A Little Paranoid

[Rapture]

Where did you get the idea that water boils at 2000 degrees? On earth, water changes state at a much lower temperature.
How is the e juice reaching 2000 degree temperatures without changing state?

thank you for your time.
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OP.
Follow the money. Most "things" are banned because they are not taxed or they compete with a taxed item.
Greed is usually the prime motivator in prohibition.

and where did i say water boils at 2000 degress. Kanthal wire has a heat resistance of over 2000 degrees. Dry burns on coils using ss mesh and silica far exceeds 200 degrees.

 

[Izan]

and where did i say water boils at 2000 degress. Kanthal wire has a heat resistance of over 2000 degrees. Dry burns on coils using ss mesh and silica far exceeds 200 degrees.

And YOU inhale that?

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[Steven_]

I don't know if its "healthier" or not. I can tell you this, since i have quit smoking and started vaping i feel 100x better. Their are tons of stuff we do each and every day that are risk to our health, I'm the kinda person that i don't try to worry about every little thing that might hurt my body. They can do all the studies they want but always remember that back in the 50's they said smoking wasn't a harm to the body, but once technology advanced and they could do better studies they found out it was harmful. So who is to say 5 years from now that they will say vaping is bad for you or good for you i don't know. All i know is i feel a lot better now since giving up the smokes and switching to vape.

At one time they also said that a certain white powder wasn't addictive!

 

[josie wales]

All I know is that I feel much better and I'm happy I can finally throw a big middle finger in the air to big tobacco.

Ya, stick it to the man, thats what I'm sayin.

And really, were you not a little paranoid about analogs??

 

[xEtherized]

@Rapture, you made a really good point. I guess we will never know until we know. In other words we are just going to have to learn the hard way. Either that or just quit completely.

I don't know if its "healthier" or not. I can tell you this, since i have quit smoking and started vaping i feel 100x better. Their are tons of stuff we do each and every day that are risk to our health, I'm the kinda person that i don't try to worry about every little thing that might hurt my body. They can do all the studies they want but always remember that back in the 50's they said smoking wasn't a harm to the body, but once technology advanced and they could do better studies they found out it was harmful. So who is to say 5 years from now that they will say vaping is bad for you or good for you i don't know. All i know is i feel a lot better now since giving up the smokes and switching to vape.

At one time they also said that a certain white powder wasn't addictive!

Interesting.
Keep in mind though we pretty much have the technology already to conduct these tests. However since vaping is fairly new we are going to have to give it time to study the specific "long term" effects.

Sure you feel better after a long addiction with analogs, but when will the side effects for vapes kick in? We just won't know, yet.

All I know is that I feel much better and I'm happy I can finally throw a big middle finger in the air to big tobacco.

Ya, stick it to the man, thats what I'm sayin.

And really, were you not a little paranoid about analogs??

I never was an analog user. Only smoke hookah, I'm only in it for the clouds. I'm only concerned about this new found potential danger of Kanthal abuse.

 

[josie wales]

Are there indications that kanthal is actually burning?

 

[RosaJ]

What is the difference in breathing in warm air from an electric heater or cooking on an electric stove? The wire used for delivery systems is so minuscule when compared to other heating elements that I don't know if it even makes a difference.

 

[Rapture]

And YOU inhale that?

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no but i vape off it after. im not worried about fumes more about vaping liquid off a chromium 6 contaminated wick. no matter what the top of the wick is exposed to high heat. it has to be to become non-conductive. i know it seems like im trying to be offensive towards ss but really i want to use it. it works great for wicking. im just looking for reasons to believe its safe or not safe

 

[Rapture]

im sick of carto tanks. i want to use ss wicks in genesis tanks. i want to feel safe about it. the thing is there is not enought proof FOR ME to feel its safe or not. that bothers me. i did actually call a metallurgist though. I was told even at melting point stainless steel doesn't necessarily release chromium 6. I was told there has to be other factors involved like flux for welding or chromic acid. corrosive agents have to be involved. he told me that he would doubt there was even chrome 3.

but what gets me is why am i reading there is a risk involved id grinding and forging. is it because of the force makes the stainless unstable long enough to release chromium 6. actually it isnt even releasing it. its being created by stripping some -6 ions or something like that. basically heat alone doesnt do that i guess. who knows. maybe ill just drip with cotton and do sub ohm that way instead. i just like tanks though lol

 

[Rapture]

yes i agree with the first paragraph. Mesh just sucks as a wick period. its AMAZING as a capillary actioin wicking system but it has a huge draw back of being conductive. I know its possible to get it working and it works well but you have to fiddle with it forever, burn it with the hot coils, smoke or fumes come off the mesh. then you get a perfect setup and sit down to play a video game with your nice working genesis with a smile on your face and it gets a short or a hotspot. im just not into the constant babying of the mesh. If i knew it was 100% safe I would probably tray and master the material. but I dont so its not worth it to me.

On another note. I was about to sell my aga t2 and right before I tried one last thing. I took my 3/32 ss rope and wrappped a fat section of cotton at the top coil area. I was using individual cheese cloth string. There was no rope visible. Wrapped a 3/4 of 28 gauge and it read .8 ohm. I had my doubts but this thing is rockin man. The rope wicks so well it keeps that cotton wet far better than mesh. I am on my 3rd tank and let me say the cotton still looks white. I am using a clear juice though. but the point is that it doesnt burn. thats why i tried it with a clear juice first. I do tip a little and only take like three hits at a time. I havent actually tried purposely running it dry YET. Its working too good. The best part about it is that it tastes amazing. And I am sure the rope will be in perfect condition afterwards which means I can boil and re-use. It took about a half a tank to really get it going. Im doing lung inhales and blowing huge thick milky clouds. I actually love my aga t2 now and im so glad i tried this. the rope does the wicking and the cotton does the soaking. i keep my fill hole open. I feel almost 100 percent safe in vaping with this system. I will never get a metalic taste or ever get the cotton to transfer enough heat to the rope to be of any concern of chromium 6. Basically i feel as if i have a cotton wicked dripper with a tank. Cotton is cheap. rope is cheap. wire is cheap. I finally feel better after 2 weeks of research, worry, and frustration.

as far as the ecowool and ss mesh on the aga t2. I tried it. 2mm is what i used. it frays like crazy. it works. its hard to get over the mesh. but i wasnt to keen on it so it didnt continue. I just dont like silica type material. dont get me wrong for silica lovers i think ecowool is great. it seemed to not taste as good or work as well as the cotton on top. maybe it was user error on my part, i dont know. I can tell you one this though anything on top of the mesh is better than mesh lol.

Now im actually thinking of getting a magoo (ithaka clone) and trying a cotton yarn build. those look really nice.

 

[indoorsindica]

Some things never change. Cigarettes have hundreds of chemicals(That is pure B.s., btw. That list was permitted chemicals.Cigarettes would taste awful if manufacturers add all those chemicals at the max permissible dosage ).

Tobacco doesn't cause cancer (Forget about tsna and polonium stuff). Portable Asthma inhalers have PG(Yet to find one).

And then you have some inspired testing by some flavor supplier (That protocol by FA would never be published in any scientific journal.The same protocol repeated by some cardiac doctor/assistant .)

And then you have nano metal particles(Practically Absent in cigarette smoke) health effects of inhaling them is not completely known at ecig discharge quantities.

Nothing is safe when they are inhaled in to lungs save pure Air (Not even pure oxygen) and some carbon dioxide(Co2 is a major component of cigarette smoke , besides Air). Moderation is the Key.

Yes, Cigarette smoke has Far less chemicals than ecig vapor .

That the eliquid ingredients are NOn-toxic(At typically used levels) is a nobrainer.When the concern is about inhaling them on a continuous basis for long periods of time other issues like lung tissue elasticity,prologed irritation comes in to play.

I want some of what you are smoking

 

[Plumes.91]

Theres threads here with hundreds of posts discussing kanthal safety, same with silica safety threads, and mesh safety. If you use the search function you will surely find them. & ECF does have chemists/scientists that lurk/post here. I have gone through a few of the safety threads for each of these materials and from what I read, the opinions I've formed are: Silica is completely safe the way we use it. Kanthal is completely safe the way we use it. Stainless Steel mesh wicks are generally considered to be safe. The mesh, if heated to, what I understand is a temp that is higher than what we generally heat it to, can oxidize a layer of a harmful chemical. Take a look at the mesh safety thread and read it for yourself. Thousands of us are using this stuff every day. We'll see if we're all mindless zombies in nursing homes in 40 years. Challenge ACCEPTED!

 

[Rapture]

Kanthal is used in hair dryers. Toasters. Heaters. Amongst others. Does that mean it's ok to inhale vaporized e juice from it? I don't know. I think the msds of kanthal shows it's safe. Does that mean it's ok to vape off of it? I don't know


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[Steamix]

Many metropolitan areas - especially in the Far East - are easy to spot from the air : Engulfed in thick brown haze. Air thick enough and dirty enough that you can almost ladle it into a bucket...

And then they ban e-cigs for exposing your lungs to chemicals .

Puhlease...

 

[alopezg1]

I gave him that same argument too about how it can't be any worse than smoking cigs. But then he brought up how tobacco is "natural" where vapes are chemical. I thought that was interesting too.


So they can just outright ban something without any research to back it up? Did they even state why it's worse?

Cyanide is natural . As is arsenic, ammonia and anthrax. All of these will kill you. Tobacco smoke gives off thousands of harmful chemicals quite naturally, before anything else needs to be added. If you set fire to a large piece of wood in a sealed room , you will die of smoke inhalation, again, all natural. Saying ' nah man that's chemicals' is a very ignorant statement . It's that kind of mentality that keeps people buying the latest whole , multi grain , super antioxidised fare sold in 'natural' looking packaging. Everything could be argued to be 'natural' Just most things could be called 'chemicals' h2o is a chemical people don't seem to have a problem using that. It's just a matter of semantics. The chemicals in electronic cigarettes have been proven to be safe , the chemicals in cigarettes have been proven to be wildly unsafe. It seems to me as simple as that.

 

[alopezg1]

What is the difference in breathing in warm air from an electric heater or cooking on an electric stove? The wire used for delivery systems is so minuscule when compared to other heating elements that I don't know if it even makes a difference.

I agree

I thought the idea was not to burn the coil anyway? if you burn the coil it tastes like garbage , so you change the coil
or turn it down. The idea i thought was to vapourisze the liquid? surely you would notice when the kanthal is being burnt
and inhaled because it tastes like crap, and you stop. And also surely the amounts would be insignificant . I don't know

 

[Rapture]

Cyanide is natural . As is arsenic, ammonia and anthrax. All of these will kill you. Tobacco smoke gives off thousands of harmful chemicals quite naturally, before anything else needs to be added. If you set fire to a large piece of wood in a sealed room , you will die of smoke inhalation, again, all natural. Saying ' nah man that's chemicals' is a very ignorant statement . It's that kind of mentality that keeps people buying the latest whole , multi grain , super antioxidised fare sold in 'natural' looking packaging. Everything could be argued to be 'natural' Just most things could be called 'chemicals' h2o is a chemical people don't seem to have a problem using that. It's just a matter of semantics. The chemicals in electronic cigarettes have been proven to be safe , the chemicals in cigarettes have been proven to be wildly unsafe. It seems to me as simple as that.

Very nice. A very good point and an argument I actually haven't heard yet. So simple and nicely spoken.