Alexander Mundy's Magic Twisted Ribbon

[SeaNap]

WOW, thats some amazing stuff guys! My mind is just racing with all sorts of idea's now! I absolutely love the Idea of a "built-in" atomizer, by having a coil post that is a part of the REO body for the -, and have a center post that acts as + coil receptacle, mounting the firing pin (preferably with nuts to really get that solid connection), and have it be the juice nipple (tehe). It would remove ALL of the cheap 510 connections... I mean really why do we need to have removable rba's? As long as its easy to clean, and easy to recoil/wick what more do we need?

You guys must keep me in the loop with this stuff, its just too cool for me not to watch (imagine a little kids face smushed up against the window outside of a toy store)

 

[turbocad6]

ok, so few days now with the twisted ribbon mundy's magic and my conclusions are about the same as my first impressions, the twisted wire with much more surface area really amplifies flavor, too much so for my juice and at my normal power levels, but when I turn the power level down and pulse to avoid full cooking then it's great, I can get the same higher intensity flavors I could only get to before with much higher power.

what this does for me is 2 things, #1 is I get much much more battery life and 2 which is also really great is that now, with this twisted wire I can now use some of my other VV/VW devices that have 15 amp limits and even my evic with it's puny 11 amp limit. before on those mods the flavor would be muted and not as enjoyable as something at 20 watts or more. this also opens up the possibility of now using some of my 18350 mods too, mundy's magic is much more power efficient for amplified flavor in my opinion, before only a sub ohm high watt micro could give me the flavors that this stuff does at like under 10 watts.

now the flip side of this is that to me this flavor amplification does slightly distort the flavors too, it's almost like overamplification and over processing when it comes to audio, where too much enhancement is not always a good thing, so to me a low watt mundy comes really close to a high watt regular micro but the high watt regular micro may just be slightly more "pure" in it's flavors, def NOT a deal breaker and def a worthwhile tradeoff considering all the benefits it brings.

your mileage may vary depending on your juices and what you are used to of course and of course taste itself is very subjective and I happen to have a pretty sensitive palate and can taste subtle differences too I think, but let me tell you this stuff does have great value for what it is and this stuff is def worth trying, for anyone limited to lower watts to begin with this stuff is a must, that's my take on it, thankyou mundy for being crazy enough to play with stuff that most would maybe think about but never actually dedicate enough time to to see it through to this point and thanks for sharing it here, this wire is def something any serious vapor should at least try.

also, as an FYI, my first wrap that I did with different ribbon, I twisted that tighter and crushed all the big orifices it originally had and have that in a genny and it is also pretty good and similar to the actual mundy twist. I think that many variations of twists can be discovered and it may actually wind up fine tuning the amount of flavor amplification too. when I have more time I'm going to play with different twists, maybe a slightly toned down amplification could be found too, but twisted ribbon does def have merit and is def worth playing with in my opinion here

 

[SeaNap]

How well do you guys think SS mesh would work with Magic wire? I'm very interested in it because of the longevity of the wick, with the boost in flavor from this coil is SS now a viable option over cotton?

 

[turbocad6]

my concern there would be mesh contact to the coil, a regular round wire will have more "contact" area on something flat like a mesh twist, where cotton is soft and can kind of settle into the wire and give more contact. this stuff is almost like a micro barbed wire and a barbed wire laying on the floor will only contact at the points, leaving most of the wire suspended off the floor on these points. I'm thinking this may be the issue with mesh this is only a hypothesis though, only one way to find out for sure bro

 

[SeaNap]

That makes total sense. I also just read a post from Xobe on a different thread where he actually did try SS mesh w/ a magic coil (what hasn't he tried???) and he didn't seem to like it that much.

If I had the mesh I certainly would try it tonight, but I've never used it before so I would have to go through the whole learning curve, and right now I'm still trying to get a handle on the Magic wire. Mundy you make it look so easy.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

How well do you guys think SS mesh would work with Magic wire? I'm very interested in it because of the longevity of the wick, with the boost in flavor from this coil is SS now a viable option over cotton?

I know it works with a hybrid mesh over cotton wick.
But it is real finicky about the oxidization of the mesh.
It must be oxidized well or it will hot spot bad.
I used this hybrid wicking because I needed to keep the wick from drooping around the bottom of the coil with the Hero Hybrids.

 

[Xobeloot]

i used it on a solid mesh wick just for shiggles. I torched the mesh, no juice burn or anything special. bit of pulsing and prodding and it was fine. not as good as cotton, but doable

 

[Xobeloot]

mesh is just crappy on a goosebox. It diffuses initial heat into the metal taking longer to heat, it holds heat longer leaving caramelized sauce in the wick and drip cup, and it taints your juice bottle over time with repeated squonks pulling the juice sludge out of the mesh back into the bottle.

By all means, try it... you may love it! but expect your juice to turn a dark dookie color and have a severely altered flavor after a few ml.

 

[Xobeloot]

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[Xobeloot]

Ok... I felt it was time for a new Xobe original coil!

I present you with the Dirty Monkey Steam-Roller

Mundy's magic on a 400 mesh core wrapped in a 400 mesh skin.

Meters at approximately .4ohm

I would not suggest this to the coil newbie! I blew a few fuses getting it right

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[Alexander Mundy]

Xo is a bored monkey.

I tried mesh over before and it was a dud.
Did you do any better?

 

[Xobeloot]

Yeah man. it is actually a pretty successful build. I only collapsed one spring and blew 3 fuses to get it right On a stock spring/pin, it takes 3-4 seconds to heat and has a nice, cool and balanced flavor. On my modded box, it heats in about 1 second, maintains the same balanced profile, but in more of a "T-minus.... Ah crap, who pushed the launch button" sort of way.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Speaking of blown fuses......

If you take a RM2 completely apart, do not over tighten the little round metal piece with 2 threaded holes in it.
It will pull the 520 center connection up and before you even can wonder "what was that snapping sound?" you have a blown fuse.
At least it wasn't a melted spring.

 

[pdib]

So, here's a thing I'm gonna pay attention to. I think that for me, I like my MundyTwist without the wraps touching. ~1.5mm ID but not all micro scrunched. That was the way my first coil was, then did about 2 others tight, and now I put in a more loosely spaced coil again. I'm doing a 3/4 wrap at ~.4 -.5Ω, so, it being a triple coil anyway, it heats up plenty fast. I think I like the vape quality and the flavor better this way.

 

[gdeal]

I finally got to this....

I think this looks about right? The .6 x .07mm ribbon wrapped so much better than the .8 X .1mm or the .5 x .1mm.

I initially did a four wrap for .9 ohms. Nice tasty clouds...a bit too cool, even on a full battery. So I took it down a wrap to .65ohms...

Booya!!!! Mundy for a Nobel Prize in Vaping - 2014

 

[pdib]

Hey, gdeal! I too, find (say) a 4/5 wrap to be pleasant; but the 3/4 wrap @~.5Ω is the rocket to the moon!


i'll leave it to Mundersteiner to critique the fruits of your labor

 

[Xobeloot]

I also stick w/ the 4/5 wrap. And i agree with pdib on the loose wrap. This wire has so many nooks in it to hold juice, by compressing the wraps, i found that I had been cheating the wire of more airflow paths. I didnt think it was possible to improve upon perfection, but a slightly gapped "standard" coil of micro diameter is sublime!


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[Alexander Mundy]

Looks good gdeal, glad you approve!
Thanks for the kind words especially coming from someone that I often am in amazement of what you can Macguiver.


Been squeezing for a while now, but used to leave space.
Will try a spaced out coil to see if I have been cheating myself when I get home and can screw something up with material and time to fx it.
Only have one Reo & RM2 which is my daily and would hate to have to go to my backup in the middle of the work day.

 

[gdeal]

When I went from the 4 wrap to the 3 wrap, I had the coils almost gap-less, but I pushed them apart. I noticed with the peppermint juice I was using that it got too sharp for the amp level. While I loose a bit of the coil to coil heat transfer, going a bit lower ohm made up for the instant on vape time.

I think spacing is also juice dependent. A slightly larger gap smoothed out my simple juice mix. I can see for more complex flavors a greater benefit for closer coils to bring out the subtleties.

 

[jcalis1394]

Holy REO deities and I thought it couldn't get any better. Genious! Trading vapor production for such improvement in flavor, yes please! I'm definitely buying to make my own, this is just too good! I did not enlarge the post holes, I'm waiting on my set of drill bits to arrive as it is in backorder. I definitely want to make dual coils with this!

Big props to pdib for the help and support!