A Great Way to Reduce Your Nicotine Intake.

[kristin]

There we go again, this time comparing nicotine with peanut butter and eggplants. Give me a break.... I take it then, that you have no studies to show that nicotine is safe? As for the FDA, isn't that the same agency that approved several drugs that killed thousands of people - the same drugs that they later banned? I forget the names, but I am sure you know which drugs they are.

BTW Don't know how this thread got hijacked into a discussion about nicotine safety. The title clearly states how to reduce your intake.

Ignoring some my points and completely twisting the meaning of others. People reading this thread will see my points even if you can't. They will also see how you are being completely disingenuous. Believe what you will. I'm done even trying to reason with you anymore. But if you keep perpetuating ANTZ lies and propaganda, I will continue to counter it with facts.

 

[Exchaner]

ANTZ? Hardly. I vape myself so I can not be. Ignoring your points? Not true either. I do get your point about the doze making the poison - or at least the degree of the poison. And of course I've already acknowledged that vaping is much safer alternative. But in science we have to stay consistent. You are treating two delivery systems the same when making your point, and when I do the same, you dismiss the notion - not very consistent. And, as Mr. Mann points out, the degree of toxicity between two substances is critical. I nevertheless do enjoy reading some of your posts, and think you are making a great contribution.

 

[Exchaner]

Thank you Mr. Mann for the link and also for your comments. The decision on how much of a substance to use is entirely up to the individual, as long as they are well informed and understand the indications/consequences. I love my vape, but you are correct, I can not vape more even if the nic was safe. Doesn't go with my system. But I do love the yummy flavors. I am like a kid in a candy store whenever I browse the flavors.

 

[kristin]

ANTZ? Hardly. I vape myself so I can not be.

Let's be perfectly clear here. I did NOT say you "were" an ANTZ. I do not believe that you are an ANTZ. I said you were perpetuating their lies and propaganda by using their red herring argument that "nicotine is a poison." There is a big difference.

The fact that nicotine is a poison is irrelevant. We don't vape enough nicotine for it to poison us and even if we did, it wouldn't kill us. And scientists already agree that it's not the nicotine being inhaled that causes smoking-related diseases. So, why would ANTZ bring up that "nicotine is a poison" other than as a distraction from the real facts - that vaping eliminates exposure to the real deadly poisons and carcinogens in smoke? You are unwittingly supporting the ANTZ war against us every time you bring that up.

Last point: The benefits of quitting smoking far outweigh any of the small risks of vaping. That is all that should matter. Any discussion about the small risks from vaping is simply an attempt to distract from that fact. Don't let the ANTZ win.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Thank you Mr. Mann for the link and also for your comments. The decision on how much of a substance to use is entirely up to the individual, as long as they are well informed and understand the indications/consequences. I love my vape, but you are correct, I can not vape more even if the nic was safe. Doesn't go with my system. But I do love the yummy flavors. I am like a kid in a candy store whenever I browse the flavors.

I completely understand being stim sensitive (if that is in fact what you are alluding to), as I have people in my family that are (mostly based on caffeine). Heart palpitations, uneasiness, raciness and other not-so pleasant effects can be felt by many people when taking stimulants. I also understand that a lot of times in this (and any) community, those that speak contrary to others' experiences get met with a lot of resistance. However, that resistance is understandable and justified when the personal experiences are talked about as universal facts as opposed to individual (not saying that is necessarily what you did).

I am a high nic vaper (as high as 36 mg sometimes), but if I said that when I vape that high I was also going to go do some strenuous activity I'd be lying. Yesterday when I had snow to shovel, I did not vape prior. Why? Because for me it would've messed with my overall endurance rather acutely (based on experiences I've had prior). I vaped afterward, but not before. I have come to learn when the best time for me to vape is, how much to vape in day, and when I shouldn't vape at all. If I just want to vape for the sake of it, I'll vape some straight VG or something like that; but the problem for me is that when I am vaping more for sport (like zero - 12 mg), my consumption goes up so high that even my normal two liters to a gallon of water a day isn't enough to stave off dehydration (and then muscle aches). I am one that overall does not jive well with a lot of the PG/VG intake. So for me, the higher the nic the less I need to vape--I now average about 1.5 mL a day (if that). Once again, it's a personal thing for me and no amount of "evidence" anyone can link to about why this or that isn't the case means much to my experience. But, once again, that goes the same for my experiences not meaning much to anyone else unless they feel as I do.

 

[Exchaner]

Hi Kristin, I learned that Nic was a poison before ANTZ was even born. It's just a matter of degree - whether it is just harmful or whether it is deadly as you put it. Nor would I consider it an irrelevant question whether the stuff is a poison or not. With so many people trying to reduce their mg's, we should be encouraging them, not discouraging them. On a related subject, it would help if you could indicate your sources for the following quote:

"And scientists already agree that it's not the nicotine being inhaled that causes smoking-related diseases."

I have been searching the subject for a long time and have not gotten anywhere so far.

 

[fogging_katrider]

For others reading here, these are links from another thread where someone posed a question speculating that nicotine caused lung disease and/or cancer rather than the obvious known factors in cigarette smoke

The op "exchaner" also stated that he would "pass" as for doing any research found on ecf.
From this thread... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/technical-research/509193-what-causes-lung-cancer.html

Nothing on Google that answers my specific question: is lung cancer caused by nicotine or not. As to doing research on ECF, I think I will pass.

The links below were then presented to the op in the discussion but the op refused to accept these findings as credible.

Many mistakenly think nicotine causes cancer, rather than the smoke - Medical News Today

Low-dose nicotine does not promote lung tumors in mouse models - National Cancer Institute

Long-term Nicotine Replacement Therapy: Cancer Risk in Context

Does nicotine replacement therapy cause can... [Nicotine Tob Res. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI

"And scientists already agree that it's not the nicotine being inhaled that causes smoking-related diseases."

I have been searching the subject for a long time and have not gotten anywhere so far.

I know I said I was done in this thread. This time I promiss heh heh

hth

 

[zoiDman]

Here is an Interesting Thread...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/520260-bad-news-about-nicotine.html

 

[Exchaner]

For others reading here, these are links from another thread where someone posed a question speculating that nicotine caused lung disease and/or cancer rather than the obvious known factors in cigarette smoke

The op "exchaner" also stated that he would "pass" as for doing any research found on ecf.
From this thread... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/technical-research/509193-what-causes-lung-cancer.html



The links below were then presented to the op in the discussion but the op refused to accept these findings as credible.

Many mistakenly think nicotine causes cancer, rather than the smoke - Medical News Today

Low-dose nicotine does not promote lung tumors in mouse models - National Cancer Institute

Long-term Nicotine Replacement Therapy: Cancer Risk in Context

Does nicotine replacement therapy cause can... [Nicotine Tob Res. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI



I know I said I was done in this thread. This time I promiss heh heh

hth

Many of the links you provided are just someone's opinion, not actual research - except a couple maybe. And those are talking about nicotine REPLACEMENT therapy, (i.e. nicotine patches etc.) The amount of nicotine you take in "replacement therapy" is minuscule; of course it does not produce cancer. Sorry but your opinion does not pass as research. Neither does mine for that matter. Others in this thread have posted links that are much more convincing than yours; even if some do tend to support your views, not mine. I wish you'd take time to read them before you get into a "p'ing" match with me. Perhaps if Kristin posted the sources I asked for, the issues will come into focus and perhaps resolved. Who are the scientists she is referring to .... I am trying to keep an open mind.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Wish I could lower my nic intake I'm at 18mg but Throat Hit is a MUST and the lower the nic the less TH you get which wont work for me so is there a way around that?

 

[Exchaner]

Wish I could lower my nic intake I'm at 18mg but Throat Hit is a MUST and the lower the nic the less TH you get which wont work for me so is there a way around that?

I hear the brand of nicotine has a big impact on TH. MyFreedomSmokes used to have the biggest TH but I hear they have changed. Here is a thread on the subject:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/298547-nicotine-comparisons.html

Some ingredients also help; coffee for example, and lemon.

 

[Julie W]

Don't feed the troll......

 

[Exchaner]

Don't feed the troll......

I am doing my best.

 

[LoveVanilla]

Here a troll, there a troll, everywhere a troll, troll... Remember that feeding trolls only makes then grow and even *gasp* reproduce. And sometimes hitting DELETE is the best post.

 

[Mr.Mann]

It's Hard to Compare Smoking to Vaping mg-wise.

Because Cigarettes Nicotine mg is Rated as How Much Nicotine an Average person Absorbs into there Body. Whereas e-Liquids are Rated as the Total Nicotine in 1 Milliliter (mg/ml).

But I was Smoking a Pack a Day of American Spirits Yellow when I Switched.

Yellow? Man, how could you? It was all about the Black and Blue!