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I am going to ask this question because I can't seem to find an answer anywhere. Why did you chose 60mg nicotine and what was it mixed with (PG/VG) and why? I can't get my head around all the different choices. I want to pull the trigger on a small DIY set up to give this a try but the nicotine part make little since to me and I have been unable to find answers for why I would chose what for this part of mixing.Thanks

A couple of considerations:

PG could be considered "easier" because it carries flavors a little more readily and is thinner than VG, so it is a little more foolproof with regard to wicking and how it will work across a variety of devices. It also has more throat hit than VG, which some people want while others don't. VG creates more visible clouds than PG and can be considered "smoother" since it has little or no no throat hit. However, VG can be thinned with water, which for many of us makes it work just as well as PG. Most commercial juices have a mix of PG and VG, and ratios vary. Sometimes you will see something like 50/50 or 70/30 PG/VG on the bottle, so maybe you have a preference. If not, don't fret it too much. Personally, I like 90% VG, 10% water and no PG (except some flavors may have it). Some people react badly to PG and avoid it, and a few people can't tolerate VG and don't use it.

For a first effort, if you want to make a VG/PG mix, you might get your nic in one and buy a bottle of the other for the dilution.

Regarding nicotine concentration, the cheapest retail option for long term DIYing is 100 mg/ml by the liter. But that is a heck of a lot of nicotine, so if you are just getting your toes wet to give it a try, that might be way too much. Note that most vendors and vapers will call it just 100 mg, but that is short hand and the real units are mg/ml. You should understand what that means and why it matters if you will DIY, so if not, some reading is in order.

Also, the higher the nicotine concentration, the more hazardous it is. 100 mg/ml (10% nicotine) is the strongest most of us use, because it is widely available. Anything stronger than that and you should be an experienced chemist with a good lab before you open the bottle. There is a lot of info in the stickies regarding that which is worth checking out.

After reading that, if you are concerned or unsure about the risk, you should consider starting with a lower concentration. How low? That depends on what you normally vape. 2-3 times stronger than your normal vape might be a good start. However, if you vape 36 mg/ml, the 100 mg/ml is not as much of a hazard to you, but if it contaminates a food preparation surface or a small kid gets hold of it, that could be really bad. So back to reading the stickies about safety. 60 mg/ml is not a bad compromise for some people, but what is best for you may be a lower concentration, especially if you do not know any chemistry.

On that note, this is chemistry. A lot of people with no chemistry training learn to do this, but they must learn some chemistry to do it correctly. In my opinion, you should understand the following terms and how they apply to this before starting:

  • Volume (not the one on the dial of your radio);
  • Mass (not the one about going to church);
  • Concentration (not how well you pay attention, although that is important too);
  • Ratio (OK, I don't have a cute remark about that);
  • Safety (yes, back to reading the stickies);
  • Dilution (this is what happens when you add orange juice to vodka, for example).

There will be some math involved too. There are good calculator applications that will do the arithmetic for you, but you should know enough math to understand how the numbers affect what you will end up with. I recommend downloading at least one calculator and trying to make some imaginary mixes with it to ensure you understand how to do it.

Finally, if that all sounds like way too complicated of an answer to a simple question, you might reconsider whether DIYing e-juice is for you. If you start reading the stickies and decide it is boring and not worth your time, DIYing is definitely not for you.
 
I know too many questions! Maybe I should just skip this part of the party!

Hardly so, you will have more if you proceed with DIY. And I apologize if my reply above seems TMI or too pedantic, but there is risk involved and I am obsessive where safety is concerned. And the fact is that DIY is not for everybody. With that said, if you got through my obsessive spiel above and are not daunted, welcome to the party.

Start reading the stickies, and then if/when you are ready to pull the trigger, start your own thread and ask all of the questions that you have. One or more of us will help you and hopefully get you on the right track to your first successful mix. There are a lot of helpful people here, many with much more experience than I.
 

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The order I made from Wizard labs I should of ordered 100 mg but ordered 60mg because thats what the kit comes with and all the warnings can be a bit intimidating. Since then I ordered a liter of 100mg while its still on sale.
Working with nicotine isnt that hard even after you accept your working with lethal amounts. (thats the intimidating part). Here is how I look at it after reading about it here until I couldnt see straight.

*This aint no dress rehearsal. If high nic concentrate spills on me and a large portion gets on me its over and I am dead. Wear the safety equipment!
*Only keep the nicotine bottle open as long as necessarry.
*Premix batches of what I use as a base for adding flavor to.
*Close the concentrated nicotine bottle the second I am done with it.

Nicotine can be asorbed thru the skin so cut your chances of something happening by taking precautions. I like a %50 %50 PG/VG mix so I premix bottles of base juice thats %12 nicotine (first one was %15). That way when following a recipe I add the nic+VG+PG the recipe calls for and start with that amount. This eliminates the need to open the hi nic concentration bottle every time you make something. I am fine with anywhere from 6mg juice to 10 mg juice so its perfect for me and I get my nic solution in PG because its thinner and easier to work with.
I been using the recipe caculator on eJuice Calculator 4.0 | EcigExpress Archive Cookbook and it makes everything easy for me. I can plug in my base nic and how much I want to make and it tells me exactly what I need. To make a 120 ml bottle of base with 12 mg nicotine I just have to use 24 ml of PG 60mg nicotine, 36 ml of PG and 60 ml of VG and that gives me 120 ml of 12 mg nicotine.
 

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My bad, the premix base I made up is 12 mg (not %12) nicotine and the first one was 15 mg. I decided to drop the level on the second batch (2 120ml bottles) because I like my leel around 8mg to 10 mg lately.

There are many warning about nicotine on ECF as well as other places and it is because it can be deadly. Heed those warning. Mixing so far has been a lot of fun and the results are enjoyable. I am learning as I go but have only had one mixture I didnt like and that was because ot the flavor concentrate, not because I screwed up. (western tobacco sucks)

Many things in life a fun but have dangerous risk that you have to understand and take precautions on.

Cutting up on a motorcycle is fun but you dont want to become a statistic.
Flying a plane is fun but you dont want to become a lawn dart.
Sleeping with a woman is fun but dont get caught with the wrong one.
And
Mixing juice is fun but dont forget the safety precautions.
 

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Thanks for the replies and warnings. I have been reading, like you but did not see anywhere a reason to purchase 60 mg/ml over 100 mg/ml or vise versa and it was a question I had. I am also good with 12 nicotine in my juice and plan to lower that over time.
I have purchased several bottles of juice from various shops over the past few weeks as I am new to all of this but have found what many people rave about I find horrid. I have found that I lean to a sweeter fruit or candy mix. My two go to right now is a blueberry/honey mix and a skittles mix. I wonder about trying to "fix" some of the other half dozen flavors I have. I have a apple cinnamon flavor that I like but it is really harsh and thought that adding VG may smooth it out just a bit, I don't know I don't think it could get worse.
I also understand the danger, I have worked where I needed to use hazmat suits and have all of my tools, equipment, shoes etc... decontaminated upon leaving a specific area.
I will check out Wizard Labs and see what they offer. I will get to this just needed to understand the reasons behind all of the different offerings when it came to the nicotine, that's all.

Thanks again
 
Thanks for the replies and warnings. I have been reading, like you but did not see anywhere a reason to purchase 60 mg/ml over 100 mg/ml or vise versa and it was a question I had. I am also good with 12 nicotine in my juice and plan to lower that over time.
I have purchased several bottles of juice from various shops over the past few weeks as I am new to all of this but have found what many people rave about I find horrid. I have found that I lean to a sweeter fruit or candy mix. My two go to right now is a blueberry/honey mix and a skittles mix. I wonder about trying to "fix" some of the other half dozen flavors I have. I have a apple cinnamon flavor that I like but it is really harsh and thought that adding VG may smooth it out just a bit, I don't know I don't think it could get worse.
I also understand the danger, I have worked where I needed to use hazmat suits and have all of my tools, equipment, shoes etc... decontaminated upon leaving a specific area.
I will check out Wizard Labs and see what they offer. I will get to this just needed to understand the reasons behind all of the different offerings when it came to the nicotine, that's all.

Thanks again
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Hello Fatkat, Only reason I ordered it is because 60mg came with my kit and have since wised up. Have a liter of 100mg on its way now to stockpile.

One thing I do with bought juice is when the flavor is good but too strong I will cut it with vanillia. That usually smooth it out and I can enjoy it. There is one tobacco flavor that I love but it clogs up an atomizer fast so started thinning that with RY4 at a 50/50 mixture. Ran out of RY4 this week so tried vanillia and it came out real good.
 

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There are just about as many opinions as to "what's best" as there are folks that participate in this Forum! :)

For instance...Nicotine..here...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/298547-nicotine-comparisons.html

Ron

Ron is right, there is a ton of opinions out there. Seems that most people favor MyFreedomSmokes and Wizard labs but also only heard good about Nude Nicotine. What I recieved from DIYFlavorshack was fine. I have 250 ml of VG, 250 ml of PG and 120 ml of 60 mg nicotine I recieved from Wizard labs yesterday that I havent mixed up yet but if it taste bad will let everyone know.

Yea, I'm finding out that what base and what nic is "good" seems to be about the same question as asking what juice flavor is the best..... Taste is really subjective when it all boils down to it. I just wanna make sure the ingredients are quality to start with... Then if something doesn't taste good, at that point I either messed the mix up, or I just don't like a particular flavor. Wizard Lab is definitely one I hear about a lot, same with MyFreedomSmokes. I think I'll place an order from them soon. I am going to throw out all my old DIY base and flavorings and completely start over.

There are about 2-3 juices I really like at the moment, so instead of stocking up on a ton of flavors... I'm just gonna get the flavors I think will be needed to make something close to the ones I enjoy right now.

One thing I did seem to learn from before was that TPA flavors seemed to be better than most CA and FA ones. Not sure if anyone has some thoughts on that. Also, did TPA change their name to TFA? I've been out of the DIY game for a minute now and this is one thing that's confusing to me.

I hope I'm not hijacking the OP's thread with all my own questions.

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Gummy, dont throw anything out yet. Get some new supplies and make some juices. Then when your comfortable making juices experiment with the older stuff and see if its still good.

And dont worry about taking over a thread, I kinda look at this thread as the current newbie DIY thread.

Today I mexed up 120 ml of 70 vg/30 pg at 3 mg nicotine for dripping. See I have a TOBH and a Patriot for dripping but cant use them because they are too much for my lungs and make me gag. But when I was getting stuff for DIY someone suggested people use Smok 306 atomizers and found a 5 pack of them on Ebay and started using them to try juice mixtures. It was working well and I was getting a good idea what a juice would taste like without using a CE5 or T3s to teast in. Then I tried some ITC Berserker on it and holy sh--. That is good to begin with but beyond belief dripped. Busted out the TOBH and tried again and instantly went to gaggin. So swung by the atomizer section of ECF and asked for help from them guys. I learned that dripping should be around 70/30 mixture or it would be too hard of a threat hit and also someone who normally used 12 mg nic dont want to use more than 3 mg when dripping because of the way the nicotine hits you.
Never could get the TOBH to the point that I could vape with it but on there suggestion I ordered a magna RDA and I also ordered 4 mini RDA's because I can hit the smok 306 all day long without gaggin so hope I can at least use the mini RDA's also.

Well just now I whipped up a batch of Peach Cheesecake in both 70/30 with a lil over 2 mg nic and 50/50 at 12 mg nic. I did the 70/30 batch first so I could drip it on the 306 and see how it was. Not bad but slightly weak on the cheesecake flavor so adjusted the 50/50 batch slightly and it taste great!

I love mixing lol
 
I love mixing lol

I got a feeling you were a natural for this from one of your posts; you are methodical, patient, and willing to learn from your mistakes. In a few weeks I expect to see a post showing off how you have organized your 3,562 flavorings and 973 test mixes, and about how you have to share the doghouse with your pooch now. :)
 

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I and about how you have to share the doghouse with your pooch now. :)

Funny you say that. not too long ago told the wife I was gonna rebuild the dog house and make it into a man cave. Seeing how I spend so much time there I might as well be comfortable. Like normal, humor was lost on her and she looked at me like I was a ..... form outerspace.
I have to rebuild my water pump shed soon because its falling down and am thinking of going and getting everything I need for it and back the truck up to the dog house like I really am gonna rebuild it with all the wood in the back of the truck, drag my saws out there and all just to see her expression lol
 

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Gummy, dont throw anything out yet. Get some new supplies and make some juices. Then when your comfortable making juices experiment with the older stuff and see if its still good.

And dont worry about taking over a thread, I kinda look at this thread as the current newbie DIY thread.

Today I mexed up 120 ml of 70 vg/30 pg at 3 mg nicotine for dripping. See I have a TOBH and a Patriot for dripping but cant use them because they are too much for my lungs and make me gag. But when I was getting stuff for DIY someone suggested people use Smok 306 atomizers and found a 5 pack of them on Ebay and started using them to try juice mixtures. It was working well and I was getting a good idea what a juice would taste like without using a CE5 or T3s to teast in. Then I tried some ITC Berserker on it and holy sh--. That is good to begin with but beyond belief dripped. Busted out the TOBH and tried again and instantly went to gaggin. So swung by the atomizer section of ECF and asked for help from them guys. I learned that dripping should be around 70/30 mixture or it would be too hard of a threat hit and also someone who normally used 12 mg nic dont want to use more than 3 mg when dripping because of the way the nicotine hits you.
Never could get the TOBH to the point that I could vape with it but on there suggestion I ordered a magna RDA and I also ordered 4 mini RDA's because I can hit the smok 306 all day long without gaggin so hope I can at least use the mini RDA's also.

Well just now I whipped up a batch of Peach Cheesecake in both 70/30 with a lil over 2 mg nic and 50/50 at 12 mg nic. I did the 70/30 batch first so I could drip it on the 306 and see how it was. Not bad but slightly weak on the cheesecake flavor so adjusted the 50/50 batch slightly and it taste great!

I love mixing lol

I'm all about the dripping. I'm the kinda guy that rocks a dual coil dripper at 0.3-0.4ohms and can't get enough of it. Of course all the juice I drip at that level is 70/30 VG/PG or higher on the VG spectrum. I also love myself some kayfuns, which a nice 50/50 mix is good for.

The reason I was gonna throw out all my old DMV stuff is because I wasn't sure how careful I was at double dipping needles into flavoring bottles and because I think my base DIY and nic weren't a good quality.

Of course I'll keep my big glass bottles, needles, and other "hardware" gear. I can wash that good.... And I have an ultrasonic cleaner as well.

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When I started I picked up a TOBH and a Patriot. Got a caravelo and tree of life to fire them but I couldnt take the hit. I tired various sub ohm builds and all but never could take the hit. I would gag every time. So I mainly just used T3S's and CE4's and 5's plus some MT3's. I like the small cartomizers becaue I can keep them in a shirt pocket and do my work.
The other day i was using the Smok 306 mini dripper to try out some tobacco juices I been steeping and decided to hit it with some ITC Beserker and it rocked my world. Couldnt believe how much better it was and it was very good to begin with. Thats what got me to start trying to find why I cant use a dripper and maybe a mini dripper that I could use. Turns out a big part of my problem was my pg/vg ratio and nicotine level. Tonight I mixed up some peach cheesecake at 2 mg nicotine and was able to do lung hits with the TOBH so life is good. A dripper uses a lot of juice but man, flavor is unreal versus a tank. Yet I still will uses my tanks a lot because they are small, light weight and great for on the go. I can be at work and stop to take a few puffs from a T3S on an ego with no problems. if I bust out a dripper and a bottle while working on the flight line I probably would be called up on the carpet.
 

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Well guys today I made some Pumkin Spice for dripping. Also made a batch of Peach Cheesecake for both dripping and using in a cartomizer, and I am trying a tobacco blend called Gandalf.

Was browsing recipes earlier and seen a few strawberry cheesecake ones and decided to give one of them a try. looked in my concentrates and no strawberry (hasnt arrived yet) but did have peach. Mixed up a 70/30 batch and dripped it for a while. It was very good but a lil heavy on the peach and light on the cheesecake flavor so adjusted the recipe for it. originally it called for %7 cheesecake and %13 peach. I made the second batch at %9 cheesecake and %11 peach. now what happens after it steeps time will tell but this brings up a good point. A recipe is only a guide. Dont be afraid to change thigs up! After adjusting the peach recipe it mellowed out the peach flavor and made the cheesecake more pronounce where you can actually taste it.
 

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Tonight pulled a good one and have not figured out how to recover from it yet. Been using these little bulb droppers that came with the DIY kit. Well was getting out some pie crust flavoring and it slipped out of my fingers and dropped into the bottle which the opening was exactly the size of the bulb dropper....sigh.

On a positive note the peach cheesecake I cant get enough of when dripping it. Flavor really shines on it. The gandolf tobacco recipe I tried and slightly modified is turning out to be as enjoyable as my normal tobacco juice. I accidently mixed the two last night and it was really enjoyable. Still have 5 bottles of my normal juice left so might keep mixing them until it runs out.
 
Tonight pulled a good one and have not figured out how to recover from it yet. Been using these little bulb droppers that came with the DIY kit. Well was getting out some pie crust flavoring and it slipped out of my fingers and dropped into the bottle which the opening was exactly the size of the bulb dropper....sigh.

On a positive note the peach cheesecake I cant get enough of when dripping it. Flavor really shines on it. The gandolf tobacco recipe I tried and slightly modified is turning out to be as enjoyable as my normal tobacco juice. I accidently mixed the two last night and it was really enjoyable. Still have 5 bottles of my normal juice left so might keep mixing them until it runs out.
I pulled a flavor I'm calling raspy dragon that's been steeping for a month and its amazingly delicious. Put a raspberry custard, vanilla custard, blueberry custard, and a vanilla bean swirl custard into the dark to take a long nap

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