A bit annoyed: vaping indoors all of a sudden upset ONE coworker

[Canadian_Vaper]

I see a lot for "forum scientists" that seem 100% positive that second hand vape is 100% safe.
Does anyone have some REAL evidence of this? And if so can you please post the source I'd like to read it.

A rapid method for the chromatographic analysis of volatile organic compounds in exhaled breath of tobacco cigarette and electronic cigarette smokers. - PubMed - NCBI

Select view full text.

Some values are even lower than exhaling just air lols.

Note: ecig one is a cigalike, Ecig 2 is a rechargeable.

 

[HotRodCarts]

A rapid method for the chromatographic analysis of volatile organic compounds in exhaled breath of tobacco cigarette and electronic cigarette smokers. - PubMed - NCBI

Select view full text.

Some values are even lower than exhaling just air lols.

I didn't see anything in that article that said second hand vape is 100% healthy. Thanks for the link though.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

I didn't see anything in that article that said second hand vape is 100% healthy. Thanks for the link though.

Below permissible limits. EG, gras.

 

[HotRodCarts]

I find something strange about the results on that link. It says that the glycerin is absorbed in the body.
In my office here at home I vape all the time and always have a greasy/sticky film on my windows, monitor and other smooth surfaces in the room. I never smoked in my house and this didn't happen until I started vaping. I also get the same film on my car windows.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

It says that the glycerin is absorbed in the body.
In my office here at home I vape all the time and always have a greasy/sticky film on my windows

Your body can process the glycerin, windows can't >.> If you've ever eaten a vegetable chances are you've been processing VG your entire life

 

[HotRodCarts]

Is there PG in Veggies?

I read the full text version and it's very interesting thanks again for the link.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Is there PG in Veggies?

I read the full text version and it's very interesting thanks again for the link.

No but here's the metabolic cycle for propylene glycol.

Propylene glycol → lactic acid → pyruvic acid → CO2 + water

The chemical facts about propylene glycol

• It is water-soluble.
• It is synthetic.
• It is non-toxic.
• It is easily metabolized.

If you've ever had carbonated water (with no additives like sugars etc) it'll have about the same effect on your body (Per Volume) so if you vape 1ml of pg it would be about like drinking 1ml of carbonated water.

 

[skoony]

@HotRodCarts There are a couple of good studies indicating that any toxins if
found are in such small amounts they are barely distinguishable from amounts
found in places where no one smoked or vaped. No toxins where found in amounts
that would cause any health related concerns even to the most ardent anti-vaping
proponent. You might hear someone say they found harmful stuff,they just leave
out the part that there wasn't enough to hurt a fly. IMHO the second hand vapor
being harmful myth has been put to rest though some will not allow themselves
the pleasure of believing it.

Regards
mike

 

[pappcam]

So I assume (maybe wrongly so) that people start vaping to quit smoking. I also assume that when these people smoked they didn't do it at work, school, store, Walmart cereal aisle, etc. sooo, why do people all of a sudden think they can vape any where they damn well please? What changed in these people? Obviously when these people smoked they got their fix when they could following by the normal rules and bylaws yet somehow when they start vaping they need to do it constantly. I don't get it.

Vaping is new and since it consists of people inhaling something into their lungs and then exhaling something, people automatically equate it to smoking and they assume that smoking rules should apply to vapers. I never vape where you can't smoke and amazingly it works for me and I don't feel the need to impose myself on people that have reservations on a bunch of vapour coming out of someone that may or may not be harmless.

I using vaping as tool to not smoke and I admit I enjoy vaping. I certainly don't "chuck clouds" in a pathetic attempt to look cool.

Anyhoo, carry on.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

why do people all of a sudden think they can vape any where they damn well please?

For me, I'm fine with whatever happens as long as I'm not forced to vape with smokers...

Would you force a ex-alcoholic to drink coffee in a bar during happy hour? If the second hand vapor isn't a problem from a medical point of view then it should be up to the owner of the location whether or not it is permissible, his boss said he doesn't have a problem with it then I don't...

 

[DC2]

Well, you folks have been busy!

So rather than quoting a bunch of walls of text, let me just say...
--Jman8, you have done some of your best work here in the last bunch of posts
--Pluviose, I'm seriously digging where you're coming from

Now, on to more important matters...

If you want to have a more in-depth conversation why I think this way and why I've said the things I've said: Feel free to approach me by PM. And as you've said, this conversation belongs somewhere else than the "New Members" forum.

I agree with snork that this conversation is awesome, and should be a sticky.

A Devil's Advocate might argue you're "hearing" a dissenting opinion only after running it through a Straw Man's Fallacy filter.

If that is not how I should be hearing it, I would like someone to offer another way to hear it.

 

[Rossum]

So I assume (maybe wrongly so) that people start vaping to quit smoking. I also assume that when these people smoked they didn't do it at work, school, store, Walmart cereal aisle, etc. sooo, why do people all of a sudden think they can vape any where they damn well please? What changed in these people?

I always smoked at work except for a few years around 1990 when the CEO of the large company I worked for at the time quit smoking and decided everyone else should suffer with him, so he made us go outside.

Back when I went to school in the 1970s, smoking had not yet been demonized to the point where you weren't allowed to smoke anywhere on the property. About the only place you weren't allowed to smoke was in classrooms, and at least one department took exception to that and removed the "No Smoking" signs from their classrooms at the beginning of every term.

Stores? I remember a time when most stores didn't wish to alienate their customers who smoked by prohibiting smoking. Ditto for restaurants, bars, airlines, etc.

So what changed? You tell me.

 

[skoony]

I also assume that when these people smoked they didn't do it at work, school, store, Walmart cereal aisle, etc. sooo, why do people all of a sudden think they can vape any where they damn well please?

Because we damn well are not smoking.
Mike

 

[pappcam]

I always smoked at work except for a few years around 1990 when the CEO of the large company I worked for at the time quit smoking and decided everyone else should suffer with him, so he made us go outside.

Back when I went to school in the 1970s, smoking had not yet been demonized to the point where you weren't allowed to smoke anywhere on the property. About the only place you weren't allowed to smoke was in classrooms, and at least one department took exception to that and removed the "No Smoking" signs from their classrooms at the beginning of every term.

Stores? I remember a time when most stores didn't wish to alienate their customers who smoked by prohibiting smoking. Ditto for restaurants, bars, airlines, etc.

So what changed? You tell me.

I'm not talking about the 70's obviously as vaping didn't even really exist until 10 years ago. This is about going from smoking to vaping because, you know, this is a vaping forum.

What changed? People started to stop smoking. That's what changed.

 

[AndriaD]

So I assume (maybe wrongly so) that people start vaping to quit smoking. I also assume that when these people smoked they didn't do it at work, school, store, Walmart cereal aisle, etc. sooo, why do people all of a sudden think they can vape any where they damn well please? What changed in these people? Obviously when these people smoked they got their fix when they could following by the normal rules and bylaws yet somehow when they start vaping they need to do it constantly. I don't get it.

Vaping is new and since it consists of people inhaling something into their lungs and then exhaling something, people automatically equate it to smoking and they assume that smoking rules should apply to vapers. I never vape where you can't smoke and amazingly it works for me and I don't feel the need to impose myself on people that have reservations on a bunch of vapour coming out of someone that may or may not be harmless.

I using vaping as tool to not smoke and I admit I enjoy vaping. I certainly don't "chuck clouds" in a pathetic attempt to look cool.

Anyhoo, carry on.

For me, I'm fine with whatever happens as long as I'm not forced to vape with smokers...

Would you force a ex-alcoholic to drink coffee in a bar during happy hour? If the second hand vapor isn't a problem from a medical point of view then it should be up to the owner of the location whether or not it is permissible, his boss said he doesn't have a problem with it then I don't...

All this ^ -- mostly I'm fine with not vaping in public places where previously I didn't smoke -- I got used to not smoking there (like in stores), so not vaping there doesn't cause me a problem. I count it a *bonus* that if I should need to visit the lady's room during those shopping trips, I can very easily stealth-vape behind the stall door, with no one the wiser. Because I don't emit vast clouds either; the small wisps I normally exhale can be easily eliminated just by holding them in for a few seconds. I would have to agree that trying to vape at 50w in a work environment is beyond ridiculous, and it's a miracle that only one person has objected -- maybe 10w or less would give her less reason to be a Drama Queen.

In other places, such as my home, my parents' home, my aunt's home, I vape as much as I please, with great support from my family -- who are intelligent enough to listen to my explanations of the biased media and why there's this bias against vaping -- MONEY. And apparently care enough about me to be very happy that I don't smoke anymore, NO MATTER how I have achieved that.

If I'm in public but outdoors, nobody better say a word to me about my vaping, or they'll get a few words back about the value of courtesy and minding one's own business. I *WILL NOT* enter the "smoking area," because -- news flash! -- I'm not smoking! I'll be happy to debate that with anyone rude/stupid enough to start that debate with me.

Andria

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

If I'm in public but outdoors, nobody better say a word to me about my vaping, or they'll get a few words back about the value of courtesy and minding one's own business. I *WILL NOT* enter the "smoking area," because -- news flash! -- I'm not smoking! I'll be happy to debate that with anyone rude/stupid enough to start that debate with me.

Andria

 

[HotRodCarts]

No but here's the metabolic cycle for propylene glycol.

Propylene glycol → lactic acid → pyruvic acid → CO2 + water

The chemical facts about propylene glycol

• It is water-soluble.
• It is synthetic.
• It is non-toxic.
• It is easily metabolized.

If you've ever had carbonated water (with no additives like sugars etc) it'll have about the same effect on your body (Per Volume) so if you vape 1ml of pg it would be about like drinking 1ml of carbonated water.

Yes I've had carbonated water but I've never inhaled it or spit it at other people. lolz

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Yes I've had carbonated water but I've never inhaled it or spit it at other people. lolz

doesn't matter it's still processed by the liver no matter how you come in contact with it...

Absorbing it through the skin is the most common method, mind you it's usually externally (except in the case of food)but it's in all sorts of things from shampoos to lotions to food, it's extremely common and gras.

 

[HotRodCarts]

10-4 lol

 

[DC2]

All this ^ -- mostly I'm fine with not vaping in public places where previously I didn't smoke -- I got used to not smoking there (like in stores), so not vaping there doesn't cause me a problem.

If I want to vape where smoking is not allowed, I just do it by way of stealth.
I've been doing that for over half a decade in stores, restaurants, and movie theaters.

No one has EVER noticed, because I'm that good at it.
And it's really not all that hard if you're a tootie puffer like I am.

I would have to agree that trying to vape at 50w in a work environment is beyond ridiculous, and it's a miracle that only one person has objected -- maybe 10w or less would give her less reason to be a Drama Queen.

Blowing out clouds is just asking for ....-sore folks to get all ....-hurt about it.
Doesn't make it right, just makes it what it is at this point.

In other places, such as my home, my parents' home, my aunt's home, I vape as much as I please, with great support from my family -- who are intelligent enough to listen to my explanations of the biased media and why there's this bias against vaping -- MONEY. And apparently care enough about me to be very happy that I don't smoke anymore, NO MATTER how I have achieved that.

Key word in the quote above is intelligent.
If your friends or family aren't, you can't make them so.

I don't have the time to be bothered with stupidity.
It's extremely taxing.

If I'm in public but outdoors, nobody better say a word to me about my vaping, or they'll get a few words back about the value of courtesy and minding one's own business. I *WILL NOT* enter the "smoking area," because -- news flash! -- I'm not smoking! I'll be happy to debate that with anyone rude/stupid enough to start that debate with me.

All that and a bag of chips.

When entering my face, or my space, get ready for what comes with it.
And that means having your ducks in a row, because mine are.

Here is a quote I hear all the time that I do NOT believe in whatsoever...
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.