A realistic view amid the panic
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It's those people who want to try D.I.Y or start building their own coils who are being preyed upon. Why D.I.Y in the first place ?. Because the vendors juice is too expensive, far too expensive !. And no matter where you go juice is basically the same price. So how much does it cost to D.I.Y ?. I recently found out that the vape vendor (Darkstar- one of the few great vendors here in the uk) i use to buy nicotine VG from sell their Plain VG at £9.99 - here : Vegetable Glycerine
I was buying mine from here for £16.99 before : 5 Litre Vegetable Glycerine EP USP Food Cosmetic Grade | eBay
So here's how much a typical vape vendor sells VG for : 100 ml Propylene Glycol / Vegetable Glycerine
See that ?, £2.99 for 100ml.
And you know how much cotton costs from a vendor. You can't say they aren't taking the absolute piss.
I can buy VG for £2 a litre from "Darkstar Vapours". "Alchemists Cupboard" charges £30 a litre (typical vendor prices).
£30 a litre !
Thats 1500% more than the basic retail price.
Are you really going to try to defend this kind of markup ?.
If they sold baken beans they'd want me to pay about £12 a can. This kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable whether you think it's ok or not. God knows what the government must think. Although now, i'm beginning to get the picture.
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Yes, that can happen, and you know, this whole thing reminds me a great deal of what happened with Prohibition. The Dry's would not yield one inch, ever. They were absolutely inflexible and adamant, never giving the least bit on their demands. In the end it was what ended Prohibition, the absolute inflexibility of those supporting it and enforcing it.
Takes two to close a deal.
One to make the offer, another one to take it or give it a pass.
Came across some DIY basics like VG and PG - sold as 'vape grade'.
Sorry, no such clearly defined thing as 'vape grade'
I prefer sticking with USP or their equivalents ( like PhEur, UKP, etc.)
Every fast-growing market attracts folks who are in it for the fast buck. Vaping is no different.
And there's also customers who will fall for this kind of price-gouging.
Government using that as a pretext to 'regulate' - sorry, won't fly with me.
Cuz 2900% markup is what BP considers a tight margin .
One to make the offer, another one to take it or give it a pass.
Came across some DIY basics like VG and PG - sold as 'vape grade'.
Sorry, no such clearly defined thing as 'vape grade'
I prefer sticking with USP or their equivalents ( like PhEur, UKP, etc.)
Every fast-growing market attracts folks who are in it for the fast buck. Vaping is no different.
And there's also customers who will fall for this kind of price-gouging.
Government using that as a pretext to 'regulate' - sorry, won't fly with me.
Cuz 2900% markup is what BP considers a tight margin .
The government want their piece of the action !. Call it regulation, or call it getting ripped off.
I think people should be Asking themselves a Simple Question. Are there going to be Any Other Restrictions/Regulations in the Next 2 Years that might Impact their Vaping Habits?
If you have Read much of what Mr. Zeller has said since the Draft "Deeming" was released in 2014, you would/should be Concerned with one key statement that he has said repeatedly. That the "Deeming" Rule Set would be a Foundational Rule Set.
Foundational to me infers that there will be Additional Restrictions/Regulations based on "Deeming". How Much will be Added or to what Severity? I Can't Say. But one thing is Clear, Deeming is Not a One-n-Done Rule Set.
There is Also the Change that is coming to the Office of the President. And the subsequent change that May occur to the Secretary of Health and Human Services. What will be the views of a New President towards e-Cigarettes? And what will be the views of His or Her HHS Secretary?
The is also the Possibility that the Majority in the Senate could Change. How would this Effect e-Cigarettes? Because Congress (believe it or Not) is where the Real Power lies. Many in Congress have said that the FDA have Not Done Enough.
A Person should Also look to the State that they Live in. Do you live in a State where Anti e-Cigarette Legislation could be Easily passed? Is your State Regulation "Happy"?
The state I live in which has an Assembly/Senate that is Packed Full of Narrow Minded, Delusional Do Gooders who feel they Increase their Chances of getting Re-Elected by playing the "Save the Children" Card raised the Legal Age to by Tobacco and e-Cigarettes to 21. And I am Not Willing to send a photocopy of my Driver License to e-cigarette Retailers.
So after considering All these Unknowns, and when I consider the direction Over-All e-Cigarette Policies have gone, one could make a Good Argument that things Might Not be staying the Same. And have a Very Realistic Possibility that they will get Worse.
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Current generation has not only forgot, but begged to give up our freedoms many times over in just the last decade.
Good luck with that.
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Then I have to ask.
What does the government intend?
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I wish I had the answer to that very question. Mostly all I see on this thread is supposition, guess work and paranoia. One person even said we are being attacked by the FDA. Attacked is a bit of a hyperbole, however, taken in context of the statement I understand its meaning. Vaping is being regulated. If were being attacked, the FDA would have banned all vaping products immediately UNTIL regulations were enacted. But this is rhetoric is common of many supporting agencies in order to raise fear among the masses and garner support for their cause.
We don't know what the final end result of the FDA regulations will be and quite frankly the panic that seems to have set in over "the end of vaping" is quite amusing. I'm all for prepping and having my vaping gear and supplies on hand. But c'mon people, I think many are rushing to an ultimate conclusion that is not necessarily going to be the case.
Look at it this way, cigarettes are legal, water pipes are sorta-legal, and alcohol is legal, heck the herb is legal in a few states and even our nation's capital. Yes they are heavily taxed and regulated, however, they are still available for sale. Once this impending regulation is said and done, vaping will still be legal. Will it be the same as it is today? I doubt it, but it will still be legal. Our options might be limited and it might be more expensive, but it will still be legal.
If you feel the need to buy everything in sight for your vaping needs, then have at it! Such is your right! Should the vaping industry totally collapse, I will most definitely have egg on my face, however, I'm not too worried about it. Should that be the case, I'll just make some toast to go with the egg and remember the good old days of vaping.
I don't vape in the realm of what will be approved.
I can't.
50mg @ 80 watts is what keeps me from going back.
So your opinion doesn't pertain to me.
And many like me for one reason or another.
I'm not being attacked. I'm being eliminated.
Except, for the first and only time in my life, I've prepped for this doomsday.
Those in the future may not have that option.
I'll be watching the lawsuits.
Tapatyped
DIY was the only thing that enabled me to keep on vaping, I just really did not like the taste of most e-liquids that I had tried early on. Without preparing, my future vaping days would be numbered. I do not believe for one minute that they are going to allow liquid nicotine concentrate to remain on the market freely. And I have a sneaking suspicion that individuals who formulate their own e-juice, will eventually be criminalized. Regulations are meaningless without teeth, I'll be anxious to see just how aggressive they plan to be on the enforcement end of their game.
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