I spent literally probably 3 hours trying to get my new aga working. I used the drill bit method and get the coils to fire good, but when I fill the tank my coils still light up, or maybe 2 coils light up red. I tried the next size smaller drill but to tighten the coil a little more to the wick but still happens. I wasted like a quarter or more of a 30ml juice bottle. Im using the mesh that came with the tank, its all i got. Please help!!
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sounds like voltage is too high. need to tune the coils with a dry tank. and turn the voltage down OR make a higher resistance coil.
I thought that too but at 2 ohms and fire it for more than 3 seconds the coils get red even at 3.7 volts on my provari, I watched videos and people can fire it for like 15 seconds before any coils get red.
R u oxidizing the wick properly ? You can have perfect coils but once you slide that wick in - the coils won't fire good if you didn't oxidize and you may need to get rid of hot spots and adjust the coils. I just got into this last week and I'm already through about 50 feet or kanthal and 20 headaches. Finally got my last one working - only oxidized the part where coils glow and did 3 juice burns then adjusted the coil once I slid the wick in. Did a few burns on dry wick to make sure all coils fired and then I filled my tank with 2ml of juice
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ok then next i would assume the wick isnt wicking or is dry as usually to get mine red when wet takes forever and makes the house look like its on fire, i also run around 2 ohms. 3.7 to 4 v
maybe put a drop or two directly on the coil and see if it vapes ok
when using the drillbit style coil -the wick should touch the coils but move easy when fresh.
edit: once its all set up before adding juice i would also adjust the coils to glow evenly then check the ohms again. i have seen coils test ok then after adjustment a short appears and drops the resistance. it should stay steady not fluctuate.
one thing not mentioned is what gauge wire are you using.
maybe put a drop or two directly on the coil and see if it vapes ok
when using the drillbit style coil -the wick should touch the coils but move easy when fresh.
edit: once its all set up before adding juice i would also adjust the coils to glow evenly then check the ohms again. i have seen coils test ok then after adjustment a short appears and drops the resistance. it should stay steady not fluctuate.
one thing not mentioned is what gauge wire are you using.
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Also if the coils are getting red too fast on a wet wick then the coils arent wrapped good most likely. If they get red fast it means it's not burning juice and just burning air which is why it turns red. If u put a few drops directly on the coil and they don't burn red and they all fire nice - that means the coil isn't snug on the wick or the wick itself isn't working and wicking as it should
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i would initially think it is because of loose coils, or a bad wick. if the wick is not wicking correctly this can happen. is the fill screw in or out? if in try out, this really wont fix the problem but can help a little. also did you ox or not?
Yes at first I tried the Peter k method but I took out the wick and torched it then flamed it 3 times with juice. I'm using 32 gauge a-1. I tried the wick pretty loose then tightened it up some. I don't think its wicking right and can't get it to wick
I can try to help you although there are more qualified members out there (BJ, studiovap). My main atty is an AGA-T with a glass tank on a Telescope and I can tell you, its fantastic.
How many wraps are you making and whats the gauge of the wire and what type of wire (kanthal, nichrome). My setup process is as follows:
I cut 80mm mesh and torch it lightly and evenly.
Then I roll the mesh into a solid stick and roll it tight until it fits easily in the wick hole. I've bored mine out a bit so you probably wont get that much into yours but do your best. I find a tightness that goes in relatively easily, pull it out carefully, then torch the coil end very well until the wick doesn't want to unwind so easily.
Right after I remove the heat from the wick, I drip liquid into it which will vaporize and boil instantly.
That's all I do for wick prep.
As far as wrapping it, I do it a little differently but I have better results...I wrap counter clockwise around the wick 3 times so it's a 3/2 wrap of 28 AWG Kanthal and wrap the wire around the center pole CLOCKwise.
At worst I'll have a hot top coil until I poke it (while firing) and move the coils around until they all glow evenly.
Then I burn the coil dry until it heats evenly from a dead stop every time. So I heat until glowing entirely, let it cool 10 secs or so, then heat it again , etc, etc and I can usually see the progress being made...the first few fires wont be as even as the following ones, etc.
This probably doesn't help you much but maybe one of the tips might be the one you need.
How many wraps are you making and whats the gauge of the wire and what type of wire (kanthal, nichrome). My setup process is as follows:
I cut 80mm mesh and torch it lightly and evenly.
Then I roll the mesh into a solid stick and roll it tight until it fits easily in the wick hole. I've bored mine out a bit so you probably wont get that much into yours but do your best. I find a tightness that goes in relatively easily, pull it out carefully, then torch the coil end very well until the wick doesn't want to unwind so easily.
Right after I remove the heat from the wick, I drip liquid into it which will vaporize and boil instantly.
That's all I do for wick prep.
As far as wrapping it, I do it a little differently but I have better results...I wrap counter clockwise around the wick 3 times so it's a 3/2 wrap of 28 AWG Kanthal and wrap the wire around the center pole CLOCKwise.
At worst I'll have a hot top coil until I poke it (while firing) and move the coils around until they all glow evenly.
Then I burn the coil dry until it heats evenly from a dead stop every time. So I heat until glowing entirely, let it cool 10 secs or so, then heat it again , etc, etc and I can usually see the progress being made...the first few fires wont be as even as the following ones, etc.
This probably doesn't help you much but maybe one of the tips might be the one you need.
You have gotten a lot of good advice here. I wanted to understand RBA's more after my first attempt with the AGA-T. I decided to give it another try with the AGA-T+. Before I jumped into using it, I watched the Z Atty Pro set up video by ZEN. The AGA is pretty much the same RBA set up. Watch the video, then try again....It worked for me. The slow down, and take you time works for me, and Ive had good luck with it every time I set it up. Good Luck
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Agreed with everything here, but I wonder what resistance you're getting with only a 3/2 wrap of 28ga? Granted your wick hole is probably drilled out to 1/8", but I'm still guessing that wrap is giving you something <0.8ohms. Resistance that low will only work on a mechanical mod like your telescope.
Did you watch this video tutorial?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ss-steel-mesh-tutorial-video-genesis-rba.html
I followed it to the 'T' and had my first wick/coil up and running in about an hour.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ss-steel-mesh-tutorial-video-genesis-rba.html
I followed it to the 'T' and had my first wick/coil up and running in about an hour.
Aga-T+ (no modifications)
Cut 40x60mm #500 mesh (or whatever you prefer)
Wash it with soap and water.
Dry off, and quickly give it a torch on both sides. No quenching
I normally roll tight, but with 60mm it isnt overly tight.
Test fit the wick. It should be able to go into the tank easily..and almost seem to hang on the wick hole just barily before falling in on its own. If it takes pressure to get it in there....roll it a little...and try again. It should be a lose fit, but not just drop down.
Torch is lightly....dont overly torch it, just enough to get it red. Quench
Torch again, but use PG/VG or juice to quench. Let it finish burning on its own.
More PG/VG or juice and light it with a torch or lighter. Let it burn itself out.... do this 2 or 3 times.
Wick is done
Take your Kanthal and wrap it around the wick. I hold the wick and wrap on the right side of it.
I will wrap the wick counter clockwise. Do whatever wrap count you want. I like my coils around 1.0 to 1.2.
Add coils to get your desired ohms.
Insert wick into tank.
Take your negative coil and wrap it around the screw counter clockwise. Basically insert it between the screw and post and hook it back to the outside of the RBA. Take the post oil and wrap that clockwise. Basically hooking it to the right between the wick and the center post. I fell doing this lessens the coil distance between the wick and the neg/pos posts.
Adjust your coils to where they look even, and test fire on low voltage. I normally start at 3volts.
Work the coils.... bump up to 3.2.....work the coils..up to 3.4. Keep going up until you get to your desired voltage.
If you use 28g, your coils will be kinda stiff and they do not move around much. I prefer this...they seem to stay good longer.
I used 32g also...it is easier to move the coils to adjust....but also move around more and need adjusting more. In my opinion.
but 32g is pretty easy to get good ohms if you need over 1.2 for a Vamo or something. Or if you prefer higher ohm coils.
Just takes patience.....it will work. Took me several tries, but its pretty easy now.
Also, if you want to save even more time. Go buy a few #3 SS washers at a hardware store.
They are not required, but it does make it easier to clear the top coil hotspot.
You just want a washer that fits on your centerpost, and hangs over closer to the wick.
You can use 1...or 3...or however many...I use 2 under the top nut and trap my positive wire between them.
It brings my positive post over just a little and lessens the gap.
Cut 40x60mm #500 mesh (or whatever you prefer)
Wash it with soap and water.
Dry off, and quickly give it a torch on both sides. No quenching
I normally roll tight, but with 60mm it isnt overly tight.
Test fit the wick. It should be able to go into the tank easily..and almost seem to hang on the wick hole just barily before falling in on its own. If it takes pressure to get it in there....roll it a little...and try again. It should be a lose fit, but not just drop down.
Torch is lightly....dont overly torch it, just enough to get it red. Quench
Torch again, but use PG/VG or juice to quench. Let it finish burning on its own.
More PG/VG or juice and light it with a torch or lighter. Let it burn itself out.... do this 2 or 3 times.
Wick is done
Take your Kanthal and wrap it around the wick. I hold the wick and wrap on the right side of it.
I will wrap the wick counter clockwise. Do whatever wrap count you want. I like my coils around 1.0 to 1.2.
Add coils to get your desired ohms.
Insert wick into tank.
Take your negative coil and wrap it around the screw counter clockwise. Basically insert it between the screw and post and hook it back to the outside of the RBA. Take the post oil and wrap that clockwise. Basically hooking it to the right between the wick and the center post. I fell doing this lessens the coil distance between the wick and the neg/pos posts.
Adjust your coils to where they look even, and test fire on low voltage. I normally start at 3volts.
Work the coils.... bump up to 3.2.....work the coils..up to 3.4. Keep going up until you get to your desired voltage.
If you use 28g, your coils will be kinda stiff and they do not move around much. I prefer this...they seem to stay good longer.
I used 32g also...it is easier to move the coils to adjust....but also move around more and need adjusting more. In my opinion.
but 32g is pretty easy to get good ohms if you need over 1.2 for a Vamo or something. Or if you prefer higher ohm coils.
Just takes patience.....it will work. Took me several tries, but its pretty easy now.
Also, if you want to save even more time. Go buy a few #3 SS washers at a hardware store.
They are not required, but it does make it easier to clear the top coil hotspot.
You just want a washer that fits on your centerpost, and hangs over closer to the wick.
You can use 1...or 3...or however many...I use 2 under the top nut and trap my positive wire between them.
It brings my positive post over just a little and lessens the gap.
Yes I picked up some SS washers, the smallest I found was 4mm but its a tad big, but works. I finally got it firing with no hot spots unless I crank it to 5.3 volts with a 2.4 ohm coil. I also drilled my air hole to 3/32 but damn I think that's too much its more airy now. I'm getting good vapor but the throat hit isn't great, flavor is OK so far. I'm using the mesh that came with the aga, what kind of mesh is that? I'm waiting on my 500 mesh that's coming from okc vapor
I just got mine today along with the glass tube. This is my first rebuildable.
I used the wire and mesh provided with the RBA. Wick was very easy to make after watching all the vids.
My first coil (just enough wire for 2) popped. Re-coiled it, then it worked very well the second time. Turned out to be a 4/3 wrap and ended up at 2.0 ohms.
Does anyone know the gauge wire that is supplied with the kit? I think it's way too small. I'm using a VAMO, so I'm thinking of trying something with 30ga.
I used the wire and mesh provided with the RBA. Wick was very easy to make after watching all the vids.
My first coil (just enough wire for 2) popped. Re-coiled it, then it worked very well the second time. Turned out to be a 4/3 wrap and ended up at 2.0 ohms.
Does anyone know the gauge wire that is supplied with the kit? I think it's way too small. I'm using a VAMO, so I'm thinking of trying something with 30ga.
I am just looking at some of the voltages you are working with. It is often considered that there is "butter zone" for vaping between 6 & 8 watts. I know some will disagree and that is fine but a conservative approach may be the way to go at first. The two ohm coil you mention running at 3.7v is not ridiculously low. You could go down to 3.4v on a 2 ohm coil and still find it is vaping nicely at around 6 watts. The second set of numbers you mention where you try to run your 2.4 ohm coil at 5.3v is pulling 12 watts of power. Personally, I think this is way too much and I can't imagine it would taste very good. Get yourself a decent ohms law calculator and experiment within stated ranges to begin with as a rule of thumb. It is of course OK to push it a little and experiment but if you go too far you may damage your coil and burn your juice. When you first fire up your coil after adding juice, run it a few times at very low voltage. I have a Provari and start at the lowest setting (2.9v) and slowly work up to the "butter zone" in 0.1 increments. Take your time, start gently and build up to the target range.
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That's the downside of genny RBA's, they are not happy unless they are vertical...
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