510 cart questions

[Chorizo]

I wonder what this depends on? This burning taste, melting carts, etc.

I would love to be able to associate it with complete and utter idiocy on my part, but unfortunately, I don't think I am that big of an idiot. If it were MY error, at least then I'd know how to fix it.

I put in a fresh cartridge today and already notice it melting. I really haven't used my 510 much at all today and this is STILL an issue. I take EXTRA care to only take a few puffs here and there, few seconds, stop, let it sit for a few minutes, pick it up again.

It's nice that most replies I have recieved to my question have been fairly civil and not conveying a know it all kind of attitude.

Any 510 users reading this just take a CLOSE look at a cart you've been using a while and one that's never been used. See if it looks deformed. Even those of you that might think you know it all, because I didn't know this was happening until I compared one with the other. But then, I'm quite a dummy, so of course I wouldn't know that.

Anyway, I don't know if it would help with the melting carts, but maybe dripping exclusively may help a little with the burning taste? I top this thing off so often I might as well be dripping anyway.

 

[mjones]

Hola Chorizo,

I have a cart mod tutorial in the 510 section that shows how to sand the cart down to remedy the burnt edges. I too had this problem when I first broke in my 510 generic atty but it dosen't seem to burn anymore. It seems after it broke in its not as hot anymore and is not burning the cart anymore. My dura attys dont seem to have this problem because the metal bridges are a bit different.

I also have another post where I took the fiberglass "hair" wick and pulled it out and did away with it. So far this atty is 28 days old and has been 4 days with no fiberglass wick in it. You will lose some performance by doing this, but as a last resort might be a quick fix. I did notice that after removing the fiberglass wick the burnt taste went away soon after. I do recommend that you change your filler out daily if you use polly because it gets matted and compressed and you lose a ton of flavor and have to top off more. I restuff my carts about every 12 hours and every 8 hours if it has super heavy use.

 

[Chorizo]

Thanks mjones! I actually tried to sand it down today, but that didn't go very well. I should probably watch the video.

Tearing the wick out is interesting to me, I wonder if it allows it to burn at a higher temperature?

I hope I've broken in this atty, I've had it for a week and a few days!

I just WANT IT TO STOP!!!! I love this model, I would like to keep it!

So great suggestions, thanks so much, I will certainly watch that video and try sanding it down, I don't know if I'm brave enough to mess with the actual atty and tear out that material! I do have spares though. . .

 

[KreeL]

I'm not over-filling the cart. The cart is appropriately positioned. I am not getting the atomizer way beyond normal temperatures. I'm not a dummy and this isn't my first e-cig. I'm not the most experienced user, but I do have some idea what I'm doing. I've gotten better flavor using my 510 by using Fluval...I had to experiment a bit with the tightness with which I packed it so that it still had a good draw. Anyways...the burned taste/melting carts is still an issue as is leaking.

Perhaps it/I will get better at it...but I'm having to deal with it a lot more on this model than any of my others -- and as much as you are quick to point it out as user error, KreeL, that doesn't change the fact that if the product was designed better none of this initial hassle would be required. A good e-cig produces good vapor and taste with minimal effort. That is something the 510 cannot boast to.

None of my other models leak no matter how much I overfill the cart...they might spit juice into my mouth (until I get used to that model's carts) but never leak. I also haven't had to figure out how to get it to stop leaking by trying different filling/liquid levels (because the others have never leaked). Obviously there is a way to seal something inside the atomizer to prevent this from occurring -- I didn't mean a complete seal with no holes to allow air flow at all.

I'm not saying this isn't a good unit. It has excellent throat hit and produces really decent amounts of vapor for it's size. It does have it's faults though, and I have to be objective when I comment about it.

If you are stuffing your own carts with fluval, then you haven't mastered it yet. With proper practice the juice will stay in the cart and not run past the atomizer and out the air holes - unless you are flooding the atomizer by overfilling or poor stuffing practices.

The 510 is an advanced unit. It gives maximum vapor and throat hit just as designed if treated and used properly. I already told you what causes the problems you are experiencing, and all you want to do is blame the unit.

I can sit here right now and duplicate your miseries with my 510 that otherwise performs flawlessly. I don't have to be a mindreader to know what you are doing incorrectly.

My advice is to work on your cart stuffing skills. Flooding the atomizer also leads to your other 'poor performance' problems. You must press the button longer to achieve the desired results because you are overworking the atomizer to burn up the excess juice. This creates higher temperatures and could also cause cart damage as expressed by another poster. This will also diminish the life of your atomizer and use your batteries up much quicker.

You are correct now in assuming that the 510 has a different learning curve. No argument there.

 

[enrogae]

It's not that I'm "blaming" the unit, just that if it was designed better it wouldn't require so much effort to get to work as intended. It's kind of like the first cars...they were a ..... to keep running properly without an issues. Now, a 99 year old grandma could keep a car running just fine. This is because it has been produced/designed better.

This is a new technology, but when people can come up with mods in their basements or whatever you'd think a well-funded company could do so better. That's all...I'm disapointed that the device NEEDS to have such a learning curve. I am getting better at the stuffing, but it still has a fault or two. There is no such thing as a flawless e-cig.

 

[Dot Cotton]

I would suggest removing the fluff and cutting the week plastic away with a craft knife so you have the slight lip left to connect the cart to your atty, then just use for dripping. I noticed a burning mark on my cart, did this and now I won’t go back! Try putting a lighter to one of these carts, It doesn’t take much!

 

[bonniegirl]

I have had my yenti for 2 months- no leaks, no burning, no plastic smell or taste. Did I luck out or am I the outlier of this poll? I never overfill the cart material, I never overfill with juice, I always keep the bridge of my atty moist, I am a very heavy vaper and I still have had none of these problems. Did you initially charge the batteries by the book? I have noticed less vapor before the battery is dead but is low- that is my only problem. I love my yenti and wish you did too. Contact your seller and get a new kit and see if you got a bad kit? I am still on the same attys and batteries! This thread confuses me
Bonnie

 

[bonniegirl]

I wonder what this depends on? This burning taste, melting carts, etc.

I would love to be able to associate it with complete and utter idiocy on my part, but unfortunately, I don't think I am that big of an idiot. If it were MY error, at least then I'd know how to fix it.

I put in a fresh cartridge today and already notice it melting. I really haven't used my 510 much at all today and this is STILL an issue. I take EXTRA care to only take a few puffs here and there, few seconds, stop, let it sit for a few minutes, pick it up again.

It's nice that most replies I have recieved to my question have been fairly civil and not conveying a know it all kind of attitude.

Any 510 users reading this just take a CLOSE look at a cart you've been using a while and one that's never been used. See if it looks deformed. Even those of you that might think you know it all, because I didn't know this was happening until I compared one with the other. But then, I'm quite a dummy, so of course I wouldn't know that.

Anyway, I don't know if it would help with the melting carts, but maybe dripping exclusively may help a little with the burning taste? I top this thing off so often I might as well be dripping anyway.

I have looked at all my carts- no disformed or burned edges, no warping, no changes?

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

When I got mine, I did carefully align the bridge on my all of my atomizers. they were a little wonky.

I tried looking to set the cartridge in to go over the bridge, but I'm so damn farsighted these days, I can't see down there unless I have glasses on. grrr so most of the time, I don't bother. I don't have any sign of cart melting at all. I put a drop of liquid on the bridge each time I top off the cartridge. I also over draw a little after I take my finger off the button to help cool the atomizer. No over heating, no leaking at all. Lucky? me!!

 

[Robert]

My 510 is on the way and if someone has a picture of exactly how I need to allign the carts maybe they could post it. I don't want to start off by putting it in wrong or anything.

Also, I've read the atty may have something on it when it first arrives? Some say they had a bad taste then it went away? Should I wash the unit first somehow?

Why are these carts made of plastic? If they are re-fillable then shouldn't someone make a metal one? Used .38 caliber shell? Modders?

Thanks Robert

 

[bonniegirl]

I never have "aligned" a 510 cart in my life. as for the aftertaste, a couple of hits not inhaled should do the trick. Burned carts? Never in my 60 days owning one, same carts, sixty days old, same size, same everything. The rest of this thread is confusing!!!! I am afraid it will turn new users away from this great PV. You will love your 510!
Bonnie

 

[wegster]

My 510 is on the way and if someone has a picture of exactly how I need to allign the carts maybe they could post it. I don't want to start off by putting it in wrong or anything.

Also, I've read the atty may have something on it when it first arrives? Some say they had a bad taste then it went away? Should I wash the unit first somehow?

Why are these carts made of plastic? If they are re-fillable then shouldn't someone make a metal one? Used .38 caliber shell? Modders?

Thanks Robert

Metal really isn't confortable in the mouth. On the metal disposables once their outer paper is gone (on 2 piece units), I find myself slipping something like a cart condom over the end to avoid the metal in mouth.

Once the unit's in your hand, 'alignment' should be obvious. Think of a rectangle inside the mouthpiece, which is the inner cart with stuffing. Now look at the atty wick. Make the cart 'wrap' the wick. Done.

You can clean the atty's before use, but you may also kill one if you don't know what you're doing, or think it's dead...most just puff through the primer..haven't found the 510 atty primer to be terribly long lasting or nastier than others, myself.

 

[wegster]

I never have "aligned" a 510 cart in my life. as for the aftertaste, a couple of hits not inhaled should do the trick. Burned carts? Never in my 60 days owning one, same carts, sixty days old, same size, same everything. The rest of this thread is confusing!!!! I am afraid it will turn new users away from this great PV. You will love your 510!
Bonnie

Yet people *not* reporting on issues is just a fantasy-land, then when new users see some of the few issues the 510 may have, they're ...... no one's said anything about them.

*shrug* I've had nearly zero issues with my 510s, no cart burning/melting, no random leaking, nada. However, 'cart aligning' takes a half second, do it or don't, I personally do.

 

[enrogae]

I'm not ....... I'm just not a fanboy. I think it has definitive beneficial qualities... I love the vapor production and throat hit. I just see flaws with it as well.

It is also relevant to point out that there is more than one manufacturer making this model. Some may make it better/worse than others. The differences between individual experiences may simply be a matter of which manufacturer made theirs.

I am going to be objective and logical about this, however. Just because some people have had no issues doesn't automatically mean that everyone else is doing something wrong. Just because a few people have had issues doesn't mean that every unit is the same and will produce the same issues, either. Coming at this from any other mindset is, frankly, naive (and possibly sometimes rather arrogant).

Update: I've also begun to realize, after paying close attention to the leakage for several days, that it is 90% of the time not leaking around the atomizer. It's actually leaking from where the cart meets the atomizer casing. Between that and the cart melting problem, I'm starting to think that the carts that came with it are just cheapo's. At least that's a relatively easy/cheap fix.

 

[Chorizo]

It shouldn't turn anyone away from the 510. I'm not saying all of them have this issue, obviously they don't.

I also don't think there's anything wrong with warning people of potential probelms they may face because absolutely NOTHING is 100% great anyway, and like someone else pointed it, this is a new and faulty technology. It could be a GREAT thing, but just isn't there yet.

In reference to my OP-
I noticed in the atty that there was some of the nylon wick hanging out the side of the brigde. So I swapped atty's wondering if this was the problem. I've been using the new atty for a day now and haven't had the burning taste yet.

Again, people should know the facts. It shouldn't be a bad thing to report negative issues associated with e-cigs, some people would rather pretend there are no such issues, but there are.

Anyway, I love my yeti, it IS a great PV. Hopefully it doesn't melt anymore of my carts!

 

[a2dcovert]

Again, people should know the facts. It shouldn't be a bad thing to report negative issues associated with e-cigs, some people would rather pretend there are no such issues, but there are.

I agree with that, The main reason I seek out active user forums is to learn. I have learned a lot from participating is discussions here on this forum. People should list problems they are having and see if it is a know issue that can be easily corrected. You can also get informative reviews and make purchase decissions based on info you gleen from this forum, I did and I bought my 1st 510 based on the info I read here. You have to run all this info through a filter and determine which info is productive and which is nonsense.

That being said, I know it is impossible to build a "Perfect" product of any kind. Each of the e-cig models have pro's and con's. Each either have work-arounds for these con's or they don't.

Here are some 510 tips I have concluded from my usage and reading. You can overfill a cart and make it leak into the air holes of the battery to atty connection. You also can make them leak by following the Widows instruction to blow into the cart to prime the atty, never blow into the cart. The air passage in the bottom of the atty is there by design. Without it you would not be able to draw air into the atty.

If you put the cart on without lining it up with the mesh wick and you draw until the atty gets red hot, the cart will melt and you will get a burnt plastic taste. If you get the atty hot enough you can melt the cart no matter how you align it.

Knowing these pitfalls will help you enjoy your 510 much better. It is what it is, if these minor problems bother you don't choose the 510.

Kevin
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[enrogae]

Well put a2d... thanks.

 

[need_2quit]

the only time i get seepage between cart and atty is when the filler is worn out. you'll notice with a new factory cart, the filler is to the top and nicely juiced up = snug.

as the filler breaks down it recedes into the cart = not so snug.

$2.67 bag of poly fiber from walmart if you're in the USA and you'll be back in business.

a lot of times there is little flavor because we don't let the thing rest at all. let the juice permeate the bridge for a bit and the flavor is back.

 

[a2dcovert]

I guess I should have said that the carts that can be overfilled are the ones with the straw mod. I never have that problem with the non-mod carts.

Kevin

 

[Taylor]

I definitely have some melted carts. I think to remedy this I will try to avoid topping off. I can fit almost 20 drops in a cart if I just restuff, and only 2 or 3 if I top off. I pulled the wool out of a cart that I topped off all day and it was dry on top and soaked on the bottom. In the middle it was too compacted (I believe from constantly pushing it into the atty) to allow any juice to flow. Hopefully 5 or 6 restuffed carts will last me all day.