about to give up on cartomosers, help!

[Iusedtoanalog]

Hi scott, Yes you are correct, at least partially..... What battery is in the gripper? 18650?

If it is the 18650/18500/18350 version you have plenty of power(mAh) available. While your 360 mah device probably wasn't Strong enough to maintain voltage when attempting to vape(not enough mAh).... I suspect your liquid to be at fault for the record(too thick)..... some liquids do have issues with the filler and wicking in order to keep pace with some of us vapers.

 

[IntelligentDesigner]

Forgive me for being wrong and immature here, but I couldn't help but to laugh at the "condom fill" method when he says things like, "what if it gets away from me and hits my wife in the eye?" or "just comes shooting out the top there."

I'm just picturing Beavis and Butthead watching this.

But, yeah, I had a lot of issues with cartomizers as well. I gave up and went to a clearomizer tank. But the carto was wonderful when it worked properly. One of these days, I'm gonna play with the few I have left and see if I can get one working right again.

 

[yzer]

I'm back from dinner. Using this chart for single coil devices...

There are two versions of the Smoktech Gripper. The 18650 battery unit is VV. The 18350 battery unit is mechanical and will put out 4.2V with a fresh battery. A 2.0 ohm carto may fry the juice at 4.2V. Cartos with resistances from 2.2 to 3.0 ohms should work fine with warmer cartos at the low resistance end of this range providing warmer vapor.

 

[yzer]

If you have the mechanical mod version of the Gripper there are no electronics in the mod to provide voltage regulation. That means the mod will vape at 4.2 volts with a fresh battery and that voltage will steadily fall as the battery is drained. 18350 batteries are only 700 mAh, so the mod could produce warm vapor for the first half hour and cool vapor an hour later.

 

[Baditude]

I'm back from dinner. Using this chart for single coil devices...

There are two versions of the Smoktech Gripper. The 18650 battery unit is VV. The 18350 battery unit is mechanical and will put out 4.2V with a fresh battery. A 2.0 ohm carto may fry the juice at 4.2V. Cartos with resistances from 2.2 to 3.0 ohms should work fine with warmer cartos at the low resistance end of this range providing warmer vapor.

This is what I was trying to point out in my post Thanks for confirming this. I actually included the same chart in a link from my previous post.

I personally don't understand some people's obsession with low resistance atomizers, but whatever keeps you off the smokes.

 

[yzer]

It all depends on the voltage the unit is outputting to the carto. My Smoktech E-Power 14650 has a 1050 mAh battery. The battery puts out 4.15 to 4.20V when freshly charged but voltage regulation keeps the voltage output at 3.7V. That voltage will remain at 3.7V until the battery voltage drops below 3.7V, then output voltage and battery voltage will be the same.

A 1.7 ohm or 2.0 ohm LR single coil carto works very well with regulated 3.7V, but 2.2 ohms would be too cool for most vapers.

Regarding the chart above: if I were to alter the chart I would color light green blocks at 6.0 watts and below in dark green.

 

[BlackMidnight]

I would have to agree with Voodoorazor. If you want to eliminate the dry hits and keep the flavor, you've got to get away from the wicks (silica, cotton) and the fiber fills. You'll need to drip attys or find a rebuildable with SS mesh for wicking. You can still get some nasty dry hits with dripping, but once you get the technique down you'll be fine.

I like really long slow draws and I use a rebuildable. My boyfriend likes shorter hot draws and he drips. It all comes down to how you vape.

 

[yzer]

Cartomizers can produce excellent vapor but there is a learning curve involved. I use LR XL cartos. The Smoktech XL holds 1.8 ml of liquid. I vape a little more than 2 ml per day. I can vape the 2.0 ohm XL carto at regulated 3.7V for 2-3 hours before I get a dry hit, then I need to top off with about .7 ml of liquid. If I vape the 1.7 ohm XL I have to top off three times as often, not because I'm using more liquid but because the carto runs that much warmer at 3.7V and needs more liquid in the carto for adequate cooling. At regulated 3.7V, a 1.7 ohm LR is easy to burn if run too dry. Carto tanks are a big help here.

Carto tanks solve a lot of issues with cartos by keeping the filler fully saturated at all times. I don't use carto tanks because I put a premium on the ability to carry my APV comfortably and without leaking in my front jeans pocket.

 

[scott63]

thanks for all this info, , Baditude, its not an obsession with LR at all, i have been trying to use the SMOK XL LR carto merely because it came in the kit with my gripper mod (which is the mechanical non VV yzer) so i assumed, perhaps nievely that it should work in the device in some capacity. there is plenty of vapour being produced, at a temp that isnt too hot, im pretty up on ohms law, studying physics y'see.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Some. like myself, enjoy a warm vape and on my 3.7 volt PVs I use LR/ 1.8 ohms SINGLE coil cartos or a 1.8 Mini Vivi Nova. For those wanting a cooler vape I suggest a higher ohms but always single coil. Tanks, although having a learning curve, really do take away the hassle and worry of scorched filler in the carto. When I used cartos I preferred the condom fill but each to their own. I found, when using tank+ carto my cartos were lasting:
dark juice- 50- 60 ml
light juice- 80- 90 ml

but is 3.7 juice is dekang vg pg 80 20.

High VG will mute flavor...high PG enhances flavor.
As far as lack of flavor some vendors will add extra flavor if requested.
Best of Luck.

 

[Moonwalker]

If you are running a thick juice, i,e, undiluted 50/50 or 100vg, it could be a wicking problem. I use the Boge LR's on occasion but found out real fast they do not wick thick juices very quickly.
I do the initial condom fill, run them on anything from mini Ego 350mah to my eVic or Vamo pushing 7-8watts Normally they do a very nice job.

I am vaping all the time 50-50 on Boge LR, also was vaping 100% juices (AVE Gorilla and Boba's) and had no problems at all with wicking.

But I'm using cartos ONLY in tanks, just cartos without tank have never gave me nearly aroma that I like and need. Using them with tank is totally different story, like I'm using two different products.

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[edwleephoto]

I always soak the carto first before first use and never had a problem

 

[crxess]

I am vaping all the time 50-50 on Boge LR, also was vaping 100% juices (AVE Gorilla and Boba's) and had no problems at all with wicking.

But I'm using cartos ONLY in tanks, just cartos without tank have never gave me nearly aroma that I like and need. Using them with tank is totally different story, like I'm using two different products.

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Glad to here, but it's kind of a non point rebuttal. You know your mix, but not its viscosity. I have 5050/juices that are almost water thin and others that pour like syrup.
I to enjoy my Carto tank(boge) with my 50/50 Dragons Tear - Still my Boge carto has a terrible time when vaping my 50/50 RY4 from the same supplier. The only difference besides flavor is the thickness of each juice.

 

[Moonwalker]

And that is something that you could solve by punching additional hole/holes. There's no thick enough juice regarding the number of holes I can make if needed.

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[pHok_that]

Dripping atomizer would eliminate the problem with thick juices.
Some might considered it inconvenient to add liquid more often.

 

[crxess]

And that is something that you could solve by punching additional hole/holes. There's no thick enough juice regarding the number of holes I can make if needed.

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I concur - break out the punch

Dripping atomizer would eliminate the problem with thick juices.
Some might considered it inconvenient to add liquid more often.

Also - sometimes dripping is just not logical. situation dependent

 

[Caridwen]

Glad to here, but it's kind of a non point rebuttal. You know your mix, but not its viscosity. I have 5050/juices that are almost water thin and others that pour like syrup.
I to enjoy my Carto tank(boge) with my 50/50 Dragons Tear - Still my Boge carto has a terrible time when vaping my 50/50 RY4 from the same supplier. The only difference besides flavor is the thickness of each juice.

They must thin it with something if that's the case. Some suppliers do. If you ever have a bottle of VG, it's thick - like the consistency of vegetable oil.

OP-
Are you sure you're filling your cartomizer completely? Thicker liquids take longer to absorb on first fill.

 

[dooditskaylan]

I'm using Smoktech LR dual coil cartos and am having a great time. Great flavor, vapor, etc. Although, I am mixing Dekang liquids (Turkish, Cocoa and waffle, it's a nice mix to me, tastes better than turkish royals, my go-to analog) all 50/50. I'm just trying to make sure to keep these filled and wet. I'm also using an eGo RiVa, seems to work fine and have been using these for a week (650 mAh). No concerns here yet, but haven't been using these for long. They just drain the battery a little faster for me. Just my $0.02 I prefer these, easy for on-the-go vaping.