Adult stupidity !!

[skoony]

two words.
compliance check?
regards
mike

 

[tj99959]

So, cite the data about amount of children ingesting nicotine. I claim it to be very rare and a trivial issue with regards to children's health (as a total population).

Was mom in OP buying nicotine for the child to ingest? If not, then we are back to points I was making.

 

[Midniteoyl]

And I am saying that in overwhelming amount of cases with humans and batteries, they are relatively safe. They still carry with them a risk. As do guns. As do many things (arguably all things). I have not said a battery has no problems associated with it. And have said that the problems associated with a defective battery knows no age of those who may be around it. Let's take a 16 year old who is a minor, and put them in room where defective battery is causing possible catastrophe. I think many people, of that age, aren't going to show up utterly clueless with what to do. If battery is at point of imminent catastrophe, of the serious kind, it would matter not the age of the person near that unit.

Again, if you feel otherwise, then please cite the data where droves of kids are being hurt/killed by batteries.

Of the dozens of people I know, I think all of whom have used lithium battery at some point in last 5 years, I know of zero cases where there was an issue with the battery, other than it wore down and they had to get a new one. You are presenting it like every 4th battery has great potential for causing serious harm to its owner and those who may be near it.

Not even close to what I was saying.... You claim people are blowing it out of proportion, but you seem to be the one denying that there even could be a problem. All I was doing is pointing out that these Li-Ion batts do indeed pose a risk. Just because you dont know anyone who has had it happen, does not mean that it doesnt, The world is bigger than that.

In any case, we could go on all day and I not gonna, so you win.. batteries are safe and you dont ever need to worry.

 

[tj99959]

Well it is true that every single e-cig battery failure seem to become front page news. So the problem isn't even close to what the media would like people to believe, but that doesn't mean that we should just ignore that the potential exists. The same goes for nicotine exposure. Living with our head in the sand is no better than exaggerating problems.

 

[Noble Gas]

+1 for 'did the right thing' at the vape shop.
Also an A+ for keeping your guns locked up and teaching your kids safety. My dad was a gun collector and I grew up around them, and was taught meticulously good firearm safety habits. So when it came time for stupid teenaged me to get out my dad's magnum and play around it when he wasn't home, I STILL opened it up and made sure it wasn't loaded, and wiped it down with a rag when I was done. Responsibly irresponsible.

 

[Jman8]

you seem to be the one denying that there even could be a problem. All I was doing is pointing out that these Li-Ion batts do indeed pose a risk.

I'm going to call this a mischaracterization, but seemingly doesn't matter because...

In any case, we could go on all day and I not gonna, so you win.. Batteries are safe and you dont ever need to worry.

I accept your concession for not being able to establish that li-ion batteries pose a significant risk, specifically to the general minor population.

 

[tj99959]

I'm going to call this a mischaracterization, but seemingly doesn't matter because...



I accept your concession for not being able to establish that li-ion batteries pose a significant risk, specifically to the general minor population.

Just remember that not all li-ion batteries are created equal. Minimizing what li-ion batteries are, and what they are capable of can get someone hurt. So be careful with that. We have had a rash of ego type batteries go off while being charged this past year. There are reasons for that, and thinking that they 'pose no risk' is one of those reasons.

 

[Jman8]

Just remember that not all li-ion batteries are created equal. Minimizing what li-ion batteries are, and what they are capable of can get someone hurt. So be careful with that.

I strongly feel I have been with my wording in this thread.

We have had a rash of ego type batteries go off while being charged this past year. There are reasons for that, and thinking that they 'pose no risk' is one of those reasons.

Would like to see the data on 'rash of ego type batteries go off' as rash connotes regular occurrence.

I have not said, even once, that the batteries pose zero risk. I realize there are people that might think this, but when in a discussion about what actually does happen and what could happen, I think the risk continuum matters. Otherwise, the whole 'zero risk' can be used as red herring to suggest general level of hysteria is warranted, and make points of 'significant risk' seem legitimate.

 

[Amraann]

Just remember that not all li-ion batteries are created equal. Minimizing what li-ion batteries are, and what they are capable of can get someone hurt. So be careful with that. We have had a rash of ego type batteries go off while being charged this past year. There are reasons for that, and thinking that they 'pose no risk' is one of those reasons.

Aren't those mostly due to people using the wrong charger?

 

[chaos-7]

Was in a B&M shop today talking to some of the local vaping guys and gals. I was standing next to a woman who had a kid with her 11 years old at best. She was buying the kid vaping gear, I'm not one to stick my nose into others peoples affairs Unless its a man beating a woman or parents who neglect or abuse there kids. So I Talked to her nicely informing it wasn't a good idea to have her child vaping I was greeted with many words that should never leave a woman's mouth. I wont talk bad to or talk down to a female so I turned to the guy behind the counter I asked him. Mike knowing that this lady is buying the vaping gear for her kid are you selling her that stuff, Mike said to me absolutely not. That enraged this woman And I got a crap load more of her potty mouth, It got to the point I just couldn't bite my tongue any longer and I told her what I thought of her parenting, her lack of respect and care for her child as well as herself And how much of a complete A^% hole she was making of herself. She stormed off and 20 min later returned to vent her frustrations on the salesperson still with her kid in tow. Needless to say the she is now banned from the store. I got on my bike and rode home. later I reflect on the event and I probably shouldn't have said a word to her about it and just let her do with her child as she sees fit, I mean its her child rite? I cant believe how stupid some people are. Besides the bad things that could happen to a kid using vaping gear there is the negative view it has on vaping in general and is just another reason to have it banned. I'm a parent so I know there is no parent manual to follow with our kids, but a little common sense goes a long way in that respect.

You and the salesman did the right thing, this woman is an idiot and should not be a parent.

 

[epicdoom]

I strongly feel I have been with my wording in this thread.



Would like to see the data on 'rash of ego type batteries go off' as rash connotes regular occurrence.

I have not said, even once, that the batteries pose zero risk. I realize there are people that might think this, but when in a discussion about what actually does happen and what could happen, I think the risk continuum matters. Otherwise, the whole 'zero risk' can be used as red herring to suggest general level of hysteria is warranted, and make points of 'significant risk' seem legitimate.

I'm tired of the request for DATA on every word someone utters here, GO DO YOUR OWN DAMN research. You obviously have your head up your tookas thinking that batteries are safe so then when one burns down your house or burns your hand don't file a law suit, or insurance claim. I bet your the first in line to do that though. Ignorance to the issues they can and have posed will no longer be your excuse you been warned here, and this is the last I'm commenting to your ignorance. 1 incident of danger is enough for an adult CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE EXPOSSED TO THOSE DANGERS PURPOSELY by giving them vaping gear they don't F((&^%$ need PERIOD

 

[Tempesta]

Back to the original post: you did the right thing. I leave to others to explain why the mother would think of buying vape gear for an 11-year-old, but it could get her and the vape shop into a lot of trouble if she did. in my state, no one under 18 is allowed to buy vape gear, and kids are not allowed in vape shops.

As to batteries: I will point out that, in the Dark Ages, when I was a kid, everyone seemed to have fireworks, and a number of kids blew their hands or fingers off every summer. Life has risks, and parents need to make sure kids know how to deal with them, whether it's how to safely handle a firearm, or what do do in case of fire, or why it's important to wear safety gear while riding a motorcycle. Aren't Li-on batteries used in model planes, BTW?

 

[Jman8]

I'm tired of the request for DATA on every word someone utters here, GO DO YOUR OWN DAMN research. You obviously have your head up your tookas thinking that batteries are safe so then when one burns down your house or burns your hand don't file a law suit, or insurance claim. I bet your the first in line to do that though. Ignorance to the issues they can and have posed will no longer be your excuse you been warned here, and this is the last I'm commenting to your ignorance. 1 incident of danger is enough for an adult CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE EXPOSSED TO THOSE DANGERS PURPOSELY by giving them vaping gear they don't F((&^%$ need PERIOD

I liked Midniteoyl's concession speech better.

 

[Laylel]

I'm tired of the request for DATA on every word someone utters here, GO DO YOUR OWN DAMN research. You obviously have your head up your tookas thinking that batteries are safe so then when one burns down your house or burns your hand don't file a law suit, or insurance claim. I bet your the first in line to do that though. Ignorance to the issues they can and have posed will no longer be your excuse you been warned here, and this is the last I'm commenting to your ignorance. 1 incident of danger is enough for an adult CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE EXPOSSED TO THOSE DANGERS PURPOSELY by giving them vaping gear they don't F((&^%$ need PERIOD

You are right, no sarcasm. But... again but. You can say that and put into a life any rules only for your own children.
I give my kids toys what i will run and take away from others even older then main, because i don't know what they can handle.

 

[epicdoom]

Back to the original post: you did the right thing. I leave to others to explain why the mother would think of buying vape gear for an 11-year-old, but it could get her and the vape shop into a lot of trouble if she did. in my state, no one under 18 is allowed to buy vape gear, and kids are not allowed in vape shops.

As to batteries: I will point out that, in the Dark Ages, when I was a kid, everyone seemed to have fireworks, and a number of kids blew their hands or fingers off every summer. Life has risks, and parents need to make sure kids know how to deal with them, whether it's how to safely handle a firearm, or what do do in case of fire, or why it's important to wear safety gear while riding a motorcycle. Aren't Li-on batteries used in model planes, BTW?

Some are used yes, but many also use the Li-po, lithium Polymer even more of a danger, those go from problem to fire in seconds. I understand that everything has some inherent risk. Its just not the same world we grew up in kids today have an I don't Give a crap attitude, Couple that with the natural forgetfulness of a child and its a serious issue. I sure am glad I wont be around to see the next generation possibly run this country, though I don't see how it could get worse then where we are now. In my neighborhood I pick up the kids bikes and put them in there yards, most literally forget they leave them lying around the neighborhood, This is typical Child behavior your riding bikes with jimmy one min and throwing the ball around with tom the next with no clue where your bike is. This is the issue I have with giving a child a battery that's known to have had issues, charging, discharging, and just laying around. Kids are to forgetful to be trusted with something like that IMHO. Maybe at 15- 16 Years old but not 11. Some things are reserved for Adults only and it should remain that way it gives kids something to look forward to growing up, even if its not a good thing like smoking or drinking. What part of Maryland you from.