6 Misleading Pro-Vaping Arguments We Should Stop Using

[Robert Cromwell]

At my age I do not worry about the long term effects of vaping.
I know I am healthier now than when I smoked. Good enuf fer me.
Bring on those tasty diketones.
Vapin V1 van custard now.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Not had a cold since I started vapin. People all around at work and the grandkids and wife all had colds but not me. Had a couple a year when I smoked.
And I work with the snifflin coughing public.

 

[pizza2me]

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read here and there have been a lot! I'm not reading the article yet or all the comments. (Scanned a few)

We most absolutely can say, "that vaping is healthier than smoking"! All the "no long term studies" and nit picking on ingredients (both for us and against us) aside. Only an idiot or a liar could not KNOW that vaping is healthier than smoking!

And, no, I didn't say healthy! But healthier than smoking? There is no debate

 

[MyMagicMist]

80 to 90% of what we inhale is PG or VG from the blend, the nic base and flavor base. There are long term studies on inhalation of both substances from factory workers with no harm involved. (a minor segment of the population has PG allergy which in most cases can be solved by vaping only VG based contents).

Nicotine, while mildly addictive has no long term effects - yes it is a vasoconstrictor, but so are many substances and some vasodilators can be a danger to some medical conditions. In fact nicotine has many benefits - relaxed focus, enhanced memory, anti-Alzheimer's, anti-Parkinson's, anti-dementia, anti-inflammatory.

Some flavoring may be questionable but even then the substances are in trace amounts vs. cigarettes and even inner city air! The 'we don't know what the long term holds' is a specious argument and should be attacked in every instance it is used, whether by ANTZ or by those attempting to sound "reasonable" (or politically correct) within our community.

And we can absolutely say that vaping is healthier than smoking and it may be healthier than not vaping for certain individuals who have genes or have signs of the diseases listed above.

Good argument for someone who is predisposed for Alzheimer's, dementia, has some nerve issues & arthritis. Let me sign up for this vaping treatment with nicotine post haste. Oh wait, I already vape. Whew, lucky I can now remember things like that.

 

[rokyo87]

We most absolutely can say, "that vaping is healthier than smoking"! All the "no long term studies" and nit picking on ingredients (both for us and against us) aside. Only an idiot or a liar could not KNOW that vaping is healthier than smoking!

Yeah, true. But then comes a smoker towards us (happen to me) and say us: "What if some new mechanism in body occurs through time because of vaping which will cause a death of a vaper?". And here i don't have an answer and a smoker is happy because he feels more safe with tobacco cigarette than me with PV. And with that a statement: "We don't have long-term studies on vaping!" makes sence, especially for dedicated passionate smoker.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Yeah, true. But then comes a smoker towards us (happen to me) and say us: "What if some new mechanism in body occurs through time because of vaping which will cause a death of a vaper?". And here i don't have an answer and a smoker is happy because he feels more safe with tobacco cigarette than me with PV. And with that a statement: "We don't have long-term studies on vaping!" makes sence, especially for dedicated passionate smoker.

It's bull dung though. Either side feeling more secure, or superior. Either for, or lacking evidence, it doesn't matter which way or side. None have a right to feel more superior. None are more superior. None are more inferior either.

Smile & reply, "I'm doing what I find right for myself after thinking and considering various sources. You're fee to do likewise. Excuse me." There does not need to be conflict. There does not need to be drama. What will be, will be. We can individually only control ourselves and our choices.

Ask yourself if you like someone shoving an idea down your throat. If you don't, then don't presume someone else will appreciate you shoving an idea down their throat. Judge not, be not judged.

 

[skoony]

Yeah, true. But then comes a smoker towards us (happen to me) and say us: "What if some new mechanism in body occurs through time because of vaping which will cause a death of a vaper?". And here i don't have an answer and a smoker is happy because he feels more safe with tobacco cigarette than me with PV. And with that a statement: "We don't have long-term studies on vaping!" makes sence, especially for dedicated passionate smoker.

My personal feelings concerning long term studies is that someone had better
find something harmful about e-cigarettes other than the usual sensitivity or
allergic reaction issues (abuse and misuse do not count) pretty darn quick.
Without any indication so far that anything about e-cigarettes are causing
any quantifiable lasting or cumulative harm long term studies simply will not
be done. No one will pay for them unless there is reliable indications that they
would be necessary.

Regards
Mike

 

[zoiDman]

My personal feelings concerning long term studies is that someone had better
find something harmful about e-cigarettes other than the usual sensitivity or
allergic reaction issues (abuse and misuse do not count) pretty darn quick.
...

Isn't a Long Term Study with Quick Results an Oxymoron?

 

[Lessifer]

Yeah, true. But then comes a smoker towards us (happen to me) and say us: "What if some new mechanism in body occurs through time because of vaping which will cause a death of a vaper?". And here i don't have an answer and a smoker is happy because he feels more safe with tobacco cigarette than me with PV. And with that a statement: "We don't have long-term studies on vaping!" makes sence, especially for dedicated passionate smoker.

When this happens to me, I say it's possible that modern science hasn't found every potential cause of harm to look for. However, we know smoking is harmful, and so far there is nothing in vapor products to even suggest a similar level of harm. I choose to do what has noticeably improved my health over smoking. You, of course, are free to make your own choices.

 

[DC2]

So I now tried it using a turkey baster (and also a 10ml syringe) to push air through a mini protank air hole (covering the other two holes) to avoid any moisture coming from me. Similar results.

Okay, it's awesome that you did that.
Brings me back to the old days where we were all doing weird things in the name of science.

You would have loved it back then.
Oh, the fun we had.

 

[DC2]

Ask yourself if you like someone shoving an idea down your throat. If you don't, then don't presume someone else will appreciate you shoving an idea down their throat. Judge not, be not judged.

But you are responding to a post where the person is talking about being approached...
In other words, someone was trying to shove their ideas down HIS throat...

I'm hip to the concept of taking the high road, and sometimes I even do so.
But mostly, no, I do not take the high roads.

High roads help to reinforce ignorance.
And that should never be considered a worthy goal or outcome.

I like dirt roads.

 

[nicnik]

Yeah, true. But then comes a smoker towards us (happen to me) and say us: "What if some new mechanism in body occurs through time because of vaping which will cause a death of a vaper?". And here i don't have an answer and a smoker is happy because he feels more safe with tobacco cigarette than me with PV. And with that a statement: "We don't have long-term studies on vaping!" makes sence, especially for dedicated passionate smoker.

Infuriatingly sad.

 

[rokyo87]

When this happens to me, I say it's possible that modern science hasn't found every potential cause of harm to look for. However, we know smoking is harmful, and so far there is nothing in vapor products to even suggest a similar level of harm. I choose to do what has noticeably improved my health over smoking. You, of course, are free to make your own choices.

You are right @Lessifer... I am thinking and thinking and thinking about harmful effects of vapor... But can't find one... We are inhaling mist every day which is basically the same as vapour from PV right? We are inhaling vapour under the shower every day with all the chemicals from shampoos right? We are inhaling vapour from cooking every day right? People inhale vapour in saunas right? VG, PG, NIC, ethanol and DW are safe for inhaling. Flavors...hm flavors. Maybe some concerns. But I am careful with that. I am using up to 2% of flavors or I am vaping unflavored e-liquid. Is vapour maybe harmful just when it comes from PV? What are the chances? Is in vapour from PV's some very harmful chemical which is unknown for modern science just yet and will cause a massive amount of vaper deaths in the future? I doubt. Are in the vapor some unknown super small mistery particels which are not known to human yet? But I am just a naive vaper. What do I know?

 

[rokyo87]

But you are responding to a post where the person is talking about being approached...
In other words, someone was trying to shove their ideas down HIS throat...

That's right. In my country I am attacked every day because of my PV. "What is this? This is dangerous!". "This is chemistry and is very bad for you!". "You don't know nothing about this. Here, take a cigarette it's better for you!". "I heard that in there is poison. Are you insane?". "Which chemicals are in there? Do you know them? They are dangerous!". And finally: "We don't know if this is better than tobacco cigarettes, we don't have long-term studies. I am better of with my cigarettes, they are all natural..."...

 

[Lessifer]

That's right. In my country I am attacked every day because of my PV. "What is this? This is dangerous!". "This is chemistry and is very bad for you!". "You don't know nothing about this. Here, take a cigarette it's better for you!". "I heard that in there is poison. Are you insane?". "Which chemicals are in there? Do you know them? They are dangerous!". And finally: "We don't know if this is better than tobacco cigarettes, we don't have long-term studies. I am better of with my cigarettes, they are all natural..."...

It's definitely not easy. If all we had were truthful studies and information, there would still be people who are afraid of what's new. Unfortunately, we don't just have truth and pure science, we also have special interests who would like nothing more than for people to continue feeding the gaping whole that is the tobacco/tobacco control/pharmaceutical/tax industry.

I've said it before, we probably come off as nut jobs when we say things that contradict the FDA, CDC, ALA, ACS, etc. but when you take the time to actually look at the evidence that is there, the truth is apparent.

Is it possible that there is some completely unknown harm from vaping that will surface 10-20 years down the road? Sure, but the same could be said for most things in every day life. What we know right now is, EVERYTHING that we know to look for that could cause short or long term harm is either non-existent or negligible in vapor products. We argue about amounts of compounds 100x less than OSHA safety limits, because we want things to be even safer.

 

[Kent C]

Is it possible that there is some completely unknown harm from vaping that will surface 10-20 years down the road? Sure, but the same could be said for most things in every day life.

There's a certain segment of society - or I should say a certain mindset that is common in certain segments that RELY on creating doubt among others, based soley on "possibilities" - rather than what science shows as low "probabilities".

It is easy to say 'anything is possible' which is hard to refute (without violating the laws of physics), and so that's where they go to create doubt or fear, in order to promote their next regulation (or to promote it to authorities). All the studies, media pieces etc., have all the 'mays', 'coulds', and 'possibles' that many people read as 'is', 'will be' and 'certainty'.

Each parent should teach their kids this. Actually all schools should as well, except the schools also rely on the mays, coulds, and possibles to float tax levies, or to promote "safe behavior', so they aren't as willing to do so.

 

[Ipster]

Some wonderful shared thoughts here, thanks to everyone.
imo...this for me is again simply all about personal choices as adults of legal
consenting age to choose our own paths. All of the diplomatic, assertive responses that remind ppl we can choose a tall glass of amber Ale or a stemmed glass of Cabernet. I wont pander to the foolish remarks concerning safety- I just cant go there without fireworks.
Civil liberties, rights of individual choices-period. thank you.

 

[MyMagicMist]

But you are responding to a post where the person is talking about being approached...
In other words, someone was trying to shove their ideas down HIS throat...

I'm hip to the concept of taking the high road, and sometimes I even do so.
But mostly, no, I do not take the high roads.

High roads help to reinforce ignorance.
And that should never be considered a worthy goal or outcome.

I like dirt roads.

Ah. I see your point. Makes sense and I agree. Let me get my bat, we'll have fun with mailbox baseball.

Maybe Kent C will spring us if the cops try anything funky.