5th time is the charm i really wanna kick the analogs

[smoothcannibal]

I hate how every couple years I post about I'm going to get off the analogs and end up back on them but I'm sure I'm not the only one. I have questions before i order some new stuff. I've lost some things I had in the move I made. I started smoking when I was around 10 or so and now being almost 35 , I've noticed it's affecting me. I've had 2 solid 8/10 women who after a couple weeks leave because of the cigs. It's time to give them up.

First up is juice. I get heartburn pretty bad and a lot of the non tobacco flavors make it worse. I like them once in a while (I'm not real big on a lot of the flavors) but the tobacco ones don't suck as much for me to vape on the daily. The chinese stuff (like dekang or similar) actually works the best with me. Having trouble finding 50ml+ bottles of tobacco flavors in the US on the cheap.

Second might be sort of a dumb. I do like dripping but when I'm on the go or not just sitting and relaxing I like a tank. I'm looking at the rebuildable ones but they all say sub ohm. Do i have to use them at less than 1 ohm? Around 1.8 ohms is what I seem to like. Are the RTDA able to vape the tank part dry and still drip if I want to? Sounds like the best of both worlds.

Third is probably the most important as to why I can vape and be mostly happy but it's not 100 percent satisfying. I apologize if this makes anyone wanna light up. If i'm smoking and deep in thought or whatever, I can take a drag, inhale fairly deeply, hold it for a hot second, exhale slowly. feeling and seeing the smoke leaving my lungs. That's the dragon I'm chasing. Is there a better way to replicate that? The exhale is what does it for me. Sucking on the pv forever doesn't make the outcome worthwhile. I just feel like I'm exhaling in a hot shower. Too watery if that makes sense.

The fourth is roped in the second and third. I'm a mechanical mod type person because they're simple. Smoking analogs is very simple. I'm wondering if I need to ditch the mechanical and get something I can try and tailor more to me? i want to have the option of replacing the battery. About 40 bucks for the just the unit not including the attys. I have a few 18650 trust fire batts so i'd like to keep using those. Like phones now where you can't replace the batt. Batt will wear out before the phone does.

 

[Asbestos4004]

It doesn't matter what device you're using...as long as you're romancing cigarettes to the point it sounds like a Harlequin novel, your chances of quitting are slim.
If you want to quit, stop telling yourself how great cigarettes are. Welcome back and good luck.

 

[Letitia]

Welcome back.
You can pick up a Smoant Battlestar or Charon tc for 40.00 or less. I would recommend you choose a cloudier tank. You won't get the experience you're chasing with mtl vaping imo.

 

[stols001]

I can't answer all your questions, but they do make MTL specific RTAs, usually with more restricted airflow and often chamber type that are designed for higher ohm coils. The Vandy Vape berserker comes to mind, any of the Kayfuns (though reports are good on the prime) the Siren V2 or the Innoken Ares are all designed for MTL and there are many others.

I don't know that the perfect equipment "for you" is going to solve all your vaping/smoking problems, but it would be a decent start. As far as juice I can't help you.

You sound like the type of person who should empty your daily smoking allotment into a bag with a few drops of water, and begin sniffing it every time you "romance" cigarettes, and yes this suggestion is serious.

Anna

 

[Topwater Elvis]

First & foremost, the trustfire batteries have no place in vaping, very low quality, exaggerated amp & mah claims, horrendous voltage sag under load, many are protected cells of the wrong chemistry for vaping use.
So if you were using them in a mech even with a 1.8 resistance you never once got a 'full power' hit / a vape
representative of what could be.

I fully believe a regulated power device makes all the difference, ability to adjust power output depending on dozens of variables, heat, flavors, resistance, mood or whim to name a few.

Hard to give power or delivery device reccomendations because everything about vaping is a matter of personal preferences. Sounds as if your preference is cigarettes.

For some folks kicking the smokes is not at all easy, it takes a huge amount of willpower & a real desire to quit.
I dual used for 11 months prior to joining this forum, I would've never quit smoking unless I forced myself to.
So I picked a date & said to myself from this day forward no more.
The first 3 months was at times a living hell & that was with excellent equipment & eliquids I enjoyed.
For some folks leaving the smokes behind is a major chore.

My last cigarette was 12 / 24 2012 at 11:55 pm.
I still miss them frequently, every day without is a win.

 

[CagedSpam]

Sounds like you could benefit from finding a good vape shop nearby. Spend some quality time and try a few devices if they still let you.

Higher Nic and higher PG will give you some good throat hit similar to a cig IMO.

GL!

 

[CMD-Ky]

I was a long long time completely quitting cigarettes, perhaps three years. The last six months of using both, I had two cigarettes in the morning. One day about four years ago, I realized that I had not smoked in several days and haven't since. Churchill: Never, never, never, never give up.

 

[vapdivrr]

I know you mentioned rebuildables and for that I would recommend the kayfun mini v3 or the prime. For perhaps a drop in coil tank, the nautilus 2 . My brother is very happy so far with the nautilus 2 and was a heavy smoker for many years....I would definitely go with a regulated mod and love the aspire nx75, jac vapour dna 75b , or the ever popular eleaf pico

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[smacuser]

I hear a lot of folks have heartburn symptoms with high VG.

 

[Belhade]

First up is juice. I get heartburn pretty bad and a lot of the non tobacco flavors make it worse. I like them once in a while (I'm not real big on a lot of the flavors) but the tobacco ones don't suck as much for me to vape on the daily. The chinese stuff (like dekang or similar) actually works the best with me. Having trouble finding 50ml+ bottles of tobacco flavors in the US on the cheap.

Second might be sort of a dumb. I do like dripping but when I'm on the go or not just sitting and relaxing I like a tank. I'm looking at the rebuildable ones but they all say sub ohm. Do i have to use them at less than 1 ohm? Around 1.8 ohms is what I seem to like. Are the RTDA able to vape the tank part dry and still drip if I want to? Sounds like the best of both worlds.

Third is probably the most important as to why I can vape and be mostly happy but it's not 100 percent satisfying. I apologize if this makes anyone wanna light up. If i'm smoking and deep in thought or whatever, I can take a drag, inhale fairly deeply, hold it for a hot second, exhale slowly. feeling and seeing the smoke leaving my lungs. That's the dragon I'm chasing. Is there a better way to replicate that? The exhale is what does it for me. Sucking on the pv forever doesn't make the outcome worthwhile. I just feel like I'm exhaling in a hot shower. Too watery if that makes sense.

The fourth is roped in the second and third. I'm a mechanical mod type person because they're simple. Smoking analogs is very simple. I'm wondering if I need to ditch the mechanical and get something I can try and tailor more to me? i want to have the option of replacing the battery. About 40 bucks for the just the unit not including the attys. I have a few 18650 trust fire batts so i'd like to keep using those. Like phones now where you can't replace the batt. Batt will wear out before the phone does.

So, the dragon you're chasing sounds similar to the one I've caught. Thick clouds are a prime concern of mine. Not necessarily room-filling fog machines, but some texture on the exhale. You might have to go direct lung, sub-ohm, a single coil at .5 does me just fine. I also mix my own juice, mostly unflavored, with high VG (70% or so) and just enough nic for the throat hit - you might want to start at 6mg.

 

[Letitia]

So, the dragon you're chasing sounds similar to the one I've caught. Thick clouds are a prime concern of mine. Not necessarily room-filling fog machines, but some texture on the exhale. You might have to go direct lung, sub-ohm, a single coil at .5 does me just fine. I also mix my own juice, mostly unflavored, with high VG (70% or so) and just enough nic for the throat hit - you might want to start at 6mg.

Wish someone had told me that when I was so frustrated with mtl when starting out. Know starting with dtl is not for everyone, but for some of us it is what works.

 

[Baditude]

First & foremost, the trustfire batteries have no place in vaping, very low quality, exaggerated amp & mah claims, horrendous voltage sag under load, many are protected cells of the wrong chemistry for vaping use.
So if you were using them in a mech even with a 1.8 resistance you never once got a 'full power' hit / a vape
representative of what could be.

First and foremost, THIS! Back in the day Trustfire batteries were all we had to choose from. Battery technology has exploded (excuse the pun) since then. Trustfire batteries have always been bad for all the reasons that Topwater Elvis said. ICR batteries are no longer recommended for vaping devices. Throw those Trustfires away. Please educate yourself on what batteries to use.

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries Part 1
Battery Basics for Mods: The Definative Battery Guide for Vaping​

First up is juice. I get heartburn pretty bad and a lot of the non tobacco flavors make it worse. I like them once in a while (I'm not real big on a lot of the flavors) but the tobacco ones don't suck as much for me to vape on the daily. The chinese stuff (like dekang or similar) actually works the best with me. Having trouble finding 50ml+ bottles of tobacco flavors in the US on the cheap..

IMHO, finding a flavor that you don't mind using every day is probably the toughest endeavor on anyone's vaping journey. I personally never liked tobacco flavored e-liquid, so I can't really help you with this one. If there is a vape shop that allows flavor testing, it might be worth a day's trip to try a lot of different flavors before buying.

Second might be sort of a dumb. I do like dripping but when I'm on the go or not just sitting and relaxing I like a tank. I'm looking at the rebuildable ones but they all say sub ohm. Do i have to use them at less than 1 ohm? Around 1.8 ohms is what I seem to like. Are the RTDA able to vape the tank part dry and still drip if I want to? Sounds like the best of both worlds.

I don't think there is a tank of any kind that allows you to drip after it has run dry. You may want to look into a Bottom Feeder mod. Also known as a "squonker". You sorta drip "upside down".

These are box mods (either mechanical or regulated) which contain a refillable juice bottle inside the mod. The body has a window that exposes the bottle that allows you to manually press to feed your e-liquid into the drip atomizer. You vape until the atomizer needs more juice and then "squonk" more juice into it. These devices use special rebuildable drip atomizers which can connect to the juice feeding system.

This is about the closest you'll find of having a "tank" that you can drip.

Third is probably the most important as to why I can vape and be mostly happy but it's not 100 percent satisfying. If i'm smoking and deep in thought or whatever, I can take a drag, inhale fairly deeply, hold it for a hot second, exhale slowly. feeling and seeing the smoke leaving my lungs. That's the dragon I'm chasing. Is there a better way to replicate that? The exhale is what does it for me. Sucking on the pv forever doesn't make the outcome worthwhile.

Sounds like you are more of a deep-lung (DL) inhaler and not a mouth-to-lung (MTL) inhaler. Most tanks are designed to be one or the other, but a few can be adjusted to do both with an air control ring or by changing the drip tip (mouthpiece) to either a small bore or large bore.

I am more of a DL inhaler, but occassionally I like to MTL. I use an original Uwell Crown clearomizer tank.
Authentic Uwell Crown Sub Ohm Tank Clearomizer . Technically it is a sub-ohm tank, but you don't have to sub-ohm with it. It has 1.2 ohm coils available for it . It is an easy top fill (4ml capacity). It has a ratcheted air control ring which allows wide open direct lung draws down to a tight mouth-to-lung draw. It has a wide bore mouthpiece, but you can always replace it with any inexpensive small bore mouthpiece if you desire. Great flavor, a lot of vapor.

I think it is the most versatile tank on the market.

The fourth is roped in the second and third. I'm a mechanical mod type person because they're simple. Smoking analogs is very simple. I'm wondering if I need to ditch the mechanical and get something I can try and tailor more to me? i want to have the option of replacing the battery. About 40 bucks for the just the unit not including the attys. I have a few 18650 trust fire batts so i'd like to keep using those. .

Mechs are not all that simple. You can't adjust the vape easily on a mech. As the battery drains, the vape is going to drop off.

There are far more advantages to using a regulated mod over a mechanical. First, you can adjust your vapor on the fly. Lower wattage earlier in the day, higher wattage later in the day if you so desire. Regulated mods have a chipset which keeps your vape the same from the beginning of the battery until it needs to be changed. And lastly, regulated mods have safety circuitry to prevent over-discharge of the battery and protect against short circuits. You can turn the mod off when you carry it in your pocket, a very important safety practice.

A Beginner's Guide to Your First Mechanical Mod
Advancing Up the Vaping Ladder​

It doesn't matter what device you're using...as long as you're romancing cigarettes to the point it sounds like a Harlequin novel, your chances of quitting are slim.
If you want to quit, stop telling yourself how great cigarettes are.

Agree. Being tobacco-free for almost 7 years now, I can smell a smoker from about three feet away. Their clothes stink, their hair stinks, THEY STINK. You can't cover it up with cologne or perfume.

You won't get the experience you're chasing with mtl vaping imo.

Agree.

You sound like the type of person who should empty your daily smoking allotment into a bag with a few drops of water, and begin sniffing it every time you "romance" cigarettes, and yes this suggestion is serious.

I had a friend who quit smoking using this. She put the contents of an ashtry into a baby food jar along with some water. Every time she desired a cigarette, she opened the jar and took a couple of good whiffs.

I fully believe a regulated power device makes all the difference, ability to adjust power output depending on dozens of variables, heat, flavors, resistance, mood or whim to name a few.

Hard to give power or delivery device reccomendations because everything about vaping is a matter of personal preferences. Sounds as if your preference is cigarettes.

Agree.

Sounds like you could benefit from finding a good vape shop nearby. Spend some quality time and try a few devices if they still let you. Higher Nic and higher PG will give you some good throat hit similar to a cig IMO.

Agree.

You might have to go direct lung, sub-ohm, a single coil at .5 does me just fine.

Agree.

Sorry for the long post but you did ask a lot of important questions. You have been given excellent information and a lot of choices to consider. Good luck.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Most RTA''s can be dripped. Prometey's, Squapes and Taifuns drip nicely. I drip them more often than I fill them since it's just easier at my desk. Instead of replicating the tobacco experience, try flavors. Or flavored tobacco. Juice Mafia makes some great tobaccos including a Tropical Tobacco with coconut and coco. All of Baditudes points on mech mods are true but I am a mech user. I actually enjoy the power curve a mech. It's more like smoking whether it be a cigarette or a pipe. Neither tastes the same at the beginning of a smoke as it does at the end. Smoke flavors come out subtly at different levels of battery power but you forsake the automatic safeties a regulated mod has.

 

[smoothcannibal]

It doesn't matter what device you're using...as long as you're romancing cigarettes to the point it sounds like a Harlequin novel, your chances of quitting are slim.
If you want to quit, stop telling yourself how great cigarettes are. Welcome back and good luck.

I'm not trying to romanticize cigs as much as i'm trying to explain what i don't get from vaping that i get from smoking. if i get closer to that then i have a better chance of cutting out smoking for good finally. Doesn't sound like I'm doing anything real wrong. More willpower and commitment is what's in order.

 

[smoothcannibal]

Welcome back.
You can pick up a Smoant Battlestar or Charon tc for 40.00 or less. I would recommend you choose a cloudier tank. You won't get the experience you're chasing with mtl vaping imo.

I will have a look at those. One I have been having my eye on is the morph. Seems alright.

 

[smoothcannibal]

I can't answer all your questions, but they do make MTL specific RTAs, usually with more restricted airflow and often chamber type that are designed for higher ohm coils. The Vandy Vape berserker comes to mind, any of the Kayfuns (though reports are good on the prime) the Siren V2 or the Innoken Ares are all designed for MTL and there are many others.

I don't know that the perfect equipment "for you" is going to solve all your vaping/smoking problems, but it would be a decent start. As far as juice I can't help you.

You sound like the type of person who should empty your daily smoking allotment into a bag with a few drops of water, and begin sniffing it every time you "romance" cigarettes, and yes this suggestion is serious.

Anna

Yeah what I have looked at all have adjustable air flow. I've never liked too "airy" of a draw.

Yeah i will look into dropping butts in water and smelling them. My whole fam smokes so I'll never get completely away from the smell of smokers anyways.

 

[smoothcannibal]

First & foremost, the trustfire batteries have no place in vaping, very low quality, exaggerated amp & mah claims, horrendous voltage sag under load, many are protected cells of the wrong chemistry for vaping use.
So if you were using them in a mech even with a 1.8 resistance you never once got a 'full power' hit / a vape
representative of what could be.

I fully believe a regulated power device makes all the difference, ability to adjust power output depending on dozens of variables, heat, flavors, resistance, mood or whim to name a few.

Hard to give power or delivery device reccomendations because everything about vaping is a matter of personal preferences. Sounds as if your preference is cigarettes.

For some folks kicking the smokes is not at all easy, it takes a huge amount of willpower & a real desire to quit.
I dual used for 11 months prior to joining this forum, I would've never quit smoking unless I forced myself to.
So I picked a date & said to myself from this day forward no more.
The first 3 months was at times a living hell & that was with excellent equipment & eliquids I enjoyed.
For some folks leaving the smokes behind is a major chore.

My last cigarette was 12 / 24 2012 at 11:55 pm.
I still miss them frequently, every day without is a win.

I didn't know trustfires weren't good to use anymore. It's just what everyone used at the time years ago. I'll look into a better chemistry.

Yes for me personally kicking out the analogs is a horrible thing for me. Way too easy for me to go back to them. I think I can actually do it this time. Or at least cut out 90 percent of them for the time being.

 

[smoothcannibal]

I know you mentioned rebuildables and for that I would recommend the kayfun mini v3 or the prime. For perhaps a drop in coil tank, the nautilus 2 . My brother is very happy so far with the nautilus 2 and was a heavy smoker for many years....I would definitely go with a regulated mod and love the aspire nx75, jac vapour dna 75b , or the ever popular eleaf pico

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I do know of the nautilus. I will have a look at it. I've never heard of those other devices. Since I last looked, there's a lot that has popped up and changed again. So once more back to scouring for reviews and what's good and what's not worth the money.

 

[vapdivrr]

I do know of the nautilus. I will have a look at it. I

The nautilus is the most successful, popular mtl, drop in coil tank , in the past few years....the coils they use are regarded as some of the best around for mtl . The nautilus 2 is fairly new and gives you top fill and more airflow options and an option for sub ohm if you like

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[smoothcannibal]

Sounds like you could benefit from finding a good vape shop nearby. Spend some quality time and try a few devices if they still let you.

Higher Nic and higher PG will give you some good throat hit similar to a cig IMO.

GL!

I've been into a couple and they weren't real helpful. They were pretty much kids who were hipster cloud chasers interested in geeking out with me rather than helping. I know if i go to lower ohm coil, i'll have to go lower on the nic. i vape on 18-24 mg usually.