Tensioned coils even I can build with bad eyes and the shakes.
or watch it at YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZR3SkPycVI
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$15 for a build really?
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There comes a point when you are damn sick and tired of making coils, at that point they are worth 5 bucks each.
That's not how the B&M's in my area are successful. They will sit there and either build you a coil or work with you, helping you build your own, free of charge. Customer service goes a long way and the shops that operate this way are doing much better then the ones that operate like a foreign owned tobacco store where it's all about scamming you for the extra few bucks. Customer service like this on a personal level creates loyalty. This is critical for small business.
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I makes sense to build the first coil or few for the customer, but once you get them off the ground if they don't want to do it themselves, they ought to pay for the convenience;
the subtank coils would simplify the system; you bring in your old subtank rba heads, and basically do a tradein old coils for precoiled used rba heads.
the subtank coils would simplify the system; you bring in your old subtank rba heads, and basically do a tradein old coils for precoiled used rba heads.
yeah, that 5$ for 'wicking it' is pretty ridiculous. paying someone that much to just stick cotton in holes ... lol. With that cost, youd be better off using premade tank coils, those are like 1.50-2$ a piece... the reason some people get into rebuilding in the first place is because its cheaper than buying the 5packs of coils for 10-15$ each, i really see no point in paying that much for someone to build a coil and wick it for you.
To me that's what the shop is looking at too; either you buy coils for $15 or you make your own coils; if you can get your coils done at the shop for $3 instead of buying new coils, it's like the shop undercutting themselves
actually it's kinda surprising nobody yet mentioned the issue of something going wrong (POP!) and the user blaming the person who made the coil.
There's a risk issue involved when the shop does the coil for customers.
Right.
Sure you can toss a coil and wick in a TOBH or Patriot in minutes, but spend some time with a Veritas or KFL or Fogger? And then what are they going to run in it? Wick it to run 50/50 and then he/she dumps some straight VG in there (cause the PG is ubber bad for you, you know) and they comes back complaining its burning.
And what about the poor sap doing coils all day. It`s like anything else, fun as hell the first couple of times, then it gets old fast. Talk about a monotonous job. But today`s gen wants it fast, dirt cheap, and of the highest quality. Or they they will through their little hissy fit on facebook you know.
Cheap bast...............
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I guess I'm old school. IMO, if you can't or don't want to build your own coils, you shouldn't be using rebuildable attys.
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Heh, that's not old school. That's...something else.
I know how to do an oil change. I have the tools and everything. Done dozens of them in my lifetime.
But you know what? I'm sick of it. I don't want to lay on the cold ground anymore. I don't want to get dirty. The little sense of accomplishment I got from doing it myself in the past just doesn't matter anymore. Easier to just throw 40 bucks at my mechanic and let him hassle with it.
I can totally understand how some folks might feel the same way about building their...rebuildables. Some folks just aren't into it as a hobby. They're only looking for a satisfying vape. There's nothing wrong with that, and hence there's nothing wrong with paying someone else to build your gear. Thing is, if you decide to go that route, you'll need to keep in mind that it's not just the cost of wire and wick. You'll be paying someone for their time, and so you'll need to factor that into your vape budget. Convenience costs money, and in this case 15 bucks for a dual coil build actually sounds about right.
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10$ is about an avg price..... but anyone can build a coil, but it takes someone with experience and knowledge to build one correctly.... what you are paying for is the know how, not the action....
Heh, that's not old school. That's...something else.
I know how to do an oil change. I have the tools and everything. Done dozens of them in my lifetime.
But you know what? I'm sick of it. I don't want to lay on the cold ground anymore. I don't want to get dirty. The little sense of accomplishment I got from doing it myself in the past just doesn't matter anymore. Easier to just throw 40 bucks at my mechanic and let him hassle with it.
I can totally understand how some folks might feel the same way about building their...rebuildables. Some folks just aren't into it as a hobby. They're only looking for a satisfying vape. There's nothing wrong with that, and hence there's nothing wrong with paying someone else to build your gear. Thing is, if you decide to go that route, you'll need to keep in mind that it's not just the cost of wire and wick. You'll be paying someone for their time, and so you'll need to factor that into your vape budget. Convenience costs money, and in this case 15 bucks for a dual coil build actually sounds about right.
I can understand your point, about oil changing, etc. I just see too many people getting into vaping, who want to short cut the steps involved in getting that 'satisfying vape'. I've seen too many "I just started vaping, and I want to blow big huge clouds, like my buddy does." Without taking the time to learn about battery safety and resistances.
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I actually don't consider $15 per dual coil setup with Kanthal to be outrageous. You've got a shop doing this, they have overhead and you have to also factor in time for talking to the customer and the risk involved.
Compare it to juice. I make my own juice for about (if I remember right when I calculated it a while back) $0.05 a ml, so $1.50 per 30 ml. Shops that make juice probably spend less on ingredients but they typically charge at least $10 per 30 ml up to say $30. That's a heck of a markup, but they have overhead and also hype for the expensive ones
So, you can spend the extra money for the convenience of having the work done for you and saving the time it takes, or you could learn how to do it yourself and save that money.
I chose to do it myself. I get a product I can make any way I want, as often as I want and it's so cheap it's almost free. Works for me
Having worked in a vape shop, I agree. Although this shop offered to build coils for customers free of charge, it did take time away from other customers looking to purchase items in the store.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed making coils for customers. I could show them techniques that I had learned to make better coils, and also insure that they were using the proper batteries and other safe measures for safer vaping. I don't particularly like making coils (its a necessary evil), but its a part of vaping. I can see offering the first coil/wicking for free, but considering the time involved for replacements, $10 - 15 does not seem extreme. Some customers wanted a new coil every couple of days.
BTW, this shop refused to build coils below 1.0 ohm for safety reasons. If someone wanted supervision while they built sub-ohm coils themselves, we would do that and provide the ohm reader if they didn't have their own.
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I take exception to this.
I'm a one-handed vaper due to a neurological condition that's only going to get worse as time goes on. I have no fine tune dexterity or strength in one of my hands.
I know how to build coils and can manage a SIMPLE single coil even though it may take me an hour to build and rewick. I know all about battery safety, Ohm's Law, amp draw, etc. (thank you Baditude
).I choose to have someone else build my coils due to the difficulty and time required to do it myself. And too much of my time is spent just taking care of all the "everyday activities" that most people take for granted.
So don't lump me in with all the vapers who "CAN" build BUT have not done their battery safety homework.
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Reminds me of a friend's bar & grill. Very reasonably priced... unless you wanted a grilled cheese sammich. Those were $20
I just applied at a vape shop. Personally, I would be happy to wrap the first coil for someone, and show them how. Would also be happy to wrap and wick an atty for someone who had an actual disability that prevented them from doing their own.
Just don't want to learn how, or are too lazy to do it yourself? I go back to my jewelers' rates ($75/hr benchtime)
I just applied at a vape shop. Personally, I would be happy to wrap the first coil for someone, and show them how. Would also be happy to wrap and wick an atty for someone who had an actual disability that prevented them from doing their own.
Just don't want to learn how, or are too lazy to do it yourself? I go back to my jewelers' rates ($75/hr benchtime)
I take exception to this.
I'm a one-handed vaper due to a neurological condition that's only going to get worse as time goes on. I have no fine tune dexterity or strength in one of my hands.
I know how to build coils and can manage a single coil even though it may take me an hour to build and rewick. I know all about battery safety, Ohm's Law, amp draw, etc. (thank you Baditude
I choose to have someone else build my coils due to the difficulty and time required to do it myself. And too much of my time is spent just taking care of all the "everyday activities" that most people take for granted.
So don't lump me in with all the vapers who "CAN" build BUT have not done their battery safety homework.
I didn't mean to offend. I understand that there are people who lack either the dexterity or eyesight required to wrap coils. My issue is with those who want to fast rack their way to vape with the 'cool kids', without spending the time and effort to learn basic battery and mod safety, and what to do if and when something goes wrong, because they are having someone in a shop wrap their coils for them, and sending them on their way, without knowing what they have.
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The best way I've seen a shop handle this type of thing is like this..
They do NOT rebuild for anyone ever. It's just a bad practice liability wise anyway.. and according to the owner when they did builds for people the amount of times they would have to re coil an atty because some of those people didn't listen when they explained what not to do was astronomical.
Instead 2 times a week they put on Coil building classes. When you buy a pv and a rebuildable atomizer at their store you get a piece of paper that gets you into the rebuilding class for free, or you can pay like 15 bucks without purchasing any hardware. At the classes they teach about the safety aspects in detail and then show how to wrap coils for different affects.
15 dollars to rebuild a coil? Whose to say weather it's too expensive or not. Price is really more of a subjective thing. I don't see the positives in rebuilding coils for people anyway. It would keep you from doing business with people that want to buy things, again the liability is insane, and paying people to do things that most times around here at least are paid for through "tips" not money going to the store... It just seems anti productive to me.
They do NOT rebuild for anyone ever. It's just a bad practice liability wise anyway.. and according to the owner when they did builds for people the amount of times they would have to re coil an atty because some of those people didn't listen when they explained what not to do was astronomical.
Instead 2 times a week they put on Coil building classes. When you buy a pv and a rebuildable atomizer at their store you get a piece of paper that gets you into the rebuilding class for free, or you can pay like 15 bucks without purchasing any hardware. At the classes they teach about the safety aspects in detail and then show how to wrap coils for different affects.
15 dollars to rebuild a coil? Whose to say weather it's too expensive or not. Price is really more of a subjective thing. I don't see the positives in rebuilding coils for people anyway. It would keep you from doing business with people that want to buy things, again the liability is insane, and paying people to do things that most times around here at least are paid for through "tips" not money going to the store... It just seems anti productive to me.
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