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"Weak battery" warnings are usually an indication of excessive sag under load. This can be due to batteries that have excessive internal resistance, or it can be due to connection that's not up to snuff somewhere between the battery and the board in the mod.

The first thing I would try (and it's free!) is to clean the contacts on the batteries themselves and the battery contacts in the mod.
 

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Coil resistance is irrelevant in a regulated mod. She's using a Pico which is a regulated mod.

I understand that. But the above is how your regulated device calculates the applied voltage. Or at least attempts to calculate it (not all get it right).

Someone mentioned 7.4 volts with a 0.5 ohm coil at 50 watts – this is incorrect.
 

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I understand that. But the above is how your regulated device calculates the applied voltage. Or at least attempts to calculate it (not all get it right).

Someone mentioned 7.4 volts with a 0.5 ohm coil at 50 watts – this is incorrect.
well this calculator sucks haha
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Hi

I have 3 18650 samsung batteries which i bought about a month ago from a decent shop.
I have had my charger for about 2 yrs
My problem is my device is saying "weak battery" after about an hour of vaping this happens on all 3 batteries even after full charge and then when i place them back in charger it says their already 3/4 charged.The batteries used to last at least a full day,So could it be that my batteries have a problem or my charger or my device?

I hope this makes sense!!!

please help I'm getting very frustrated

thanks shelley

This is making my head hurt.

Seems like if the Pico and the charger were both fine, I can't see a way that a bad battery could make this happen. Even if the battery was junk you wouldn't have the Pico saying it was low, and the charger saying it was mostly charged. I could be missing something though.

Plus I think you said you tried other batteries with the same result.

My best guess is the Pico has a problem. Trying the batteries in a different mod should narrow it down.

Did this start happening suddenly, or get worse over time?
 
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well this calculator sucks haha
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That is still not 7.4 volts as you stated above.

In wattage mode, your device will read the resistance and apply a set voltage depending on the wattage you prescribed. This is calculated as such V = √PxR

Example: Voltage is Light Blue, Resistance is Purple, Power is Green and current draw is Yellow.

V=60 watts x 0.123ohms = 7.38 √ = 2.7 volts

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Edit: I did not see that you edited your post stating the calculator sucks. The calculator is correct but not for this application.
 
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That is still not 7.4 volts as you stated above.

In wattage mode, your device will read the resistance and apply a set voltage depending on the wattage you prescribed. This is calculated as such V = √PxR

Example: Voltage is Light Blue, Resistance is Purple, Power is Green and current draw is Yellow.

V=60 watts x 0.123ohms = 7.38 √ = 2.7 volts

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Edit: I did not see that you edited your post stating the calculator sucks. The calculator is correct but not for this application.
lol the power of the edit tool :D
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i heard pico 50w auto thought pico sq lol

posted that screen for its calculation steam eng tells me tis 5v lol
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lol the power of the edit tool :D
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i heard pico 50w auto thought pico sq lol

posted that screen for its calculation steam eng tells me tis 5v lol
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You can still achieve 50 watts with different voltages using a 5ohm coil, the current draw will be different. But that is not how a regulated device calculates the voltage.

Go over to the battery drain tab in Steam Engine. Choose a regulated device and set your resistance and wattage. The light blue Atomizer bubble will show you the Voltage and Current draw on the coil side. And the dark blue Battery Drain bubble will show the current draw on the battery based on the battery voltage and efficiency of the device.
 
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"Weak battery" warnings are usually an indication of excessive sag under load. This can be due to batteries that have excessive internal resistance, or it can be due to connection that's not up to snuff somewhere between the battery and the board in the mod.

The first thing I would try (and it's free!) is to clean the contacts on the batteries themselves and the battery contacts in the mod.

This is quite likely. I've had it happen myself on other mods that have screw caps to close the battery compartment. Make sure the threads on the top cap of the mod are clean and thread smoothly. If they're rough you may not be getting good contact at that negative end and a battery low each time you press the fire button.
 

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You can still achieve 50 watts with different voltages using a 5ohm coil, the current draw will be different. But that is not how a regulated device calculates the voltage.

Go over to the battery drain tab in Steam Engine. Choose a regulated device and set your resistance and wattage. The light blue Atomizer bubble will show you the Voltage and Current draw on the coil side. And the dark blue Battery Drain bubble will show the current draw on the battery based on the battery voltage and efficiency of the device.
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i got that first page lol the pico squeeze is a 50w semi mech lol
 

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well, faulty batteries could be case #1, we need OP to confirm if charging them with the mod leads to a new problem or confirm what we are afraid of, bad charger / damaged batteries...

Also, if possible take the batteries to a shop, the one were you got'em, ask for a check up, since the batteries arent that old....

i havent hear that brand of battery chargers, you better switch or consider:
Efest
Nitecore
for example...
 

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i havent hear that brand of battery chargers, you better switch or consider:
Efest
Nitecore
for example...

Golisi has been making a push into the vape market. Mooch even reviewed one of their batteries and found it performed well and the company supplied all the proper test and data sheets he requested. I've not seen a review on one of their chargers but the failure is more likely the battery mod connection, the battery, or the mod. The charger would be low on my list. If it weren't working I'd expect it to either not charge or report a full charge when their wasn't. That seems very unlikely as the battery reads full when inserted in the Pico. The low battery warning comes on when the fire button is pressed (unless I really missed something in the posts) so tough to worry about the charger at this point.
 

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My money's on a duff Pico ( it does happen) or duff batteries.... me being a man for simple solutions would try a different battery first ( one that was top notch in another mod ) and maybe another Pico if the ebattery was OK; if neither I'd look at the charger. Me I've never charged any Pico ever via the USB port.

Whichever failed I'd be looking for a refund or replacement.
 
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The description you gave (OP) is what i would expect to hear if the batteries were at fault. Genuine 25r's should be able to cope with the wattage and resistance you have quoted. The only way to be sure would be to try the batteries in another mod and see the results.
Alternatively turn down the power and try vaping at >40w for a while to see if you get longer vaping times disproportionate to the decrease in power.
I would suggest that anyone regurlarly vaping at 50w is better off with a two battery mod. 50w @ 0.5 ohms = 10 amps, your battery is a 2.5 amp hour one. That equates to 15 mins actual vaping time....
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Golisi has been making a push into the vape market. Mooch even reviewed one of their batteries and found it performed well and the company supplied all the proper test and data sheets he requested. I've not seen a review on one of their chargers but the failure is more likely the battery mod connection, the battery, or the mod. The charger would be low on my list. If it weren't working I'd expect it to either not charge or report a full charge when their wasn't. That seems very unlikely as the battery reads full when inserted in the Pico. The low battery warning comes on when the fire button is pressed (unless I really missed something in the posts) so tough to worry about the charger at this point.
you see, there is always something new to learn, thanks for the push there,
about the problem, well i have seen 1 Xtar charger leaving batteries on 100% charged when they were 50% or less .... so, could be a fail on the charger too,
 

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Drat. I was hoping you had a charger with a battery refresh feature. Golisi G2 doesn’t have one though.

I was thinking there might be no hardware fault at all and all you had to do was a battery refresh.
I’m Not sure of a safe way to drain down a battery to a safe but minimal level myself without one. There’s probably a way though. The big problem is you can’t drain them down too far or they have problems. Could you by any chance need a new flashlight? There might be one of those with a low battery cut off.
The big money solution is to get a charger that has a battery refresh feature. There’s almost certainly a lower cost way to do it though. For one it may not even work, and you could have spent the money better on new batteries
Sadly I just don’t know what what that better way is. Someone will though.

GL
 
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