A Great Way to Reduce Your Nicotine Intake.

[Wow1420]

One of us needs a lesson in math, and I have a feeling it might be you. If there are any experts reading this thread, they might want to help resolve the question. Here is the question: How many milligrams of nicotine in 1 milliliter of 12mg liquid? I say it is .012 mg. And you are saying it is 12mg, right? Until we get an answer, I suggest we both suspend our DIY operations involving nicotine. Unlike you, I am very careful with my poison, and won't go around telling people nicotine is just like coffee. Even if it was, does that mean just because we take one poison, we might as well take another ....? Hehe...

Fogging is correct. 12mg is shorthand for 12 mg per ml. 1 ml contains 12 mg.

 

[Wow1420]

And let me clarify what I said, in words that YOU might understand: Nicotine is a poison. You do not ingest it the way you ingest caffeine/cofee. One goes into your lungs, and the other goes into your stomach where it is partly neutralized by acids into your stomach. Research on snus is irrelevant for the same reason. Snus is not inhaled into your lungs. And in case you have not heard, nicotine has been linked to lung disease such as emphysema/COPD. All it takes to find out is a Google search. Need I say more?

Yes, you need to say more. Like provide links to credible research that ties nicotine (not smoking) to any lung condition.

Smoking is the killer, not nicotine.

 

[Exchaner]

Yes, you need to say more. Like provide links to credible research that ties nicotine (not smoking) to any lung condition.

Smoking is the killer, not nicotine.

How about a link that proves your statement? I will provide mine shortly.

 

[Exchaner]

Yes you've made mistakes.
1000 ml of 12mg e juice contains a grand total of 120 ml of 100 mg (10%) nic base for a grand total of 12000 mg nicotine.
12mg e juice is 1.2% nicotine. Translation = 12mg nicotine per ml !

I found out the source of confusion and we are both right. Here is why:
You are saying a 12mg solution contains 12mg of 100mg solution (Not pure nicotine)
In contrast I was referring to Pure nicotine, not 100mg solution.

in other words to make 10ml of 12mg solution, I do the following:
8.8 ml of base
1.2 ml of 100mg nicotine.

If this is correct in your book, all is well and sorry for the confusion.

 

[Julie W]

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source info...good reading on the fsc cig topic...
Are the new FSC fire-safe cigarettes making smokers sicker than ever? - National Holistic Science & Spirit | Examiner.com
http://healthwyze.org/index.php/com...arettes-and-the-genocide-against-smokers.html

Excellent links & great post!....thanks for sharing

 

[emstorm]

really? where did you hear this? interesting...

I think it was stated by Dr Farsalinos. I don't have links for this.

 

[Julie W]

Quote : Echaner:
And let me clarify what I said, in words that YOU might understand: Nicotine is a poison. You do not ingest it the way you ingest caffeine/cofee. One goes into your lungs, and the other goes into your stomach where it is partly neutralized by acids into your stomach. Research on snus is irrelevant for the same reason. Snus is not inhaled into your lungs. And in case you have not heard, nicotine has been linked to lung disease such as emphysema/COPD. All it takes to find out is a Google search. Need I say more?




Not quite the same thing as E cigs,not nearly as healthy (sic)but at least proves it is not as damning as you are making out

"If you have mild chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), using nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) and getting help from a doctor, nurse, or trained counsellor can help you stop smoking. It will also reduce the chances that you will start again."
Thanks for the Google tip
And another link:
http://casaa.org/Nicotine_Effects.html

 

[twgbonehead]

One of us needs a lesson in math, and I have a feeling it might be you. If there are any experts reading this thread, they might want to help resolve the question. Here is the question: How many milligrams of nicotine in 1 milliliter of 12mg liquid? I say it is .012 mg. And you are saying it is 12mg, right? Until we get an answer, I suggest we both suspend our DIY operations involving nicotine. Unlike you, I am very careful with my poison, and won't go around telling people nicotine is just like coffee. Even if it was, does that mean just because we take one poison, we might as well take another ....? Hehe...

Sorry, Exchaner, you're wrong.

12mg liquid is 12 mg/ml, or 12 grams/liter
1 ml of 12mg liquid contains .012 grams of nicotine, which is 12 mg.

 

[endGame]

I don't think I have made a mistake. But I do agree that 12mg means 1.2% or .012. That means 1ml of 12mg liquid contains .012mg of nicotine (1ml x .012=.012mg)
Here is a link to a nicotine supplier that explains 100mg concentration as being a 10% solution

100mg/ml Nicotine Solution

The WL link above has the answer both in the text of your link and in the info on the page:
100mg/ml is read as "One hundred milligrams PER milliliter" this means that 1ml of solution contains 100mg.

The .012 you're getting to is Grams, not Milligrams.
It sounds like your mixes are correct from your other posts here- you're just adding decimals when you write it out.

 

[Exchaner]

Thank you both for clearing up the confusion.

 

[Exchaner]

Here is a link sent to me by my doctor linking nicotine with emphysema-like lesions in unborn rats. He has sent several other links which I will post once I locate them.

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01902140290092010

 

[fogging_katrider]

Exchaner,
Ok now that MATH CLASS is over, heh heh heh.

"Nicotine" It's all about the "context" (look "that" up ex)

That link you posted is really irrelevent in regard to the context I was using, and to the context of this thread.

In that silly study, they caused genetic birth anomalies in rat pups by dosing pregnant rats with daily subcutaneous doses of nic.
Such studies have been able to cause birth defects using high doses of you name it...diet soda, water, oxygen.
Your link IS Totally irrelevent to the context of nicotine inhalation. And I was NOT referring to adverse effects of nicotine or coffee for that matter in the case of pregnant women. So get a clue on ... I was trying to convey in the context I was using.

I do know that reducing our nicotine intake levels "is a good thing" in regard to the fact that most of us are vaping as a replacement for cigarettes, and eventually breaking our nic addictions. The smoking "habit" part, for me at least, I will be happy continuing vaping as it does also help me keep my lungs in much better shape. It Is after all germicidal and has virtually eliminated the chronic lung infections I had been having with my copd/emphysema. Mine is "patchy parenchymal disease", and my doctor is very happy with my current lung scans now that I'm vaping instead of taking in carbon monoxide, burning ethylene vynil acetate copolymers, and the rest of the long long list of pollutants in cig smoke that caused my lung problems in the first place. In my case especially, it was the extra garbage the FSC laws put in the cigs that exacerbated my chronic bronchitis into full blown copd. For me, vaping is working just like a broncodialator and I havent needed to do any more nebulizer treatments since I began vaping.


So nicotine "in the context of this thread"...
Heres a great link discussing nicotine and whether it in itself is any more harmful than coffee.

FAQ: Nicotine (tobaccoharmreduction.org)

 

[kristin]

Here is a link sent to me by my doctor linking nicotine with emphysema-like lesions in unborn rats. He has sent several other links which I will post once I locate them.

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That discusses an effect on a developing fetus that makes them more susceptible to "emphysema-like" lesions. It's already generally accepted that pregnant women should avoid unnecessary chemical exposures, because developing bodies are far more susceptible to many chemicals - including those considered harmless to adults, such as caffeine, alcohol and prescription drugs.

That study doesn't tell us anything about smoke-free nicotine exposure to fully-developed, adult lungs?

Regarding nicotine being "more poisonous than caffeine," we also consume less nicotine when vaping than caffeine when drinking coffee. Someone who vapes the average 3 ml of 18 mg liquid a day gets exposed to 54 mg of nicotine, yet they do not suffer symptoms of nicotine "poisoning." If the absorption rate is similar to that of smoking, the body absorbs approximately 10% of what is inhaled or 5.4 mg per day. One 8 ounce cup of coffee contains 95 mg of caffeine. The dose makes the poison.

That said, a dose of 30 mg to 60 mg is often cited as being deadly. However, recent research - along with cases where people ingested far more without dying or any long-tern effects - is showing that is likely not accurate. The deadly dose could be as high as 1 gram, which is 1,000 mg. (See RealClearScience - Is Nicotine Really as Dangerous as Cyanide?) A dose of 750-1,000 mg of caffeine can cause severe toxic symptoms, similar to nicotine poisoning.

Caffeine doses of 200 mg or higher can cause unpleasant symptoms including nausea, headache, and irregular heartbeat, while dose of 750 - 1000 mg can cause severe toxic symptoms. Severe caffeine intoxication can result in nausea, vomiting, anxiety, tremor, seizures, tachycardia, dysrhythmias, hypotension, hypokalemia, and metabolic acidosis.

Several fatalities resulting from caffeine overdose have been documented, but they are extremely rare relative to its widespread use. In the case of a massive caffeine overdose, vomiting often protects against fatal poisoning, but some deaths have still resulted.

In spite of over 45 million nicotine/tobacco users in this country, like caffeine, deaths from nicotine poisoning are extremely rare. We have found only one documented accidental death (a child swallowed a smoking cessation product) in the past decade. Nicotine "poisoning" largely results in similar symptoms to the caffeine poisoning symptoms listed above and ends in vomiting (or a pumped stomach), with no lasting effects.

On the other hand, poisoning from alcohol (which is far less toxic than nicotine) kills 88,000 people per year and can result in lasting brain damage.

So, nicotine is a poison...that has no documented deaths or lasting injuries when used as intended. To state the former and omit the latter is being a bit disingenuous.

 

[rbeckys8]

I do that too..I don't know if I will quit completely but less and less nic is a good thing for me..

 

[kristin]

...most of us...eventually breaking our nic addictions.

I don't know if that is necessarily true. In the 2013 CASAA survey of e-cigarette users, of the 5,073 respondents who answered why they continue to use e-cigarettes: 45.6% said because they liked nicotine, 84.4% said because they like vaping, 58.8% said because their family and friends don't bother them to quit smoking anymore and only 1.06% specified that they continue to use (or used) e-cigarettes to stop using nicotine altogether.

 

[fogging_katrider]

Kristen, thank you for that great post about nicotine. It does help alot to put this controversy back into proper context in this thread.

I must confess heh heh...I do love my nicotine
I am reducing nic levels gradually. Started off at 30mg, changed to 24mg when I discovered cotton wicking delivers the nicotine so much more effectively. And now playing around with gene's and drippers, I'm quickly finding out that 18mg is pleanty strong enough for my more hard core vape cloud devices at home.

There are however, alot of folks who want to quit altogether. Using vaping and gradually dialing down the nic content works much better than any of the other step down nic replacement methods like the patch. But you know that, I'm preeching to the choir mostly

off topic...
Thank you for all the great work you are doing with cassa.
I'm a wisconsin native born and raised in milwaukee transplanted to tennessee. I miss wisconsin often, but not all that snow and cold brrr

 

[kristin]

There are however, alot of folks who want to quit altogether. Using vaping and gradually dialing down the nic content works much better than any of the other step down nic replacement methods like the patch. But you know that, I'm preeching to the choir mostly

off topic...
Thank you for all the great work you are doing with cassa.
I'm a wisconsin native born and raised in milwaukee transplanted to tennessee. I miss wisconsin often, but not all that snow and cold brrr

Yes, there are folks who use e-cigarettes to wean off of nicotine and it's great if it works for them! I just wanted to point out that it may be a mistake assuming that is why most people use e-cigarettes. Unfortunately, that may lead people to conclude that has to be the "end goal" for all vapers and ignores the substantial health benefits of just switching - even if it's for the rest of your life. And I believe most people use them as an alternative to smoking rather than a nicotine cessation method. The great thing is that they can be used for both goals and both end results are equally beneficial. Even just significantly reducing smoking by vaping substantially also reduces a smoker's health risks.

I was raised in Milwaukee myself and my husband has family in Tennessee. We were just talking about possibly moving there some day - when all the kids have flown the coop. It's definitely COLD here right now! lol

 

[Exchaner]

Exchaner,
Ok now that MATH CLASS is over, heh heh heh.

I do know that reducing our nicotine intake levels "is a good thing" in regard to the fact that most of us are vaping as a replacement for cigarettes, and eventually breaking our nic addictions. The smoking "habit" part, for me at least, I will be happy continuing vaping as it does also help me keep my lungs in much better shape. It Is after all germicidal and has virtually eliminated the chronic lung infections I had been having with my copd/emphysema. Mine is "patchy parenchymal disease", and my doctor is very happy with my current lung scans now that I'm vaping instead of taking in carbon monoxide, burning ethylene vynil acetate copolymers, and the rest of the long long list of pollutants in cig smoke that caused my lung problems in the first place. In my case especially, it was the extra garbage the FSC laws put in the cigs that exacerbated my chronic bronchitis into full blown copd. For me, vaping is working just like a broncodialator and I havent needed to do any more nebulizer treatments since I began vaping. [/URL]

Thanks Fogging. Happy to hear your condition is getting better. Just came back from my doctor yesterday, and he told me I do NOT have COPD as we initially thought. Turns out my X Ray two years ago was misinterpreted/mis-diagnozed by the radiologist as showing COPD. The new one by a different radiologist came out negative. Perhaps it was meant to be that I was misdiagnosed. It caused me to quit smoking, and I do feel a lot better because of it.. I also know that the less nicotine I vape, the better I feel..Good luck and thanks for the math lesson

 

[Exchaner]

That discusses an effect on a developing fetus that makes them more susceptible to "emphysema-like" lesions. It's already generally accepted that pregnant women should avoid unnecessary chemical exposures, because developing bodies are far more susceptible to many chemicals - including those considered harmless to adults, such as caffeine, alcohol and prescription drugs.

That study doesn't tell us anything about smoke-free nicotine exposure to fully-developed, adult lungs?

I can punch similar holes in any study you can produce that claims nicotine is "safe".

 

[zoiDman]

Someone on the ECF showed me an effective way to reduce my nicotine intake, and I want to share it with everyone.
I keep two separate cartos, one at my normal strength, and a second one slightly lower. When the cravings are not that strong, I vape the lower mg, otherwise I switch to the higher strength. I went down from 12mg to 8mg in a couple of weeks with no problems. Now working on going down further to 6mg. Thank you the ECF member wherever you are for a great suggestion. If anyone has other ways to accomplish this goal feel free to chime in.

I Switched using 36mg.

About a Month later I stepped down to 28mg. And then shortly afterward, to 24mg. I kept in an Altoids Tin a Carto of 36mg in my Desk To Drawer.

I called it my BGICOE Carto. Only had to use it a Couple of Times. But I was Glad to have it when I did.

(BTW - BGICOE = Break Glass In Case Of Emergencies)