601 E-pipe rebuild

Carlos49 · Aug 3, 2009

Well the other day my 601 atty died, I was bummed. I remembered all the things that I have read on this forum about the rebuilding of attys so I decided what the heck, I'll give it a try. I wish I would have thought about taking pictures sooner but I did not start untill after I had rebuilt the atty. Sorry about the poor quality of pics had to use my phone.
I used the method posted here about the e-cigar rebuild so people can always look at that for step by step. I do want to thank Cisco, Warp, Nicowolf, Sun, and all the others for their help, patience, and willingness to help others. Thanks again!!
Now the atty winding is a 32 gauge NiCr wire wrapped around a fiber, (Silica) I think it's called. Now I'm not sure if the heavier winding had anything to do with the output or if it was because I wired it direct, but this thing is a monster now. It drinks the juice like crazy and the vape is alot warmer. I did notice that I had to reduce my nic content because it was blowing the top of my skull off. I consider myself a heavy vapper, between 7-10 ml a day and with this thing now I'm lucky if I go through 5ml. Even with the lower nic content if I vape like I got used to I get very light headed, which never happened before.
Well here are the pics!!

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu107/caguiar_2009/PICT0157.jpg

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu107/caguiar_2009/PICT0158.jpg

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu107/caguiar_2009/PICT0159.jpg

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu107/caguiar_2009/PICT0160.jpg

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu107/caguiar_2009/PICT0161.jpg

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vaporich · Aug 3, 2009

I have a 601, too. The atomizer still works, and I get great hits, when I suck on it forever. if there was an easy way to mod it, i would do it. How long did ur mod take you to do? And how time consuming, if it doesnt take to long, and u were willing to explain it, I would probably give it a try>

Carlos49 · Aug 3, 2009

Well it took me about three days total. The dismantle of the pipe and the rebuild of the atty was the time consuming part but now that I know how it comes apart, and what I can or cannot do, it will be alot easier the next time. Of course this time is working in the evenings. The only thing I will caution you is be very careful in pulling out the atty tube. it has very short wires and the other end is hooked to the circuit board. That's where I messed up... I pulled the wire off of the board and then I cracked the board trying to get the the battery holder out. That is why I had to use a switch. I have another body that a friend gave me so I'm going to try again with, a step by step, pictures. This pipe I think I'm going to try to mod it into something different, not sure what yet but I have a few ideas.

vaporich said:
I have a 601, too. The atomizer still works, and I get great hits, when I suck on it forever. if there was an easy way to mod it, i would do it. How long did ur mod take you to do? And how time consuming, if it doesnt take to long, and u were willing to explain it, I would probably give it a try>

breakfastchef · Aug 3, 2009

Great stuff, Carlos. I have an atty nearing end of life. This looks like a good project. It looks like you did not have to remove the white plastic insert in the bowl.

Carlos49 · Aug 3, 2009

breakfastchef said:
Great stuff, Carlos. I have an atty nearing end of life. This looks like a good project. It looks like you did not have to remove the white plastic insert in the bowl.

That's right as long as you pull the tube out carefully, not like me. I got a little crazy..LOL. After that it's just a rebuild like it shows on the e-cigar rebuild. I took your advise on the 36 ga wire , for a robust atty. WOW what a difference. Like I said it is a juice hog but I do not need to hit it near as often as I used to. I don't feel like a addict sucking on his pipe all day to get his fix... Have fun I'm going to start on my next one here shortly and see what happens.

breakfastchef · Aug 3, 2009

Take photos this time!!!!

Carlos49 · Aug 3, 2009

breakfastchef said:
Take photos this time!!!!

Oh I plan to... getting things set up as we speak.

Carlos49 · Aug 4, 2009

Vaporer · Aug 5, 2009

Carlos,

Great work.
I have a 601 that has a bad circuit. It still useable if the battery is installed backwards and then jump it "on". Still has more drain than normal, but its getting me by.
I've been looking hard at it to take apart and just make it a manual with a switch.
Your pictures show me a lot I didnt expect to see. Thanks.

Would it be asking to much to ask you to post a step by step disassembly (text) describing what tool and method you used to remove each part?
Mine will require the removal of the circuit and just add the switch, but I'll need to remove the battery holder and the atty tube.
I've read the atty was glued in pretty good and I dont want to crush the tube.
The pics tell alot. I assumed the thick brass ring was crimped into the pipe neck wood.
Not so............

Thanks for the pics and hope to see the description.

Vaporer

Carlos49 · Aug 5, 2009

Vaporer said:
Carlos,

Great work.
I have a 601 that has a bad circuit. It still useable if the battery is installed backwards and then jump it "on". Still has more drain than normal, but its getting me by.
I've been looking hard at it to take apart and just make it a manual with a switch.
Your pictures show me a lot I didnt expect to see. Thanks.

Would it be asking to much to ask you to post a step by step disassembly (text) describing what tool and method you used to remove each part?
Mine will require the removal of the circuit and just add the switch, but I'll need to remove the battery holder and the atty tube.
I've read the atty was glued in pretty good and I dont want to crush the tube.
The pics tell alot. I assumed the thick brass ring was crimped into the pipe neck wood.
Not so............

Thanks for the pics and hope to see the description.

Vaporer

Vaporer
The brass rings are just glued in like every thing else. On the brass ring I use one of those rubber coated work gloves and wraped a finger around the ring then grabbed it with the Channel Locks and twisted them right off.
On my first pipe my tube was pretty easy to pull out, I'm guessing because of the use and heating up. My second one I had to heat up the tube and slowly pull and twist back and forth. Now what I did was straighten the little tabs on the inside of the tube, (they are very brittle) and found a drill bit that was the same ID as the tube. With the drill bit inside, shank first, I was able to take a pair of Channel Locks or even Vise Grips to grip the tube. The tube is made of Stainless Steel so it is very tough and will not deform that easily.
The battery holder is a different animal all together. They glued that in with a type of Silicone ... so it will not break loose with heat. What I used was a feeler gauge (used for gap on spark plug) and I slowly slid it between the pipe wall and the battery holder. It took some time but with patience I got it all the way around and was able to pull it out. Once you get that out and remove the circuit, which in glued in with Silicone, You should be able to put in one of those small square tactile switches right on the bowl, before it connects with the stem. (I got impatient and just used what I had)
I learned alot with this little project and patience being the biggest.LOL Which is good because I would like my next project to come out top notch. I know I cannot compete with Cisco, Warp, or many of the others but will give it my best.
Have fun and if you have any other question feel free to PM me. I come once or twice a day just to look for answers to questions I have.

Carlos49 · Aug 5, 2009

Since the bowl on my second dismantle broke I took the brass rings and add them to my original pipe to make up the space on the tube. This is what it look like now.

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu107/caguiar_2009/DSC03058.jpg

Carlos49 · Aug 5, 2009

Vaporer
On another note I'm not sure what gauge NiCr wire you are planning on using but IMO the 32 ga is too robust. Very often I get a mouthful of burnt tasting vape and very warm. It drinks up the juice like crazy and I find myself having to top off the cart often.(it has to stay very wet) I would suggest dropping down to 36 ga or even 40 ga. I will be changing mine as soon as I see how long my soldered joint hold up. I have been putting them through alot of use and abuse.

Vaporer · Aug 6, 2009

Carlos,

Thanks a bunch for the description. Its gonna help alot of people besides me!
That seems to be the downfall of the great 601 is attys dieing and so hard to get to.
Knowing we can and how it comes apart should save a lot of them.

I bought 36ga wire and it looks and tests good on the bench. I'm also working on a coil that will plug in. It should solve the soldering to nichrome problem wire too.
I have one more step to do, take pics and post it. I dont have a failed atty to try it in. Space is close , but it should help or be able to be modded by someone here for their application.

One thing, How did the threaded cover ring come out above the battery holder?

Here is a place to get 36ga. 10' for $2 free shipping.

http://jacobs-online.biz/nichrome_wire.htm

Now, off to AutoZone for a new feelers gage...lol

Might put a few teeth in it, sharpen the edge and saw it out!

Thanks,

Vaporer

breakfastchef · Aug 6, 2009

Vaporer;470605Here is a place to get 36ga. 10' for $2 free shipping.;) [url=http://jacobs-online.biz/nichrome_wire.htm said:
Nichrome Wire[/url]

Great resource. Thanks for the link.

Vaporer · Aug 6, 2009

np chef, thats what I love about this forum is the willingness of others to help.
So, its only fair to give back when you can.

Carlos49 · Aug 6, 2009

Vaporer Yes that's the exact link that I got my wire from. Yes I got the 32ga, 36ga, and 40ga, Have fun with your project.

CanyonRunner · Aug 10, 2009

Great job Carlos49!! I know what it is like to wrap that tiny little %$#*ing wire around the wick...and then solder it... I gave up.
Anyway, on anything other than a pipe, or an experimental mod, it's just not worth it...I know the pipe atty's are pricey.

Hey, could you measure the outside diameter of the atty while you have it out? Just short tube of the atty, not the long tube. It looks a lot like a 801 atty with that tall bridge. 801's are .4xx (don't remember exactly). That is the first pipe atty I've seen, and I'm bettin' it's the same as a 801. If it is, it would be a lot easier to buy a new 801 atty and...

kinabaloo · Aug 10, 2009

Carlos49 - I'm really impressed by your building a new coil !

That silica rope used for the coil - what is that exactly? Have a link?

Sorry if I missed it, very tired at the moment.

Well done

Carlos49 · Aug 10, 2009

kinabaloo said:
Carlos49 - I'm really impressed by your building a new coil !

That silica rope used for the coil - what is that exactly? Have a link?

Sorry if I missed it, very tired at the moment.

Well done

Kina:
As soon as I can get into my other computer, that has all my info, I'll post it for you but I think I got it from the "build an atty" post and I believe it was Cazyhorse that posted it. My other computer decided to take a vacation and not tell me about it. It's the same type of fope used as a gasket for wood stove doors.

Carlos49 · Aug 11, 2009

CanyonRunner said:
Great job Carlos49!! I know what it is like to wrap that tiny little %$#*ing wire around the wick...and then solder it... I gave up.
Anyway, on anything other than a pipe, or an experimental mod, it's just not worth it...I know the pipe atty's are pricey.

Hey, could you measure the outside diameter of the atty while you have it out? Just short tube of the atty, not the long tube. It looks a lot like a 801 atty with that tall bridge. 801's are .4xx (don't remember exactly). That is the first pipe atty I've seen, and I'm bettin' it's the same as a 801. If it is, it would be a lot easier to buy a new 801 atty and...

I have not forgotten and will mesure it as soon as I get back home. I would guess that is is probably the same. I will not be home until late so I'll probably write my findings tomorrow.
As far as the wrapping the tiny wire I have come up with a pretty simple way. I'll try to get some pictures on here tomorrow on the way I do the wrapping.

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