18650 batteries for 100+ Watts?

[beckdg]

I just can't figure out WHY
What's so appealing about +100 watts?
It's easier to get good flavor a 7 watts then it is at 70. Surly fried throat isn't the goal.
Is it just the 'look at me" factor?

Inquiring minds really would like to know WHY.

Why ask why?

Oh... to stir the pot, that's why.

You've been around long enough to see a vast multitude of answers to this question.

Your week provari does not satisfy me. That's why I have 2 in my vape drawer gathering dust.

I vape 50mg @ 80 watts.

Because that's what's right FOR ME.

My dad vapes 2 mg @ 7.5 watts... and I helped him find that zen zone FOR HIM.

Neither of us have burnt throats.

That CHILDISH rhetoric CLICHE' is a MYTH.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

But that really doesn't answer my question of WHY. Surely it seems to me that there is a point of diminishing return where wattage is conserned.
The "cloud" is controlled by ones lung capacity more than any other factor, so it seems to me that there must be some other reasons involved. .... and I'm missing the point.

Don't need to get the point.

Just need to accept everyone isn't you.

This is not a cute, cool or intelligent direction of discourse.

It's simply insulting and childish.

It went there.

I expect the ladies shall appear soon as a distraction.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

No idea why. The question never occurred to me.
I agree though that at some point increasing wattage does essentially nothing unless you have truly massive builds. And, you're right, lung capacity is a limiting factor. I guess then it's all about cloud density. Or bragging rights. Or, just because they can (as an experiment, technical exercise, way to win a comp, etc.).

I like the feel of the cloud density of a 30 second pull on a 1 ohm build.

But i like to pull for a second or two to get it.

Tapatyped

 

[Boden]

Exactly, so it doesn't make sense that people are asking "whats the point in higher wattage vaping, when is enough, enough" and all that nonsense I see on these forums.

Like i said, I can understand 100 watts or more on a single or dual coil being a bit extreme, but sometimes higher wattage is needed.

The only problem with going over 120W is technical. With two 18650s each optimally limited to 15a each to account for battery aging. (unless you replace your batteries every fiew months) you get these two equations.

4V x 30A = 120W (parellel)
8V x 15A = 120W (series)

All good

But when the battery is almost drained
120W/ 3.2V = 37.5A
120W/6.4V = 18.75A

 

[Baditude]

Surely, as we are all vapers with a huge range of mod and juice preferences, can we not also accept that there might be preferences different than ours for coils and clouds? Differences from what we like just as valid to other people as our likes are to us?

 

[Weedity]

The only problem with going over 120W is technical. With two 18650s each optimally limited to 15a each to account for battery aging. (unless you replace your batteries every fiew months) you get these two equations.

4V x 30A = 120W (parellel)
8V x 15A = 120W (series)

All good

But when the battery is almost drained
120W/ 3.2V = 37.5A
120W/6.4V = 18.75A

Yeah that makes sense, but I always replace batteries after awhile just to be safe

Removed

Ridiculous coils? The quad coils produce an amazing taste, for one thing. What exactly makes that ridiculous? The bigger the cloud, the more flavor I can taste as I exhale. Single coil 3 ohm vaping, not so much. I end up constantly hitting the thing to get some satisfaction. I sub ohm vape and absolutely love the flavor. I don't get that with 3 ohm vaping. I pretty much just taste air.

But I can see you love the "I 3 ohm vape at 7 watts and that makes me better than you" circle jerk. Nobody I know is a tootle puffer, but I don't hate on tootle puffers lol. Go to a vape shop and most people are using .6 ohms or less. My friends? Same thing. It's what people like. Nobody is doing to to seem more masculine or superior. It's a vape. Chill out. Being a tootle puffer or sub ohmer doesn't make you superior to anyone. We are one vaping community.

Now those 200 watt at 0.1 ohms I can see being a little extreme, but with four coils you are going to need more wattage for it to even work. It's not that "intense"

Besides, yeah, I absolutely love cloud chasing. That doesn't mean it's to impress others. 90 percent of the time I vape alone, and if I'm with a crowd of people I lower it.

 

[Baditude]

But that really doesn't answer my question of WHY. Surely it seems to me that there is a point of diminishing return where wattage is conserned.
The "cloud" is controlled by ones lung capacity more than any other factor, so it seems to me that there must be some other reasons involved. .... and I'm missing the point.

I'm widely known on the forum as a Tootle Puffer (low wattage, standard resistance vaper). My signature vape is a Provari 2.5 with a 1.5 ohm Kafun build using about 4 volts. Mouth to lung inhale.

However, about half the time I'm vaping 0.6 ohms on a rebuildable dripper on a mechanical mod. Wide bore drip tip and re-drilled cap holes for a direct lung inhale. The flavor with this setup is as good as the Kayfun/Provari setup, but the vapor production is about 3X more. Seeing and feeling all of that vapor production gives me pleasure like the Kayfun/Provari can't.

I like both setups equally.

I might think that there's a point of diminishing returns concerning high power capable mods, too. But I'll be the last to judge how someone vapes as long as they are doing it safely. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[chopdoc]

Nope

They never do.

And when presented with the notion, it's ignored.

These are folks just looking to put a one size fits all label on anyone different.

An insulting, demeaning label.

Like grade school playground socializing.

Tapatyped

I think people ask more out of curiosity than anything. They tried it, and gagged like I did the first time I tried to do high wattage dripping and they dont understand why people do this. Thanks to some very helpful people on ECF cloud chaser section I found out I was using way too high nicotine, tried it some more at a much lower nic level and loved it. Now I vape at 60 to 100 watts daily as well as tootle puff at 10 to 13 watts in kayfuns, and mod womp at 20 to 30 watts in subtanks and lemo II's.

 

[TorontoOntario]

The more mass a coil has I can see using more power to get it where it needs to be. That said, I dont really see a need to vape at some of the (WHAT I CONSIDER) crazy high watts these guys do. Im usually using a regular dual coil clapton setup at .36 and 60w and the reason is, as I said I LIKE IT BETTER then a low wattage setup. I dont care how people vape as long as its safe though and frankly you always start posting the same things about high wattage vapers. It gets a little annoying when countless people have told you why they vape at higher wattages numerious times and you still bring it up like you simply can not graps why anyone would enjoy a vape other then yours.

 

[Boden]

Wait!!!

Someone is vaping differently than me???

Where is my pitchfork!!

 

[Boden]

My current tootle puffing setup

0.7ohms at 16W

That's 8W per coil

 

[beckdg]

The only problem with going over 120W is technical. With two 18650s each optimally limited to 15a each to account for battery aging. (unless you replace your batteries every fiew months) you get these two equations.

4V x 30A = 120W (parellel)
8V x 15A = 120W (series)

All good

But when the battery is almost drained
120W/ 3.2V = 37.5A
120W/6.4V = 18.75A

Ummm...

You're missing crucial information.

The battery load...

In your example, you're calculating only the circuit load.

In series this is fine because the entire load flows through all components.

When the voltage source is put in parallel, the load divides by how many sources there are.

So regardless, series or parallel, given the same watts, the batteries will see the same nominal amp load.

So all batteries in your example will get the amp loads you're posting for your series circuits.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

I think people ask more out of curiosity than anything. They tried it, and gagged like I did the first time I tried to do high wattage dripping and they dont understand why people do this. Thanks to some very helpful people on ECF cloud chaser section I found out I was using way too high nicotine, tried it some more at a much lower nic level and loved it. Now I vape at 60 to 100 watts daily as well as tootle puff at 10 to 13 watts in kayfuns, and mod womp at 20 to 30 watts in subtanks and lemo II's.

Yes

To a degree

But certain people have had their desire for understanding satiated for years... and think it's fun to poke the bear.

Constant immaturity on certain subject matter.

Tapatyped

 

[Boden]

Ummm...

You're missing crucial information.

The battery load...

In your example, you're calculating only the circuit load.

In series this is fine because the entire load flows through all components.

When the voltage source is put in parallel, the load divides by how many sources there are.

So regardless, series or parallel, given the same watts, the batteries will see the same nominal amp load.

So all batteries in your example will get the amp loads you're posting for your series circuits.

Tapatyped

Huh?

 

[chopdoc]

Yes

To a degree

But certain people have had their desire for understanding satiated for years... and think it's fun to poke the bear.

Constant immaturity on certain subject matter.

Tapatyped

I actually find humor in it. Tootle puffer from my understanding was a term coined by the cloud chaser crowd as a derogatory phrase. Someone took that term and ran with it and now you have the tootle puffer crowd. Then someone came along and said, hey, I am vaping at way higher wattage than a tootle puffer but I am not a cloud chaser and the Mod Wompers group was born. Now between these two groups of which many are members of both, it seems many things gets discussed including cloud chasing, and the next thing you know cloud chasers are not looked at in that "are you crazy" catagory anymore because people learn more about them and dont look at them as if they are insane anymore. So in a comical sort of way, the cloud chasers who termed the phrase "tootle puffer" did a lot to bring all types of vapors close together.

And yes, some will keep asking "why" but is it really immaturity on the asker's part or a tiredness on the part of the ones who has answer "why" a thousand times.

 

[beckdg]

Huh?

Parallel batteries are sharing the load... so when calculating amp draw from a 2 batt parallel setup, you halve the amperage.

In your example...

Same power applied...

Same two batteries...

But somehow the parallel setup is seeing twice the load PER BATTERY...

Because information is missing in the calculations.

Tapatyped

 

[Boden]

Parallel batteries are sharing the load... so when calculating amp draw from a 2 batt parallel setup, you halve the amperage.

In your example...

Same power applied...

Same two batteries...

But somehow the parallel setup is seeing twice the load PER BATTERY...

Because information is missing in the calculations.

Tapatyped

I think you should look at the original post that you're referring to. I doubled the amp capacity of the parellel.

 

[beckdg]

I think you should look at the original post that you're referring to. I doubled the amp capacity of the parellel.

It doesn't read that way.
It leaves the wrong impression.
It was in desperate need of clarification.

I've read it a dozen times.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But I'm not.

For more clarity... you doubled the amps in the lower voltage circuit but failed to clarify that each battery is only seeing half that load.

So in your summary it looks like your 20 or 30 amp parallel batteries need to put out 37.5 amps each to attain a 120 watt output.

When in fact each will only output 18.75 amps for a total of 37.5. Which makes the draw on the individual battery equal whether series or parallel with the same power output. As it should be.

Tapatyped

 

[NOVA jon]

I actually find humor in it. Tootle puffer from my understanding was a term coined by the cloud chaser crowd as a derogatory phrase. Someone took that term and ran with it and now you have the tootle puffer crowd. Then someone came along and said, hey, I am vaping at way higher wattage than a tootle puffer but I am not a cloud chaser and the Mod Wompers group was born. Now between these two groups of which many are members of both, it seems many things gets discussed including cloud chasing, and the next thing you know cloud chasers are not looked at in that "are you crazy" catagory anymore because people learn more about them and dont look at them as if they are insane anymore. So in a comical sort of way, the cloud chasers who termed the phrase "tootle puffer" did a lot to bring all types of vapors close together.

And yes, some will keep asking "why" but is it really immaturity on the asker's part or a tiredness on the part of the ones who has answer "why" a thousand times.

Every time this comes up, I'm hearing west side story and thinking "when you're a jet......"

I honestly couldn't care any less if anyone prefers to vape differently than I do. If I can help you get to your "happy place" with your device of choice, I'm gonna do just that, no questions asked!!

 

[chopdoc]

Yes?

To add to that.

Again, there are those with an interest and those who constantly troll this subject.

The latter of which we see here.

And there are those who may or may not be tired of answering the question and those that didn't ask their question to be in turn questioned on their intentions and harassed.

Such as the OP here being the latter as you can see for yourself.

Tapatyped

I been vaping over a year and recently picked up a couple IPV4's and a Snow wolf 200 watt mod so the original post is actually what brought me here. I usually value yall's opinion on things like whats the best batteries to have for higher watt mods. So actually, the post is very beneficial to me.