2 Cats Died 2 Months Apart From Chemical Inhalation

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TinyTimberGal

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I agree that you shouldn't beat yourself up about this. No one knows everything, including the experts. We live, we learn.

I also wouldn't rule out anything beyond your control. You said you live in a townhouse, so it could conceivably be something coming from the other unit(s). Perhaps they have pest control spray on a regular basis. It could be anything.

Also, you mentioned cartomizers. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the filler in them is silica based. Most clearomizers and some rba/rda's come with silica wicks, many of which can be replaced with cotton, etc.
 

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UPDATE: My cockatiel is now sick. The way she was acting, we thought she was egg bound. We just got back from the vet and she's not. We had them take an x-Ray and he said he saw a couple of spots on her lungs. He's going to confer with another vet about it. I am really scared this has to do with vaping. I know that makes some people upset and I am sorry. We are sitting here waiting for the chemical testing guy to come out. Unfortunately, he can't test for silica dust and we can't find anyone else who can either. I really hope he comes up with an answer. The only thing I can think of why the cats died first if it is the vaping is the vapor seems to hang around on the floor and she's up higher. If it is silica from the litter though, the cats had more exposure to that as well. The vet gave us some antibiotics and pain meds for Jordi. Yesterday she was on the bottom of her cage breathing rapidly at one point and then she kept sitting down there bobbing her tail. When I came home early from work she seemed fine, but then right before we left for the vet, she was sitting on the bottom of her cage bobbing her tail again. She seems fine right now and she's still chowing down her food so that's a good sign. I can't even imagine losing our bird too. I'm trying to stay positive.
 

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I don't think it's the vaping but something really bad in your house please get it checked out asap you MST probably be in danger too

I agree with this - 3 pets in a space of a couple of months? Do you live in an apartment building? I am very concerned for YOU at this point!
 

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I highly doubt it's the vaping, but if all your pets are dying you need to leave that house NOW! Go and stay with someone until it's been tested. Or I wonder if you can call the city and have them do it - clearly there's some sort of major hazard in the house. I highly suggest you do NOT even consider vaping as the source of the poisoning - clearly there is something highly toxic in your environment.
 

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There are companies in existance who in short order can give you some insight, you can.have your home air quality tested and chemically tested to see exactly what is in the air or accessable through respiration. Im sorry for your losses, its never easy when our miniture family members pass.

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Just wanted to say, I've worked with and around silica for the last 40 years and the company I work for gets the air tested every 6 months as required by our union, and is done by a 3rd party approved by our union, no one of over a thousand plus employees has become sick or died from this exposure.

The wicks in our devices is of the same nature and family.

If this was happening to me I'd be moving, I'd find a way. I hope u find out what the exact condition is, that alledgedly killed your cats and is making your bird sick.

My intent is to help ease your thoughts as to the matter of silica wicks, and that there is plenty of posts on this matter already on ECF.

I hope u post the actual test results letter head etal when u have your analysis and links to who is doing this for you etc.
I believe it is pertinent that the exact results u get back will be shared with our community here.

My prayers are with you and yours. Best of luck.
 

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Thanks for the concern. The tester is here now. We'll get the results back by Friday, hopefully. As soon as he leaves, we are going to turn on our air purifier, which is hospital grade, although we need to replace the Hepa filter ASAP tomorrow. I would love to air out the place too, but I live in Chicago and it's below freezing here. I am too afraid of killing Jordi with the cold air. She's back on the bottom of her cage, but she seems okay right now. My husband had cleaned out her cage last Wednesday and accidentally threw out a fresh egg. I am really hoping this is a behavioral thing because of that, although the vet didn't think so. I keep thinking she's trying to replace her egg even though she doesn't have another inside her. If anyone has had that happen, please let me know. Thanks.
 

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Just wanted to say, I've worked with and around silica for the last 40 years and the company I work for gets the air tested every 6 months as required by our union, and is done by a 3rd party approved by our union, no one of over a thousand plus employees has become sick or died from this exposure.

The wicks in our devices is of the same nature and family.

If this was happening to me I'd be moving, I'd find a way. I hope u find out what the exact condition is, that alledgedly killed your cats and is making your bird sick.

My intent is to help ease your thoughts as to the matter of silica wicks, and that there is plenty of posts on this matter already on ECF.

I hope u post the actual test results letter head etal when u have your analysis and links to who is doing this for you etc.
I believe it is pertinent that the exact results u get back will be shared with our community here.

My prayers are with you and yours. Best of luck.

Thanks for this. I will absolutely post the results. The only things I can think of as far as others living in this building is the guy upstairs is an OCD cleaning fanatic. The girl who lives kitty corner above us could be a .... addict for all I know; she seems pretty weird. This is a pretty middle class area though. And she goes to work everyday.
 

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Thanks for this. I will absolutely post the results. The only things I can think of as far as others living in this building is the guy upstairs is an OCD cleaning fanatic. The girl who lives kitty corner above us could be a .... addict for all I know; she seems pretty weird. This is a pretty middle class area though. And she goes to work everyday.

I'm looking forward to hearing that you have found the source of your problem, and I'm so sorry it's been at such a cost. :( I really am worried for your safety as well.
 

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I'm sorry to hear of such pain you and your mate are going through. Along with getting someone in there to do testing, truthfully, if I were in your shoes, I would be knocking on the doors of every neighbor to find out if they're experiencing the same. I would also be asking my vet(s) if there was a local agency to report the problem to. In fact, I would be on the phone looking into any agency that might be investigating or receiving similar reports. When the outbreak of bad pet food was taking lives it helped everyone with pets when it hit the news. My concern now is two very different species are involved and am afraid humans could be next. Animals have smaller bodies and they and children are often first casualties. This is something obviously very toxic. Don't stop until you find out what's happening. I would even contact the police as maybe someone could be mixing drug chemicals in the building. I don't know anything about it .... if they can be smelled... but there's a reason they wear masks while making them (saw that on TV.) Anyway, the police would certainly know about it. Thinking of that, maybe I wouldn't knock on doors until I talked to the police and see what they have to say. I guess I'm trying to say that with something so obviously lethal there comes a point where one has to think of consequences beyond one's own home... the community.

Edit: I just read your last posts about the inspector as well as the one about one of your neighbors. I guess they didn't load when I posted this as I didn't see them. Anyway, I'm sure the inspector will know who to contact as well as any pointers and if there are traces of chemicals used to make drugs. As for the talk about silica and cartomizers/wicks, I think with the emotional nature of all this logic is being side-stepped. If you were exhaling a load of silica into the air which really isn't reasonable it would be affecting you first. If you are worried about your own lungs then you should see a doctor and have them x-rayed. Maybe a good idea anyway at this point if you're that worried about what you're inhaling. I'm not arguing or diminishing your concern in any way. Just saying you're expending a whole lot of energy trying to figure things out and worrying and that energy could be better spent by taking action... making the contacts I mentioned.
 
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Now I'm a bit scared, u see your profile says u live in IL I'll assume that's Illinois. The company I work for their head office is in Owens, and people from head office are here all the time, so I'm a bit scared that maybe they well drag something up here.......

Perhaps a call to the CDC is in order eh!

Good thing is all my liquid is home brewed, and I hope I don't get sent down there etc.

What liquid are u Vapeing where did u buy it from????.
 

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My initial thought was "....." It is said that a habitation where .... is cooked and/or used is highly toxic. Maybe other occupants in the building are using? I'm so sorry for your loss and hope you get to the bottom of what's causing your pets to get sick.

ETA: I see that the forum dotted out the word. I starts with an "M" and ends with an "H."
 

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You all were right that we should have left the house. I got up this morning and checked on Jordi and she was on the bottom of the cage with breathing difficulties. I woke up my husband, called my mom and we rushed the bird to her house. She was fine all day, not on the bottom of the cage once. And you guys will be happy to hear this, my mom vapes and her boyfriend smokes and vapes in the house. Now, her house is bigger than ours so there is more air, but if this had to do with vaping I highly doubt her recovery would have been so quick. The icing on the cake is I also went to the doctor and she doesn't think it has to do with vaping either. She did a blood test. I don't remember what all she is testing for, but I know toxicology is one thing and a urinalysis. She also ordered a chest x-ray. I'll let you all know how that turns out.

A little bad news - I spoke with a toxicologist from the state health department and he did a lot of research and sent me back a very detailed email about everything he found out about e-cigs from scientific studies. He found one study of pneumonitis (inflammation of the lungs) and re-occurrence after using them again. Cougar had inflammation of the lungs. He also said reported emissions show chemicals which are closely related to diacetyl (look up popcorn lung). This guy spent a lot of his time trying to help me today, which I am very grateful for. He also researched the company that came to do the testing and is going to get back to me about the reliability of the lab doing the results (this is all on his own without me even asking).

We had Nicor out here to check for gas (even though I found out it isn't even toxic - it can kill you by blowing you up, but not otherwise) and the fire department came out and checked for carbon monoxide again. They did a very thorough test, even turning everything on and testing. It all came out fine.

I've spoken to so many people about this and one question that keeps coming up is if I've gotten any new furniture, gotten any remodeling done, new roof, etc., in which I answered no. I have no idea how this escaped me, but a year ago, we got a new entertainment center - oak stained in black. It was made to order and when it came and there was a strong smell. I remember the smell being of wood; my husband remembers smelling the stain. That is around the time my first cat seemed to start having problems (which is why we kept thinking of carpet shampoo and painting - it was around the same time). We think maybe the problem is creosote. That would explain the chronic chemical inhalation and it is toxic to pets. It also has phenols in it which are toxic. More recently, I bought a new kind of plug in - Air Wick. We have used plug ins in the past, but they were Glade and we hadn't used them in a long time. We believe maybe the Air Wick air fresheners is what caused the exacerbation of symptoms since the pets lung function was already so bad and they may contain phenols. This is all theory, yet again.

I stayed at my mom's all day except when the fireman and Nicor was out here and at the time I unplugged the air freshener. We have been running the air purifier all day. One other thing I noticed today (which the vet didn't notice) is Jordi also is having skin issues. That could also lend to the creosote theory as we have recently been letting her out more and she has been hanging out on the entertainment center. Another thing is the cats have always hated the smell of it and avoided it.

If anyone has any comments about this theory, please share. One other thing I forgot to mention is I've also had a couple of nosebleeds lately. You guys have been immensely helpful in your support and suggestions and I really appreciate it.

By the way, my husband and I decided to come home tonight (the bird stayed at my mom's). Now after being home, we're getting paranoid about burning eyes, dizziness, chest tightening. I am sure it is all the anxiety we've been through, but we have decided to play it safe and go to a hotel!
 

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By the way, my husband and I decided to come home tonight (the bird stayed at my mom's). Now after being home, we're getting paranoid about burning eyes, dizziness, chest tightening. I am sure it is all the anxiety we've been through, but we have decided to play it safe and go to a hotel!

I'm glad you decided to do that. I don't know what's in your living space but it can't be good for you either. Really glad to hear that Jordi is feeling better. :) Birds are little dynamos, but they can be so fragile at the same time!
 
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