Fantastic articles for those interested. An amazing case made for the pre-trib Rapture of believers.
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Part_Two
Conclusion
A case for a pre-trib Rapture?
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Well, I spent the last hour reading all 3 parts, and I"m still not convinced that it will happen pre-tribulation.
He uses several biblical examples like Noah's day and also Lot and several others. Well let's use the Lot example. Lot was rescued from the city just before it was completely destroyed. He was taken out right before the destruction (Armageddon), but not before the city became so bad that it had to be destroyed (tribulation).
When I compare that to the end times, I see that we will be spared when the destruction comes(Armageddon), but not before the time period before that which would be the tribulation.
I would really love to think that we will be spared having to go through the tribulation, but I'm leaning twords the belief that we will have to endure it.
The whole basis for the belief in the rapture comes from Matthew 24:36-41 "36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. [37] But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, [39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
This scripture leaves me with the impression that it's talking about Armageddon, the end as it's compared to Noah and the flood, which was the destruction time. It does not appear to be talking about the beginning of the tribulation, but it's talking about the end. At that time, one woman will be taken and one will be left, right before the destruction. That's how I'm interpreting it.
I'm just not seeing any biblical evidence to suggest otherwise, even though I'd definitely prefer to believe that because it's much more pleasant.
Jesus also preached about how Christians would be persecuted during the tribulation and only the ones that endured to the end would be saved. If we were all taken up beforehand, who was He referring to?
It sure is comforting to believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, but I don't think it's a sound scriptural belief, and it might do more harm then good. I say that only because there are so many people who believe this 100% and they have faith that it is true. Well, what will happen to those believers if it does not happen? Will their faith be shaken since their belief did not come true? Will they feel that they were deceived and forgotten or forsaken?
The Christians who are alive during the tribulation are going to have to endure some really horrible things, and we really all need to be fully prepared to fight that spiritual battle if we are going to be able to endure it through to the end. The ones who are prepared emotionally and spiritually for that battle, and have their spiritual suit of armour on will probably be in a better position to deal with whatever happens to them.
The ones who are caught off guard might be in a weaker position, and that would not be good.
So, for me, I'm going to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Either way, I got that covered.
He uses several biblical examples like Noah's day and also Lot and several others. Well let's use the Lot example. Lot was rescued from the city just before it was completely destroyed. He was taken out right before the destruction (Armageddon), but not before the city became so bad that it had to be destroyed (tribulation).
When I compare that to the end times, I see that we will be spared when the destruction comes(Armageddon), but not before the time period before that which would be the tribulation.
I would really love to think that we will be spared having to go through the tribulation, but I'm leaning twords the belief that we will have to endure it.
The whole basis for the belief in the rapture comes from Matthew 24:36-41 "36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. [37] But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, [39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
This scripture leaves me with the impression that it's talking about Armageddon, the end as it's compared to Noah and the flood, which was the destruction time. It does not appear to be talking about the beginning of the tribulation, but it's talking about the end. At that time, one woman will be taken and one will be left, right before the destruction. That's how I'm interpreting it.
I'm just not seeing any biblical evidence to suggest otherwise, even though I'd definitely prefer to believe that because it's much more pleasant.
Jesus also preached about how Christians would be persecuted during the tribulation and only the ones that endured to the end would be saved. If we were all taken up beforehand, who was He referring to?
It sure is comforting to believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, but I don't think it's a sound scriptural belief, and it might do more harm then good. I say that only because there are so many people who believe this 100% and they have faith that it is true. Well, what will happen to those believers if it does not happen? Will their faith be shaken since their belief did not come true? Will they feel that they were deceived and forgotten or forsaken?
The Christians who are alive during the tribulation are going to have to endure some really horrible things, and we really all need to be fully prepared to fight that spiritual battle if we are going to be able to endure it through to the end. The ones who are prepared emotionally and spiritually for that battle, and have their spiritual suit of armour on will probably be in a better position to deal with whatever happens to them.
The ones who are caught off guard might be in a weaker position, and that would not be good.
So, for me, I'm going to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Either way, I got that covered.
Well LisaLisa, thats a totally respectable position. Thank you for taking the time to read those articles. I understand your thoughts about folks falling away because they believed so blindly that the rapture would happen - then it didn't - all to well. My papa wholeheartedly believed it would happen in 1988 and of course, it didn't. That hit him hard. I really do get that.
With respect to Matthew 24 - I don't believe Jesus was talking about the Rapture - I don't think He spoke one word of it the entire time He was on earth. The first mention of the rapture was by Paul in 1 Thessalonians. Jesus was referring to the second coming.
Anywhoo, I really do appreciate your willingness to read what I submitted.
With respect to Matthew 24 - I don't believe Jesus was talking about the Rapture - I don't think He spoke one word of it the entire time He was on earth. The first mention of the rapture was by Paul in 1 Thessalonians. Jesus was referring to the second coming.
Anywhoo, I really do appreciate your willingness to read what I submitted.
Yea, and who knows. We could all be wrong! The only thing that we can do is to remain strong no matter what happens.
I've always believed that Believers would be raptured corporally pre-trib but there would be a "sifting" during the tribulation and many would come to a belief in God that otherwise would not have and these will endure until the end. It appears that God is willing to do all that's possible to bring as many into the fold as would come. I also must confess that I've not spent enough time considering this matter and really appreciate the topic. Guess I need to study up. Cheers.
No passage anywhere in the entire Bible explicitly puts the rapture before (or at the start of) the tribulation. In America pre-trib rapture teaching is possibly the most highly publicized and popular position on the timing of the Rapture.
Down through the centuries, the Post-tribulational view is predominant.
But definitelly tells us that,
Christ will come again after the tribulation
saints will be raised from the dead after the tribulation
and, the elect will be gathered after the tribulation. (...see Mat.24:29-31)
I Have always been taught pre trib doctrine, but after studying both sides myself I'm just not sure. I see no clear solid proof of a pre trib and will keep studying and praying and looking up Lord I hope I'm wrong.
Down through the centuries, the Post-tribulational view is predominant.
But definitelly tells us that,
Christ will come again after the tribulation
saints will be raised from the dead after the tribulation
and, the elect will be gathered after the tribulation. (...see Mat.24:29-31)
I Have always been taught pre trib doctrine, but after studying both sides myself I'm just not sure. I see no clear solid proof of a pre trib and will keep studying and praying and looking up
Lord I hope I'm wrong.I hope I"m wrong too. It's a scary thing to face, having to go through all that torment. But, the worst they can do to us is kill the body.
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