Adult stupidity !!

[epicdoom]

OP.
Yes it's a lot of danger about e-cigarettes/batteries/e-liquids. It's absolute true. So, down to the the point. Do you have a moral right to tell me what is good for me and my family? What i can have and can't in my house for sage of safety of my children?
You say guns are OK around your children - i say - not around main. And yes around your house you can do what ever you want (because i consider every one has brain and uses it and takes maximum precaution for safety of there's family).

You do know nothing about ppl lifes, like nothing (inside there's families) And run around and telling ppl what they have to do... not gona do any good for you.

From your situations, it was 1 ileagal fact - sale for minor - NO NO NO. Come and remaind stuff member about it. Getting involved into conversation like this... I wish i cud say - you saved the world, but NO, you didn't, all what you got - dirty mouthing with women in front of her child. Nothing to be proud off.

And do not need to tell me that guns are save for my kids to have around, because guns do not kill anyone. It's my house, my children, my guns, my ..., my... and I'm the one who will take decision and make a statements at my place. And if someone will just jump into my conversation with stuff in store and tell me what to do... well, not like i will mouthing back, but i will sure tell - mind your own business, period.

OK first I never told anyone what's good for there family's, I am pointing out facts about batteries and possible nicotine issues with children. your free to do what ever you wish with your family, I don't personally care. I can offer you advice on what I know, and I know the batteries for vaping can be dangerous. In the end what you do with the info is your choice and its on you. I never told anyone what to do ever EVER.

Second I never said guns are ok around any children My guns are locked in a safe in my room that was said already, and why I feel the need to lock them up. there is no way, shy of my kids becoming overnight locksmiths for them to access my firearms. furthermore my kids are ADULTS now so wouldn't mess with them anyhow, But Guess what I still have them LOCKED UP IN A SAFE.

Third I never talked nasty or ever with hostel intension to the lady, I was a gentleman talking, not yelling at her about how she was acting in front of her child and other people. I did tell her she was making an ... of herself only after enduring a constant 10 min barrage of F this, F that, you this, you that, over me suggesting not to let her CHILD vape. In the end all she had to do is tell me to Piss off and I would have, why because a dead horse is a dead horse no amount of beating will make it any deader. She instead chose to use profanity towards me flinging her arms around stomping and yelling. Honestly the child she had with her was more of an adult. I don't see a child vaping is good for anything, he obviously wasn't addicted to smoking she was wanting no nicotine juice for him. Now let me ask you if you saw an 11 year old on the street Vaping what would your think?? I would think hmmm got his parents vaping gear and vaping there Juice PROBABLY nicotine juice. We are trying to keep the rite to vape, the hostels are using KID sales angle against that, what do you think they would do with that same picture of a child vaping. It would be plastered in every news paper and TV station that the kid walked into a Store and was sold that stuff.

Maybe you didn't understand what I previously wrote, I can tell your English isn't so good. Or your like my wife and only hear what you want. At no time have I suggested I know what's best for you, your kids, your family, your dog, cat or house you do what you want. I DONT GIVE A HOOT. I will repeat I never said you should do anything. I only suggested its not a good idea for KIDS to be in possession of or using Vaping gear, and the reasons for my suggestions. Take it or leave it that's your choice, but actually read the words don't skim over them you'll see you made a mistake in your last posting.

 

[Laylel]

I will not quote, what you said, takes to much space. But one way or other we both came to the same point. Everyone host there's own house the way how he/she find the best for themselves and there's families. No matter what and who tells you, you still will do that what you want (or me, or anyone else). So.. it's pointless to poke ppl with advises what they do not want to hear. That's what i mainly wanted to say.

PS: English is my second language. Excuse me for my mistakes.

 

[epicdoom]

I will not quote, what you said, takes to much space. But one way or other we both came to the same point. Everyone host there's own house the way how he/she find the best for themselves and there's families. No matter what and who tells you, you still will do that what you want (or me, or anyone else). So.. it's pointless to poke ppl with advises what they do not want to hear. That's what i mainly wanted to say.

PS: English is my second language. Excuse me for my mistakes.

I agree 100% I even see it in my job A unit becomes dangerous to use and could hurt or kill someone, All I can do is suggest it not be used the customer reserves the rite to do as they please, But atlease I tried to be of help so I'll sleep well.

 

[edyle]

All states have this law Although it is no tobacco products.

Someone prior on the thread asked if minors could go into liquor stores. The answer is no. One must be 21 to go into a liquor store.
However, that does not stop parents from walking in with their young children to make their purchases.

Which begs the original question:
woman walks into a liquor store with a 10 year old;
the ten year old goes and picks up a 6 pack of beer, all the while the two of them chatting away and it's obvious the beer is for the child;
the woman stands at the counter holding cash, and the child brings the 6-pack to the counter.
What does the sales person do.........................

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I'll tell you what the sales person does:
The salesperson points to the security camera, and says: "Ma'am? I you trying to get me in trouble?"

 

[optsmk]

So I have been watching this thread since yesterday. It has been entertaining to say the least. Everyone seems to have an opinion and yet we don't really know why the mother was buying her kid an e-cig. Maybe it was because the kid is s smoker and she thought at least she was giving him a safer alternative to smoking. Or maybe it was because she was doing something more evil like trying to get her 11 year old child addicted to nicotine, or even alcohol as well. I have no idea, so I really can't say who was right or wrong. But the more I read this thread, the more I am thinking...

 

[Amraann]

Which begs the original question:
woman walks into a liquor store with a 10 year old;
the ten year old goes and picks up a 6 pack of beer, all the while the two of them chatting away and it's obvious the beer is for the child;
the woman stands at the counter holding cash, and the child brings the 6-pack to the counter.
What does the sales person do.........................

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I'll tell you what the sales person does:
The salesperson points to the security camera, and says: "Ma'am? I you trying to get me in trouble?"

Refuse the sale!
Reminds me of something that I witnessed once.

I was in a convenience store some years back. A mother was in the store with two boys about 10 or 11 ish.
She told them they could get a soda or whatever..
They picked out Mike's Hard Lemonade. I do not know for sure if the boys actually knew what they were picking out. I do know that the mother had no clue at all that it was alcohol.
I told her.
The store clerk was not in anyway paying attention to the conversation so he was about to ring up the Mike's and the mother, being clueless, would have let them drink it.

She actually thanked me.

 

[Amraann]

So I have been watching this thread since yesterday. It has been entertaining to say the least. Everyone seems to have an opinion and yet we don't really know why the mother was buying her kid an e-cig. Maybe it was because the kid is s smoker and she thought at least she was giving him a safer alternative to smoking. Or maybe it was because she was doing something more evil like trying to get her 11 year old child addicted to nicotine, or even alcohol as well. I have no idea, so I really can't say who was right or wrong. But the more I read this thread, the more I am thinking...

Does it even matter why the bad parent was buying it? An 11yo being a smoker?
That in itself screams BAD parent to me, in this day and age.

An 11 yo does not have money unless mom gives it. They cannot buy cigs on their own. And lets, for the sake of conversation, say that the 11 yo was smoking?
As a parent there are plenty of options. Like punishing him!

No allowance, no friends over, no going to friends homes.
I never let my children go to homes of friends unless I knew the parents.

It just seems like many parents no longer parent. They just want to be cool friends.

 

[optsmk]

Does it even matter why the bad parent was buying it? An 11yo being a smoker?
That in itself screams BAD parent to me, in this day and age.

An 11 yo does not have money unless mom gives it. They cannot buy cigs on their own. And lets, for the sake of conversation, say that the 11 yo was smoking?
As a parent there are plenty of options. Like punishing him!

No allowance, no friends over, no going to friends homes.
I never let my children go to homes of friends unless I knew the parents.

It just seems like many parents no longer parent. They just want to be cool friends.

Hahaaaa, you know what? When I was in high school back in the late 70's you could smoke at school if you got a note from your parents. What's up with that?
The point I was making is that people do what people do. We have no control over that. I know I would not buy my son an e cig when he was 11 and it sounds like you wouldn't either. But the more we sit here and give out opinions, the more we sound like pompous fools sitting on our high horses.

 

[epicdoom]

Does it even matter why the bad parent was buying it? An 11yo being a smoker?
That in itself screams BAD parent to me, in this day and age.

An 11 yo does not have money unless mom gives it. They cannot buy cigs on their own. And lets, for the sake of conversation, say that the 11 yo was smoking?
As a parent there are plenty of options. Like punishing him!

No allowance, no friends over, no going to friends homes.
I never let my children go to homes of friends unless I knew the parents.

It just seems like many parents no longer parent. They just want to be cool friends.

Truer words Never spoken TY brother.
I don't think the problem was the kid hooked on Cigarettes she said she wasn't getting Him Juice with Nicotine in it. I at that point assumed the kid sees adults or maybe his friends with Vaping gear and wants some to. I wouldn't have said a word if not for how bad it would look on the vaping community, and the dangerous aspects I pointed out. I don't think anyone sane wants to see a child hurt. I made a suggestion to the lady and was trashed for doing it. I wasn't telling her to not buy, I was only gonna tell her the dangers related, But I barely got the words Miss I wouldn't suggest you get a vaping device for your child, when she lit into me like I stole her purse. Would I do it again knowing what I know now, Yeah I probably would.

OPTSMK Thanx That's one of my favorite tunes By Metallica

 

[Chris Ardito]

You did the right thing with that being said. This what the FDA would need to put a ban on vaping.
All you need is one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

 

[edyle]

Truer words Never spoken TY brother.
I don't think the problem was the kid hooked on Cigarettes she said she wasn't getting Him Juice with Nicotine in it. I at that point assumed the kid sees adults or maybe his friends with Vaping gear and wants some to. I wouldn't have said a word if not for how bad it would look on the vaping community, and the dangerous aspects I pointed out. I don't think anyone sane wants to see a child hurt. I made a suggestion to the lady and was trashed for doing it. I wasn't telling her to not buy, I was only gonna tell her the dangers related, But I barely got the words Miss I wouldn't suggest you get a vaping device for your child, when she lit into me like I stole her purse. Would I do it again knowing what I know now, Yeah I probably would.

OPTSMK Thanx That's one of my favorite tunes By Metallica

You don't quite mean that do you?
You wouldn't take the same approach to a woman if you thought the person was stupid and likely to get angry?

You did the tactical thing by addressing the person behind the counter.

 

[epicdoom]

No way not the same approach that was met with utter failure, in spite of there being no sale made. I sure hope there isn't a next time being talked to like a Dog by a Female once is plenty enough for me.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Yea it could have been an episode of "what would you do" and John Keen YO NASE would pop out and say "why did you speak up in this sitchyation". Ahhahagagsg

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[JustB'nMe]

Based on what you described, the mother appears to lack good judgment. However, I agree with your thoughts in hindsight.....you should have kept quiet. I feel the burden was on the B&M to refuse to sell her vape products, especially if she was making it known it was for a minor.

I know what it's like to have someone give their unsolicited opinion about items I was purchasing, even when it wasn't for me. Of course, they didn't know that, which I not so politely pointed out.

My grandmother always told me not to stick my nose where it doesn't belong or I might get it snipped off. It's good advice and has served me well.


Live well, Love hard, Laugh often & Vape on!

 

[Midniteoyl]

Better check out Indiana HB 1225 that was signed into law in April and is into effect on July 1

This hasn't been updated since Feb. Quite a few states have age laws now.
Electronic Cigarette Legislation by State | Cig Buyer.com

Electronic Cigarette.. If you buy a battery, and then a RDA, that isnt included af far as I know..

Sec. 1.5. As used in this chapter, "electronic cigarette" means a device that is capable of providing an inhalable dose of nicotine by delivering a vaporized solution. The term includes the components and cartridges.

 

[Jman8]

So, ingesting is what we are talking about here...

So, cite the data about amount of children ingesting nicotine. I claim it to be very rare and a trivial issue with regards to children's health (as a total population).

Was mom in OP buying nicotine for the child to ingest? If not, then we are back to points I was making.

 

[Jman8]

Your blowing it all out of whack here, I totally agree that nicotine can be ok if ingested in small amounts, Its an overdose I'm talking about. And its true there aren't a lot of cases of it, but are you also aware that a test for that isn't done unless its suspect as a cause of death. That alone could account for atleast one possible death unreported as such. the main important thing here that's been pushed aside is Its a parent's responsibility to keep this kind of stuff away from children. Why would anyone in there rite mind take a chance with there kids life. Again you would probably had to have lost a child to understand. I sure hope you never have to feel that pain, especially when its preventable with common sense.

Disagree that I'd have to have lost a child to understand.

If we are talking about ingesting, I'm saying it is extremely rare. Such that going forward, it would be on par with so many household products, all of which you wouldn't want any human ingesting and so is irrelevant to issue that OP is getting at.

For a child to vape nicotine, it would be not a big deal. If we compare that to smoking, I would say far less of a deal. We know many people here starting smoking as minors and are alive many years to talk about it. Thus vaping/smoking nicotine does not kill children.

Plus we are dealing with situation where we don't even know if child in OP was going to vape nicotine. Add in this consideration to the discussion and I'm going to have to say you are the one blowing it all out of whack here.

 

[Jman8]

No.. You made it sound as if the batts are no problem. Someone else started the gun debate, but you seem to be carrying it on.

Here's the point: A gun, if left unattended, is safe. Attended or unattended. It depends on what the person is doing with the gun that makes it unsafe, ie: human error. A battery is not necessarily safe, attended or unattended. It doesnt matter what the person is doing with the battery. Yes, there are things you can do to make a battery less safe, but they are already unsafe to an extent all by themselves.

And I am saying that in overwhelming amount of cases with humans and batteries, they are relatively safe. They still carry with them a risk. As do guns. As do many things (arguably all things). I have not said a battery has no problems associated with it. And have said that the problems associated with a defective battery knows no age of those who may be around it. Let's take a 16 year old who is a minor, and put them in room where defective battery is causing possible catastrophe. I think many people, of that age, aren't going to show up utterly clueless with what to do. If battery is at point of imminent catastrophe, of the serious kind, it would matter not the age of the person near that unit.

Again, if you feel otherwise, then please cite the data where droves of kids are being hurt/killed by batteries.

Of the dozens of people I know, I think all of whom have used lithium battery at some point in last 5 years, I know of zero cases where there was an issue with the battery, other than it wore down and they had to get a new one. You are presenting it like every 4th battery has great potential for causing serious harm to its owner and those who may be near it.

 

[Jman8]

Honestly the child she had with her was more of an adult. I don't see a child vaping is good for anything, he obviously wasn't addicted to smoking she was wanting no nicotine juice for him. Now let me ask you if you saw an 11 year old on the street Vaping what would your think??

The no nicotine admission blows my mind that you chose to say anything directly to the parent. I don't fault you for bringing the matter of your perception to the attention of store operator, but with parent and no nic juice, I see it as your problem.

If I saw 11 year old on street vaping, I might think it is not my business to judge them, and for sure not right to persecute them. If I did think those sort of things, I would wondering why I am thinking so childishly.

We are trying to keep the rite to vape, the hostels are using KID sales angle against that, what do you think they would do with that same picture of a child vaping. It would be plastered in every news paper and TV station that the kid walked into a Store and was sold that stuff.

And if that stuff that they were sold was no nic stuff, I would have a really tough time understanding the adults that take issue with this. I'd want to dialogue with those adults to determine what the problem is exactly.

Our opposition could admittedly have field day with youngin vaping, but IMO, that is simply reality we are now living in. Our opposition has a conniption with regards to children smoking and given reality of all that is realistic and common, that is what we are up against politically. Vaping, to the ignorant, looks like smoking and idea of child smoking throws many adults into a tizzy fit. But AGAIN, so many kids smoke as minors (vast majority of us did) and do not die. I'm not one that shies away from this aspect of the larger debate, the idea that kids are going to continue to smoke, and live many years after smoking as a minor. But add in idea that child could vape nicotine, and while incredibly politically incorrect at this time, I don't see it as huge deal. Instead, I see it as far less of a deal than child smoking, which I also don't see as huge deal.

We now have laws pretty clear in the States for denying sales to minors for pretty much all tobacco products, including key point in proposed regulations concerning this very item. But kids are still going to vape (nicotine) and overwhelming majority will be just fine. Add in all those kids not vaping nicotine, but still vaping, and while that would make undies of ANTZ bunch up, I see it as such a trivial issue, I truly wonder why a vaper would take issue with this. Apparently some vapers are not clear on the fact that kids are used (or rather exploited) entirely as pawns in the larger debate.

 

[Verb]

All states have this law Although it is no tobacco products.

Someone prior on the thread asked if minors could go into liquor stores. The answer is no. One must be 21 to go into a liquor store.
However, that does not stop parents from walking in with their young children to make their purchases.

Not in PA. Tobacco laws to protect minors mainly go after the adult at the point of sale.
Legal for a minor to possess, use, and attempt to purchase (except from a machine).

Illegal:
to sell to a minor,
for any registered public school student(minor or not) to possess on district property or off property during a school event (nobody has challenged it in court, but would fall under any serious scrutiny),
And illegal for the minor to possess a lighter or matches for the purpose of smoking. So, a police officer sees a 12 year old kid light up a smoke, they can confiscate the lighter and the kid gets to keep the smokes. Also, very open to challenge if someone wanted to spend the money(your honor the office confiscated my campfire lighter, my smokes lighter is clearly labeled and in my other pocket). I don't believe any parent has been charged with endangering the welfare of a child by supplying their minor child with tobacco in PA.