5 Liter VG with 12% Nico - question

[EgoLife]

I've tried wintergreen, strawberries n cream, strawberry, passion fruit, wild berry, tobacco (yuck) and I've done 0 nicotine and 12mg nicotine usually both in the same night since I work overnight and my friend brings 30ml bottles full of different flavors he buys.

I personally would probably be good with 0 nicotine the flavor in itself is enjoyable for me but I know people crave nicotine so w/e lol

And I'm not sure what his supplier uses actually it seems like a mix of the two because of the taste, the amount of vapor, and the hit on the throat that I get sometimes, based on most of what I have tried it seems to be PG based but there's no way I can be 100%

 

[DancingHeretik]

It sounds like you have a lot of research to do!

I buy my nic in PG base because I use 80/20 to 70/30 PG/VG. VG base would absolutely not work for me.

See you in the DIY section!

 

[BlueMoods]

A lot of flavors need sweetener, most need to at least breathe for 8 to 12 hours and, some need to steep for anywhere form 3 days to 3 months to be good. A few never get good.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Your lack of understanding in this area is actually frightening, and I don't think you should buy anything until you have a better handle on it, let alone 5 liters. First of all, if you buy 12 mg/ml nicotine, 100% VG, you are not going to be able to make any juice higher than about 11 mg/ml in an 10/90 PG/VG mix. That's is not the norm. The norm is probably about a 60/40 or 50/50 mix, probably at 12 mg/ml, or higher (at first certainly). If you did decide to do a 60/40 PG/VG mix with say 10% flavor, the highest your nic level would reach is 4.8 mg/ml as follows:

Nic juice 40% (12 mg/ml nic @ 40% = 4.8 mg/ml)
PG 50%
Flavor 10% (assumes the flavor in PG -the norm)

Even if you did want to vape at 4.8 mg/ml, the cost of nicotine decreases dramatically as you increase the starting strength. I routinely use 100mg/ml nic juice to start in both 100% VG and 100% PG. I can make any possible combination of PG/VG and nic strength. Yes, you have to be careful at 100 mg/ml, but because it's diluted to 10% nicotine (999mg/ml = pure nicotine, more or less), it's not instantly absorbed by the skin. Use gloves and wipe off any nic on the skin immediately. At this strength, you also need eye protection.

Sorry to be harsh, but nicotine is not something to fool around with casually, or without a complete understanding of what you're doing, BEFORE you buy it and start using it. Get to DIY and read for a couple of days. Then get on YouTube and watch a few videos, when you figure it all out, and practice with a DIY calculator about 100 times, then consider what the buying options are. This is serious. Best to you!

 

[Renolizzie]

Your lack of understanding in this area is actually frightening, and I don't think you should buy anything until you have a better handle on it, let alone 5 liters. First of all, if you buy 12 mg/ml nicotine, 100% VG, you are not going to be able to make any juice higher than about 11 mg/ml in an 10/90 PG/VG mix. That's is not the norm. The norm is probably about a 60/40 or 50/50 mix, probably at 12 mg/ml, or higher (at first certainly). If you did decide to do a 60/40 PG/VG mix with say 10% flavor, the highest your nic level would reach is 4.8 mg/ml as follows:

Nic juice 40% (12 mg/ml nic @ 40% = 4.8 mg/ml)
PG 50%
Flavor 10% (assumes the flavor in PG -the norm)

Even if you did want to vape at 4.8 mg/ml, the cost of nicotine decreases dramatically as you increase the starting strength. I routinely use 100mg/ml nic juice to start in both 100% VG and 100% PG. I can make any possible combination of PG/VG and nic strength. Yes, you have to be careful at 100 mg/ml, but because it's diluted to 10% nicotine (999mg/ml = pure nicotine, more or less), it's not instantly absorbed by the skin. Use gloves and wipe off any nic on the skin immediately. At this strength, you also need eye protection.

Sorry to be harsh, but nicotine is not something to fool around with casually, or without a complete understanding of what you're doing, BEFORE you buy it and start using it. Get to DIY and read for a couple of days. Then get on YouTube and watch a few videos, when you figure it all out, and practice with a DIY calculator about 100 times, then consider what the buying options are. This is serious. Best to you!

I don't want to sound harsh either but I do agree with what you are saying I actually use 60mg since I am not comfortable going higher than that and obviously an ejuice calculator is a must.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

What the ??? It's not working with the link ugh try again "old.e-cig dot com ~ they are updating their site so that may be a reason but it is still accessible.

Awhile ago I emailed them asking for clarification regarding the strength of their nicotine. I received no answer which was the first red flag about this Vendor. The second red flag is the fact ECF has blocked the website.
Find a proven reputable Vendor IMO and as suggested study up in the DIY Section.

 

[Renolizzie]

Awhile ago I emailed them asking for clarification regarding the strength of their nicotine. I received no answer which was the first red flag about this Vendor. The second red flag is the fact ECF has blocked the website.
Find a proven reputable Vendor IMO and as suggested study up in the DIY Section.

I think nic is important for a company to get right so I definitely use a reputable company. I wouldn't want to be getting nic that is not the correct percentage. A test kit would be a MUST for someone not certain of what they are getting but, better yet, use a good company for buying nic.

I hope the poster is considering all the lives he might endanger with his visions of selling e juice and does the responsible action here. Read, read, read in the DIY section and buy from good companies.

 

[EgoLife]

I'll kill em all!! J/k obviously I'm gonna due my research, I have stated that I haven't bought anything yet and I clearly joined the forum for some advice and to get more knowledgable so I appreciate the much intended concern but If I don't feel like I got all this stuff down then even if I buy anything the actual production of liquids won't happen .

I'm going to read in the DIY section as much as I can but I think my question was valid since I have not seen anyone reference a 5liter lol I need to check some more information on the forums but as you educated individuals may post based on experience doesn't mean I'm going to get it right off the bat either.

Again I appreciate the helpful, and concern in your posts they aren't landing on deaf ears. I just hope even if I ask a dumb question people on here would be helpful so I can move forward.

 

[BlueMoods]

Definitely do more research, first for safety, second, if you don't you will waste a lot of supplies and not get anything you can even vape.

Yes I too use 100mg/ml nic but, nicotine is classified as a hazardous material and, even at that strength and, you have to know how to handle it safely and NOT poison yourself. You have to be very accurate with your measurements - one tenth of a ml does matter with that stuff.

Mixing vape juice is NOT cooking, there is a very small margin for error. Then there is steeping, knowing what compliments what, how the PG and VG affect flavor, vapor, throat hit, wicking, how nic affects it all, how to store the supplies safely and w/o degrading them etc...

Learn first, do later and, that includes your supplier, get the materials data sheets and test results for what you plan to buy, if they cannot provide those, don't buy nicotine from them.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I don't want to sound harsh either but I do agree with what you are saying I actually use 60mg since I am not comfortable going higher than that and obviously an ejuice calculator is a must.

Yes, I agree with you too. A beginner in DIY might want to start with nic no higher than say 36 mg/ml, as BlueMoods suggested, and then work up to no more than 60 mg/ml. I certainly would not consider using nic higher than 100 mg/ml outside a lab setting. And, it has taken me gallons of nic juice DIY to get to the 100 mg/ml. Not a starting point for beginners.

For edification, OP, pure nicotine is one of the most toxic substances on Earth, and stronger than arsenic. It will kill every living organism on Earth. At very low percentages, and never higher than about 3%, it is safe, and won't kill you. Above that, nicotine gets progressively dangerous and can only be handled safely in a lab, with very experienced professionals. DO NOT DIY UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING! I only buy my nicotine now from Wizard Labs, and trust their product. I cannot say that about many other places. Most flavorings from TFA. Also, making great juice is harder than you might think. Not only do you need to know starting percentages for flavorings (unless you want to burn through your flavorings), but combination recipes take a long time to learn how to do, a lot of experimenting, etc. I almost gave up on DIY because of this difficulty. I had too much invested though, I stuck with it, and can match most flavorings pretty quick (within a month). Lotsa patience. Lotsa bottles, pipettes, flavors, etc. I have about a dozen favorite recipes now, and make the juice for the family (all vapers). Took months to make a decent vape, though. Much harder than it looks. Learning steeping and mixing techniques, the right flavors, even the right vendors, the right glassware, amber bottles, etc., all takes time. I appreciate your eagerness to get into DIY, just realize this is going to be a long road, requiring a lot of patience. Best to you!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I'll kill em all!! J/k obviously I'm gonna due my research, I have stated that I haven't bought anything yet and I clearly joined the forum for some advice and to get more knowledgable so I appreciate the much intended concern but If I don't feel like I got all this stuff down then even if I buy anything the actual production of liquids won't happen .

I'm going to read in the DIY section as much as I can but I think my question was valid since I have not seen anyone reference a 5liter lol I need to check some more information on the forums but as you educated individuals may post based on experience doesn't mean I'm going to get it right off the bat either.

Again I appreciate the helpful, and concern in your posts they aren't landing on deaf ears. I just hope even if I ask a dumb question people on here would be helpful so I can move forward.

It's all good and we are all here to learn and give advice. Top rated Nic Vendors are:
DIY E-Cig Supplies & E-Cigarette Liquid | Make Your Own E-Liquid | RTS Vapes has wholesale pricing
Wizard Labs

 

[Zipslack]

And don't forget ecigexpress

 

[grandmato5]

Asking questions is always a good thing There is no such thing as a dumb question if its something the person doesn't know and wants to understand.

But when someone new to vaping that has never done any DIY and is having trouble understanding terminology and DIY concepts tells us they plan to sell juice to others we tend to get very concerned

There is a big responsibility in making ones own juice containing nic to stay safe themselves but there is a HUGE responsibility and legal ramifications if they are going to sell juice to others. Mixing up some juice isn't hard, but making good juice takes a lot of time and effort. There are a lot of juice vendors out there, but there is a a huge difference between those that throw some mixes together and those that do a great job of it

Good luck with your research

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

It's all good and we are all here to learn and give advice. Top rated Nic Vendors are:
DIY E-Cig Supplies & E-Cigarette Liquid | Make Your Own E-Liquid | RTS Vapes has wholesale pricing
Wizard Labs

The voice of reason! Welcome back VapoorEyes.

 

[Borescoped]

It's all good and we are all here to learn and give advice. Top rated Nic Vendors are:
DIY E-Cig Supplies & E-Cigarette Liquid | Make Your Own E-Liquid | RTS Vapes has wholesale pricing
Wizard Labs

Yes, welcome back, and thanks for the good info about this stuff! I just PM'd Bill and said I myself need to get smart on this, so I can try my hand at it, and so I'll be paying attention to what ya'll are saying and posting.

There seems to be much good quality advice being given here!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Yes, welcome back, and thanks for the good info about this stuff! I just PM'd Bill and said I myself need to get smart on this, so I can try my hand at it, and so I'll be paying attention to what ya'll are saying and posting.

There seems to be much good quality advice being given here!

Thank you Borescoped and glad to be back but on 2 weeks holidays starting tomorrow
As for Bill I just can't say enuff good things about him...he's not only an invaluable ECF asset but just a good ole down to earth good guy.

 

[Borescoped]

Thank you Borescoped and glad to be back but on 2 weeks holidays starting tomorrow
As for Bill I just can't say enuff good things about him...he's not only an invaluable ECF asset but just a good ole down to earth good guy.

Much truth about Bill!


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[Signal30]

For gosh sakes go to the DIY section and read the stickies. You could get hurt.

12% is 120mg liquid. The word pure should not be used in this situation.

Twelve percent is very high!!!!!!

Again...use gloves, wash this stuff off if you get any on you. Go to the DIY section and read the stickies before opening the bottle.

You are scaring me because you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Dang bro, chillax. Not a good way to introduce yourself to a new member. It's all about good communication.

 

[r77r7r]

If we're talking about Bill Beck, then yeah, I second that also. Great knowledge base w/o a big ego. Not always the case here.

Looks like he's camped out here like Vapoor, lol. Vapoor, I think you can go on vacation and rest easy, lotta good guys/gals here.