No interest in subohm anything because my provari can't fire them. Problem solved.
A realization... for old hands and n00bs alike
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I know, I'm an opinionated elitist, but I don't feel a new vaper should be encourage to get an rba until they know the difference between an atty and a carto. Certainly there are experienced vapers who are just new to the forum, in which case more advanced information is appropriate, but many new vapers are bombard with suggestions of devices beyond their budget, comfort level and present skills. I have a whole thread about it.
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when I found this forum I read a lot and got lost very fast....I was very glad to have the new section to ask questions on and many kind people to explain things to me at my level.
Yes I had been hosed by a vendor selling me a 8.99 fast tech blister pack with only 1 battery and no explanation of how the darned thing worked. By asking questions and explaining as well as I could I was pointed in the direction of a basic and very usable evod set, and also directed to some WONDERFUL juice vendors.
Yes I do sometimes look at the wonderful mods and get gear envy but my little starter set is working wonderfully for me and has allowed me to find what flavors/nic levels I do and do not like.
My upgrades have been ones that could be explained as why they are useful to me(my kranger protank). I will be buying a spinner battery next week so I can see if VV makes a big difference to me.
When I have a year smoke free and I understand all the ins and outs I may buy the iTaste 134 (because it reminds me of Dr.Who's sonic screwdriver) or I may just have a stupendous supply of juices I adore...either way I will be happy. I do not see myself getting into making mods, wrapping coils or DIY juices but who knows that may change.
This forum has helped me get 3 other family members off the smokes and 2 others to GREATLY reduce the amount they smoke and for all these reasons I thank everyone that has ever answered one of my questions
Yes I had been hosed by a vendor selling me a 8.99 fast tech blister pack with only 1 battery and no explanation of how the darned thing worked. By asking questions and explaining as well as I could I was pointed in the direction of a basic and very usable evod set, and also directed to some WONDERFUL juice vendors.
Yes I do sometimes look at the wonderful mods and get gear envy but my little starter set is working wonderfully for me and has allowed me to find what flavors/nic levels I do and do not like.
My upgrades have been ones that could be explained as why they are useful to me(my kranger protank). I will be buying a spinner battery next week so I can see if VV makes a big difference to me.
When I have a year smoke free and I understand all the ins and outs I may buy the iTaste 134 (because it reminds me of Dr.Who's sonic screwdriver) or I may just have a stupendous supply of juices I adore...either way I will be happy. I do not see myself getting into making mods, wrapping coils or DIY juices but who knows that may change.
This forum has helped me get 3 other family members off the smokes and 2 others to GREATLY reduce the amount they smoke and for all these reasons I thank everyone that has ever answered one of my questions
I kept seeing the sub ohm threads, and really wondered why? What are these atomizers being used for? I am sure some are for e liquid but...? Now I just avoid them. Helped another family member get started the other day. Let her try out all of my stuff, and sent her home with some eGos. She told me she didn't want to mess with anything complicated. Which is fine, because why hassle if you don't have too? Not every person that starts out is an ignoramus moronic fool. All it takes is one or two that are. Then long behold- it's been ruined for the rest of us. The story about a B&M shop selling a new person a sub-ohm drip setup sickens me. I've been at this a little over a year, and still to lazy to mess with a RDA.
Okay, look, folks.
It's like this. And it's really pretty simple.
We want to start vaping. That's where it begins. But we don't want to look like Big Stooopids on some internet forum, so we do our research on the companies' websites, think we have good information, get our products, then promptly find out they don't work for shyte and/or that "equal to one pack of cigarettes" really means "equal to that drag you used to sneak out the back door of work and then throw out onto the tarmac" or that we're spending waaaaaaaaay too much. So we progress to that forum we were so nervous about...where we are then told we're Big Stooopids for not having done our research.
Think about that one.
Call me crazy (you shan't be the first), but...the reason most people come onto internet forums of this type are to learn something, having been burned (yar, har...har...oh, never mind) by the research we've done so far, because, well...the very nature of a forum is that it's social. Correct? So...we figure people won't mind actually talking to us.
...And then we get an entire thread dedicated to us about what Big Stooopids we are.
Look. Everyone started somewhere. Correct? I know we're annoying. I know we set your teeth on edge. But honestly...we're just trying to figure out what the real deal is, what we should actually be doing, and then sit down and finally have a nice, smooth vape.
Although I joke about it, I know I'm not a ...... Want to engage in a history challenge? Grammar-off? Spelling bee? Archaelogical dig? I'm your woman. Want to talk vapes? Still learning. Period.
Now lay off while I go try to stuff this Kotex into my carto.
YOU ROCK CaliforniaGirl! Very well said.
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I had to respond to your post. So I am not the only one who spent a couple of weeks asking many questions before I purchased my first setup and read all of the info and new member and health section before sticking my toe in the water. Thank you.
One of the hardest things to determine when you are new is who and what to listen to. I watched videos my first two weeks of people making wicks out of cotton balls and building coils and dry burning. It looks so easy, and of course, everyone wants to save a buck. I looked up every device and atomizer that was suggested to me until my head was spinning. Then I found some of the more experienced members blogs and read about what the difference was between an atomizer, cartomizer, tank and RBA. Read some more and went back and reread the blog post again. I still go back to them sometimes and link to them or refer new members to read them before making a decision.
The volume of information is intimidating. And I agree. Just looking at someone's post count does not tell the whole story. I find if people would take the time to follow links provided, the information might be more quickly availble and learned. Most don't. Once they find ECF a lot of people are anxious to buy their first setup or upgrade their ecig TODAY. Maybe there is a way to condense some ecig 101 info into a short series of blog posts that will provide basic info and pics that someone can read in an evening, instead of it taking a week or two to read through dozens of pages of very detailed and sometimes outdated information. Just a thought.
In the New Members posts you can usually tell who has the electrical engineering degree and who is the college kid looking to blow big clouds. Most experienced members posting there taylor their advice accordingly. You can't control other people from posting their point of view. You can only hope that the op has the sense to tell the difference. Only other thought is to post a preamble like at the beginning of the DIY forum regarding posting and posters in the New Member forum. How do you best help these new people? And I am still one of them and since I have too many posts I can not start a thread there. Thank goodness I found a few threads where I can ask questions and trust the advice given.
Sometimes too much information is as bad as none. When your eyes glaze over and the numbers blur and you are not good at math or electronics it is hard to absorb all the great info here.
One of the hardest things to determine when you are new is who and what to listen to. I watched videos my first two weeks of people making wicks out of cotton balls and building coils and dry burning. It looks so easy, and of course, everyone wants to save a buck. I looked up every device and atomizer that was suggested to me until my head was spinning. Then I found some of the more experienced members blogs and read about what the difference was between an atomizer, cartomizer, tank and RBA. Read some more and went back and reread the blog post again. I still go back to them sometimes and link to them or refer new members to read them before making a decision.
The volume of information is intimidating. And I agree. Just looking at someone's post count does not tell the whole story. I find if people would take the time to follow links provided, the information might be more quickly availble and learned. Most don't. Once they find ECF a lot of people are anxious to buy their first setup or upgrade their ecig TODAY. Maybe there is a way to condense some ecig 101 info into a short series of blog posts that will provide basic info and pics that someone can read in an evening, instead of it taking a week or two to read through dozens of pages of very detailed and sometimes outdated information. Just a thought.
In the New Members posts you can usually tell who has the electrical engineering degree and who is the college kid looking to blow big clouds. Most experienced members posting there taylor their advice accordingly. You can't control other people from posting their point of view. You can only hope that the op has the sense to tell the difference. Only other thought is to post a preamble like at the beginning of the DIY forum regarding posting and posters in the New Member forum. How do you best help these new people? And I am still one of them and since I have too many posts I can not start a thread there. Thank goodness I found a few threads where I can ask questions and trust the advice given.
Sometimes too much information is as bad as none. When your eyes glaze over and the numbers blur and you are not good at math or electronics it is hard to absorb all the great info here.
Aha there's your problem, you're using a sanitary napkin! Instead you should be using a tampon as the string can be used to pull the material into your carto.
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Just like in any special interest groups I've experienced, the old timers feel entitled to run the show and offer their "gospel." They've worked hard with trial and error for a long time. The "newbs" get hated on for any ingenuity simply because they are newbs and couldn't possibly know anything without having gone through what the old timers have.
For some of us, this isn't that complicated. I'll agree that alot of newcomers won't have the electrical knowledge and could be dangerous, but that is their problem. For some of us, this is a new hobby with old knowledge. And yes, I have a mess of panasonic 18650 batteries I recovered from a laptop. Same exact batteries alot of you pay big bucks for. But I also know the chemistry isn't something I'll run in a mech. Ahh that knowledge thingy. I see myself in the near future messing with voltage regulation circuits and I might even take apart some high-end toasters since they seam to do their job so well. but but but I've only been vaping for a month... ya i dont care. Electricity has been around forever and it still behaves the same.
This "road" is a public road, nobody will or should tell me that I cannot travel it regardless of what you think my level of knowledge is or perceived experience with vaping. Elitist control freaks need to understand some people know more about your tenured-position in this hobby than you do. Just makes me upset when I see negative posts against things that could be beneficial to everyone. Necessity is the mother of invention and I would hate to see people get discouraged by a community for being innovative.
For some of us, this isn't that complicated. I'll agree that alot of newcomers won't have the electrical knowledge and could be dangerous, but that is their problem. For some of us, this is a new hobby with old knowledge. And yes, I have a mess of panasonic 18650 batteries I recovered from a laptop. Same exact batteries alot of you pay big bucks for. But I also know the chemistry isn't something I'll run in a mech. Ahh that knowledge thingy. I see myself in the near future messing with voltage regulation circuits and I might even take apart some high-end toasters since they seam to do their job so well. but but but I've only been vaping for a month... ya i dont care. Electricity has been around forever and it still behaves the same.
This "road" is a public road, nobody will or should tell me that I cannot travel it regardless of what you think my level of knowledge is or perceived experience with vaping. Elitist control freaks need to understand some people know more about your tenured-position in this hobby than you do. Just makes me upset when I see negative posts against things that could be beneficial to everyone. Necessity is the mother of invention and I would hate to see people get discouraged by a community for being innovative.
I was on this forum long before I joined this forum.
I made a decision to quit smoking and started researching everything I could about vaping. People are so quick to say "search" but check this out...you'd be surprised how many Google searches pull up a gazillion threads right here on ECF that "might" be remotely related to your inquiry.
I've sat here and read entire posts--all 400+ replies only to discover that particular search was a waste of time and instead of providing answers, it provided more questions which lead to more searching which lead to more post here to read.
People are quick to say the answers are all here and it's immediately assumed you must not have searched if you deem asking a question necessary.
I'm a pretty fast learner and retain information very well so the devices I'm using, n00b or not, I'm ready for.
I wouldn't have purchased a mech mod if I had no clue how to use it--but that's just me.
As it's hard to filter out via forums, the good, bad and unnecessary posts it's just as hard on YouTube.
I cant count how many videos I've watched looking for one that SPECIFICALLY addresses a question in my head and the answer hasn't come from a PBusardo, GrimmGreen or Todd as directed by forum members to check out their vids.
I've gotten many answers from oddly enough, people who may not have a huge subscriber base and aren't trying to produce the hugest cloud of vapor.
I made a decision to quit smoking and started researching everything I could about vaping. People are so quick to say "search" but check this out...you'd be surprised how many Google searches pull up a gazillion threads right here on ECF that "might" be remotely related to your inquiry.
I've sat here and read entire posts--all 400+ replies only to discover that particular search was a waste of time and instead of providing answers, it provided more questions which lead to more searching which lead to more post here to read.
People are quick to say the answers are all here and it's immediately assumed you must not have searched if you deem asking a question necessary.
I'm a pretty fast learner and retain information very well so the devices I'm using, n00b or not, I'm ready for.
I wouldn't have purchased a mech mod if I had no clue how to use it--but that's just me.
As it's hard to filter out via forums, the good, bad and unnecessary posts it's just as hard on YouTube.
I cant count how many videos I've watched looking for one that SPECIFICALLY addresses a question in my head and the answer hasn't come from a PBusardo, GrimmGreen or Todd as directed by forum members to check out their vids.
I've gotten many answers from oddly enough, people who may not have a huge subscriber base and aren't trying to produce the hugest cloud of vapor.
You have missed the point of the OPs post. You would do well to reread it. He was not speaking of people who DO know what they're doing. He was speaking about people who do not know what they're doing yet some how are in an advanced vaping niche when they don't have the knowledge to play there safely.
Aha there's your problem, you're using a sanitary napkin! Instead you should be using a tampon as the string can be used to pull the material into your carto.
God. I KNEW it.
Sigh. Well, I'm off to go dig out wads of space age absorbent material of extremely questionable origin.
That's exactly how I found this forum. Searching "e-cig+cartridge+chemical+taste" and about a hundred other searches.
I tend to over-research and that often just confuses the issue, given the boggling amount of results one can get (and how conflicting they can be). I eventually just settled on ECF and read and read...then I joined. - Status
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