About my business and recent claims

[ApOsTle51]

Well, The job of the "R & C department" is to research them all then copy the best. ;-}

To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

From the reviews of other members, i gather that the intellicig is just a rebranded M401. Not that it matters though cos they are selling it cheaper actually, minus the shipping of course.




No, it doesn't make him a bad guy. But i agree with parked. It does make him look suspicious and ppl have the right to be cautious.

It does not have anything to do with how the Chinese operate cos I don't know of any decent Chinese factory owners selling knock off products on the sidelines and i know a lot of them.

It's a modified M401, not a rebranded m401.

 

[Fedor]

It's a modified M401, not a rebranded m401.

I'm not pretending to know any of this. Just a result of my analysis from forum member comments and reviews.

But do you mean they bought the M401 and modified it before selling it?

 

[Misty]

Daivd! Just got my USB pens & all the other goodies you sent -everything is just awesome..wow..I've never seen that kind of vapor and I can actually taste the flavors really well!
So great to have found another great supplier..
Wishing you a wonderful holiday & the best in the New Year - thanks for everything!

 

[Di]

fedor you wrote,

It does not have anything to do with how the Chinese operate cos I don't know of any decent Chinese factory owners selling knock off products on the sidelines and i know a lot of them.

I lived in china for a year when doing business over there, and the copy, knock off culture is alive and thriving !!!!!!!!
there is a whole ministry set up in all the large towns and cities, to combat the knock offs in all products, they call it false or counterfeit products,

our business partners were the council of the city we were dealing with, and we watched with great amusement the minister and his people every night on the news crowing about all the false cigarettes and cd's
and other products, they had captured that day with their diligent work.

we ate our dinner with the minister and laughed at the news video as they burned all the false product they had captured that day.
It is a part of the culture, and who are we to tell them what to do in their own country.

If you don't like it --- DON'T buy IT --
but don't tell people off for doing what is a natural thing for them in their culture.
Di ......

 

[Fedor]

fedor you wrote,

It does not have anything to do with how the Chinese operate cos I don't know of any decent Chinese factory owners selling knock off products on the sidelines and i know a lot of them.

I lived in china for a year when doing business over there, and the copy, knock off culture is alive and thriving !!!!!!!!
there is a whole ministry set up in all the large towns and cities, to combat the knock offs in all products, they call it false or counterfeit products,

our business partners were the council of the city we were dealing with, and we watched with great amusement the minister and his people every night on the news crowing about all the false cigarettes and cd's
and other products, they had captured that day with their diligent work.

we ate our dinner with the minister and laughed at the news video as they burned all the false product they had captured that day.
It is a part of the culture, and who are we to tell them what to do in their own country.

If you don't like it --- DON'T BUY IT --
but don't tell people off for doing what is a natural thing for them in their culture.
Di ......

I agree with everything you said whole heartedly. I never disagreed that what you said is true. I spent more than a year there in total and until now, still keep in touch with my General friends. It helps that I speak Chinese too.

I never argued that this wasn't the culture there at all. I just said that any respectable/ decent factory owner would not be engaging in the part time sales of knock off products. Unless of course, the owner himself is in the business of manufacturing knock off products to begin with. Since you are so familiar with China, I'm sure you know what i mean.

Besides, David is trying to sell his knock off items at more than 10 times the market rate to possibly unsuspecting US and EU customers. A high quality real leather fake bag of almost any brand is about RMB200 sold by these street peddlers. A white person might get it for RMB1000 though.

I did not say i don't like it. I just would not buy at those prices and from an e-cigarette manufacturer.

Who did i tell off about his/her culture? Get your facts right!

I will not be drawn into this any further as its just more advertisement for Mr Yang.

 

[Fedor]

Sorry, double post...

 

[grooovn]

It's a modified M401, not a rebranded m401.

Huh, does anyone know what modifications intellicig has done to the 401 ?
Maybe they have invented that 10 hour battery I have been dreaming about...

 

[Kate]

Some reviews of the Intellicig Evo say you can get eight hours from a battery. I don't know how that compares with regular M401's.

 

[Rockbassray]

Rockbassray,

Ya i understand what you are saying lots of people have the same stuff 901's 801's and label it with there company branding That's all fine those companies are not saying that they came up with it.


I'm just telling you my opinion ! I myself would not buy from somebody who sells replica items in a shop and then has products he claims he came up with by himself.

That just doesn't look right to me at all and looks a tad bit shady. Again this is my own opinion you can make your own judgment.

Sorry, but I have to "call a spade a spade."

Thanks

Parker

I understand where you are going with selling replicas on the same site you are selling your product.. but i don't see that as shady at all. i see that more of expanding your selling possibilities.. and if you are selling replicas of something else why not sell that with everything else.. I mean if you are a Replica purse seller and a ecig seller why not put them together.. who knows someone may buy one of your purses also...
I guess what i am trying to get at is.. if he was selling REAL LV purses and handbags you would find his E-cig more reliable and trustworthy of a real product just because of a completely different product is on his site?

 

[Bertrand]

The sellers of overpriced bags and other junk seem to jump up and down the most, but I think the real problem with counterfeiting is in medicines, safety and test equipment, etc. Pharmacists have unknowingly put these fakes up for sale, and customs have seized fake cancer medications, etc.

 

[parked]

I understand where you are going with selling replicas on the same site you are selling your product.. but i don't see that as shady at all. i see that more of expanding your selling possibilities.. and if you are selling replicas of something else why not sell that with everything else.. I mean if you are a Replica purse seller and a ecig seller why not put them together.. who knows someone may buy one of your purses also...
I guess what i am trying to get at is.. if he was selling REAL LV purses and handbags you would find his E-cig more reliable and trustworthy of a real product just because of a completely different product is on his site?

Absolutely!

By selling replica items on his site does not help his case. When people are claiming his
new e-cig is a janty copy or replica that's my point. It makes some people question what he
or she is selling.

That was the first thing I thought of while visiting his site honestly!

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

I'm not pretending to know any of this. Just a result of my analysis from forum member comments and reviews.

But do you mean they bought the M401 and modified it before selling it?

Whit has explained that they have the factory produce the m401 for them according to their specifications. If you know this already, then I don't need to explain any further.

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

Absolutely!

By selling replica items on his site does not help his case. When people are claiming his
new e-cig is a janty copy or replica that's my point. It makes some people question what he
or she is selling.

That was the first thing I thought of while visiting his site honestly!

By people, you mean Janty?

 

[Fedor]

Whit has explained that they have the factory produce the m401 for them according to their specifications. If you know this already, then I don't need to explain any further.

Thanks for taking the time to explain to me. But c'mon....If their specification is cost effective and is a better model of e-cig altogether, wouldn't the factory just do the same for all models produced instead? I'm not buying that......

But we are also seriously off topic. My apologies. Thanks again, doc.

 

[parked]

By people, you mean Janty?

No I don't mean Janty other people on this board question
Mr. Yangs product

 

[nicowolf]

The Americans have been making knock offs for all of our history. Take a look at our big 3 car manufacturers. The body styles become more similar with each year that they are out. Suddenly we are seeing remakes of the classic muscle car from more than one of them. The engines work the same. They all have almost the same stuff inside and outside.

We all take the best technology we can find and improve upon it, modify it, sometimes even rebrand it, then sell it. What David has done is take the the most popular and most reliable items out there, and started to improve upon them, then sell them. If we all had to completely re-invent the wheel every time we wanted to make a new vehicle, where would we be?

I, for one, look forward to more advances from David and others. They are forcing the real copycats to either progress or sell cheaper.

I don't think it is right to invade this thread with claims of impropriety. This is David's attempt to defend himself. He cannot defend himself elsewhere in the forum.

If you truly believe that David is copycating, then don't buy from him. As for the Ipod clones and fake designer handbags, they are not labeled as the real thing. If I want the exact Apple product or designer product, I will go buy their stuff and pay through the nose for it. I would be upset if the products David sold claimed to be the original branded merchandise, but they make no such claims. David comes right out and tells us he is manufacturing ecigs, some of which are his modifications. He is not slapping a Janty label on a 801. He is making an 801 with some features that made Janty popular. This is exactly what I hope to see in a competetive marketplace.

 

[trog100]

the problem with "knock off bags and watches" isnt the fact they are "knock off".. its the fact they are rip off..

the real brand name is a rip off.. the fake brand name is a rip off.. so is the artificially created brand name with an artificiall RRP price like wohler sold at a price way lower than the fake RRP one..

we are talking a five dollar factory price chinese watch or bag whatever it gets called.. when a western reseller marks the price up at least he has western overheads and a western wife and kids to support..

when a chinese seller marks the price up to western levels he really is taking the p-ss and making a f-cking chinese fortune..

trog

 

[leaford]

Janty hasn't been that innovative... ...Janty uses the same old technology that's been used since e-cigs have been on the market and merely re-package it and charge you up the bum for it.

That's just not true. They were the first to develop and market a manual switch penstyle or supermini, and the first to produce a USB battery with integrated rechargeable battery.

Coming soon, they have a new design of e-pipe, the first with a replaceable atomizer [EDIT: oops forgot the Ladypipe. OK, the first with a replaceable e-pipe atomizer that isn't just a repackaged pen atomizer) and the first with a manual switch.

Also, they have a pocket e-smoker coming which is basically just a USB flash drive body with a battery and atomizer connector.

You can question whether they really have patents, you can argue whether they actually own their own factory, there are lots of claims theymake you can legitimatly dispute.

But to say they aren't innovators is denying reality.

 

[threespeed]

This looks interesting:



http://www.sedansa.be/info/Omni_Presentation_EN.pdf



It's basically a knock-off of the KISSbox, but the usb cable looks like it might plug directly into the battery, and it includes a power pack using 3 AA batteries which plugs in the same way.

Seems anybody can produce a manual swich or a usb adaptor cause if there are any copy rites Sedansa might be in trouble aswell.