits but you wouldn't think of lighting up a smoke when it's offlimits in a plane, etc. I'm really just fed up with it. Went out for a nice dinner last Saturday night and somebody was stealth vaping in the restaurant somewhere, and sorry but their foul smelling juice just didn't mix with Suishi.
Stealth vaping seems to be more of a way of saying "I know I am not allowed to vape where I'm at, but I'm going to do it anyway, I'll just stealth vape". If somebody can seriously not go for an hour and has to stealth vape in a place that is designated as non smoking, non vaping then it's time to seek professional help with your addiction to nicotine. Stealth vaping indicates they are doing it stealthily to avoid detection in an area that they know they should not be doing it. It is to the people that I've seen and smelled doing this that I was directing my comment.
I'm good and well tired of smelling chocolate mints, or fruit loops when I'm at a restaurant and I look around and can't see the culprit.... Why can't I see them? Because they are obviously trying to "stealth" vape and I wasn't quick enough to spot them so I have nobody to go to and ask politely to stop doing that in the restaurant as I find their smell rather unpleasant while we're trying to eat.
My post was aimed at those that know they should not be vaping (like on a train, plane, bus, or some public places) but go ahead and do so anyway and try to hide it.
I was not implying there is something wrong with the people that chain vape, but I will imply that there is something wrong with people that feel the need to stealth vape in areas that are offlimits to that and have to do so stealthily as if they really are...... I may not be fast enough to catch them exhale, but I can smell it and some times it's purely unpleasant. They invade the space of others in places like buses, restaurants, planes, trains etc. What makes you think it's okay to vape when they say it's offlimits but you wouldn't think of lighting up a smoke when it's offlimits in a plane, etc. I'm really just fed up with it. Went out for a nice dinner last Saturday night and somebody was stealth vaping in the restaurant somewhere, and sorry but their foul smelling juice just didn't mix with Suishi.
I did a stealth at the bloodmobile a week or so ago. Got caught, and immediately uttered an apology. The person who caught me didn't say one bad word. He had quit smoking a few weeks before.
idk,I see tons of people where I live doing it in public. Pretty sure you're not supposed to do it here inside bars/night clubs but I see a lot of people doing it there too. Last time I went home (Hawaii) I saw a lot of people doing it every where even though you aren't supposed to at beaches/parks/etc (everywhere you can't smoke cigarettes) but no one seemed to care. I saw a cop walk right past a local guy vaping to give a ticket to a tourist who was smoking a cigarette on the beach but idk of that's bc he thought vaping is better or bc the cops there are far more likely to ticket a tourist for doing something than they are a local. Maybe both,who knows.
I get that people don't want some scents coming their way while eating. Totally get it. But to complain about the brief smell of "chocolate mint" or "fruit loops" in a restaurant seems a bit much. What if they ordered a meal, or component thereof, that you don't like to smell? Or somebody rips a fart. Yeah, it can all be construed as rude, but we live on a planet that contains other people and I may think TAG body spray smells like paint thinner, and be aggravated that someone is reeking of it next to me in a restaurant, how far does my right go to not be offended? Especially if I'm a vaper myself. Their are all kinds of external people behaviors that could ruin my experience at a restaurant, but I'm not going to go out of my way to try to ask parents to calm their children, or make them turn their smartphone down or whatever.
I will and I have asked the parents of crying children to take their child outside to calm it down and please not bring it back into the restaurant until it stops crying. That's common courtesy that the parents should be observing but which few do.
Keep it in context though, if we're talking about stealth vaping (the art of trying to hide that they're vaping) in a restaurant which if they allowed vaping they wouldn't need to stealth vape it anyway. So I have no quarrels with telling a fellow vaper to take his stealth vaping the hell out of the restaurant as it's irritating me and ruining my dining experience. Sorry if that comes off harsh but when I first started vaping I was quite on the opposite side thinking that I should be allowed to vape anywhere until people made logical arguments to why I should not be allowed to vape just any old place that I like and especially not try to vape in areas that it's prohibited.
If restaurants allowed vaping, they'd have vaping and no vaping sections and even though I like to vape a little after my meal, I'd always choose the non vaping section just like when I was a smoker, I still chose the non smoking section as I don't like it while I'm eating.
And it's not a brief smell of chocolate mint or fruit loops because in general they'll keep doing it as long as they can get away with it, so it's a wafting over smell that hits you every few minutes. And my point was not so much about the chocolate mint or fruitloop smell as it is any scent that could be offensive to one person or another which is caused by somebody trying to get away with doing it in a place that prohibits it.
On the other hand if I'm sat at a table next to a couple that are flatulent, I'm not likely to go to them and ask them to stop as it's probably a biological digestive issue with them and instead I will go out of my way to ask to have my party reseated elsewhere in the restaurant and if that's not possible then we're simply walking out. But stealth vaping again is the art of trying to hide that you're vaping when it's prohibited in the space that you are in which is something totally different in my book than somebody's foul cologne or flatulents.
Keep it in context though, if we're talking about stealth vaping (the art of trying to hide that they're vaping) in a restaurant which if they allowed vaping they wouldn't need to stealth vape it anyway. So I have no quarrels with telling a fellow vaper to take his stealth vaping the hell out of the restaurant as it's irritating me and ruining my dining experience. Sorry if that comes off harsh but when I first started vaping I was quite on the opposite side thinking that I should be allowed to vape anywhere until people made logical arguments to why I should not be allowed to vape just any old place that I like and especially not try to vape in areas that it's prohibited.
If restaurants allowed vaping, they'd have vaping and no vaping sections and even though I like to vape a little after my meal, I'd always choose the non vaping section just like when I was a smoker, I still chose the non smoking section as I don't like it while I'm eating.
And it's not a brief smell of chocolate mint or fruit loops because in general they'll keep doing it as long as they can get away with it, so it's a wafting over smell that hits you every few minutes. And my point was not so much about the chocolate mint or fruitloop smell as it is any scent that could be offensive to one person or another which is caused by somebody trying to get away with doing it in a place that prohibits it.
On the other hand if I'm sat at a table next to a couple that are flatulent, I'm not likely to go to them and ask them to stop as it's probably a biological digestive issue with them and instead I will go out of my way to ask to have my party reseated elsewhere in the restaurant and if that's not possible then we're simply walking out. But stealth vaping again is the art of trying to hide that you're vaping when it's prohibited in the space that you are in which is something totally different in my book than somebody's foul cologne or flatulents.
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