All Flavoring Manufacturers: An Open Discussion

[MonicaRae]

Sorry if I'm jumping in but I need a bit of help & I am hoping someone here can give it to me.
I made this Vanilla Custard & I'm having the strangest taste or reaction with it. So I made it last Thursday so it hasn't steeped for that long but it's not like I just made it either although maybe this taste will go away with time idk??

I'm using a dripper somewhere near .4 and I would say the first 5-6 vapes I get a weird burnt taste. I thought it was the cotton or the coil at first but it's not. What's even more strange is after those first 5-6 vapes the taste goes away. I'm at a loss.

The only new flavor I used is Catalan Cream could that be it? Here's the recipe:

Vanilla Custard #4
Vanilla Custard V1 CAP - 9%
Smooth TFA - 2%
Catalan Cream FA - 1%
Bavarian Cream TFA - 2%
Graham Cracker TFA - 2%
Butter LA - 1%

I have no idea what it is but it's weird. It actually tastes really good after you get past the burnt-ness lol...which is why is like to pinpoint the problem for next time!!! Any ideas or help would be great


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[JD1]

Sorry if I'm jumping in but I need a bit of help & I am hoping someone here can give it to me.
I made this Vanilla Custard & I'm having the strangest taste or reaction with it. So I made it last Thursday so it hasn't steeped for that long but it's not like I just made it either although maybe this taste will go away with time idk??

I'm using a dripper somewhere near .4 and I would say the first 5-6 vapes I get a weird burnt taste. I thought it was the cotton or the coil at first but it's not. What's even more strange is after those first 5-6 vapes the taste goes away. I'm at a loss.

The only new flavor I used is Catalan Cream could that be it? Here's the recipe:

Vanilla Custard #4
Vanilla Custard V1 CAP - 9%
Smooth TFA - 2%
Catalan Cream FA - 1%
Bavarian Cream TFA - 2%
Graham Cracker TFA - 2%
Butter LA - 1%

I have no idea what it is but it's weird. It actually tastes really good after you get past the burnt-ness lol...which is why is like to pinpoint the problem for next time!!! Any ideas or help would be great


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I'm just guessing but maybe it's the heat in the dripper? If you have a controlled way of doing it maybe a hot water soak at maximum temperature might help?

Edit: Also, how much experience do you have at .4 with your dripper? I can't stand my tas at less than 1 ohm. I think most folks that run at .4 to .6 use very low flavor percents or unflavored.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Sorry if I'm jumping in but I need a bit of help & I am hoping someone here can give it to me.
I made this Vanilla Custard & I'm having the strangest taste or reaction with it. So I made it last Thursday so it hasn't steeped for that long but it's not like I just made it either although maybe this taste will go away with time idk??

I'm using a dripper somewhere near .4 and I would say the first 5-6 vapes I get a weird burnt taste. I thought it was the cotton or the coil at first but it's not. What's even more strange is after those first 5-6 vapes the taste goes away. I'm at a loss.

The only new flavor I used is Catalan Cream could that be it? Here's the recipe:

Vanilla Custard #4
Vanilla Custard V1 CAP - 9%
Smooth TFA - 2%
Catalan Cream FA - 1%
Bavarian Cream TFA - 2%
Graham Cracker TFA - 2%
Butter LA - 1%

I have no idea what it is but it's weird. It actually tastes really good after you get past the burnt-ness lol...which is why is like to pinpoint the problem for next time!!! Any ideas or help would be great


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I see nothing about this recipe that would cause what you are describing. Recently I had a bout of something similar, and no build would work right and no careful wicking would suffice, so I did something I used to read about on rba.com. I simply tore the whole atty apart, washed and scrubbed it, and then boiled it with a little vinegar and water. One it was rinsed and dried, I rebuilt it and all was fine again.

 

[MonicaRae]

Wanna hear the strangest thing (again)....I just tried it in the same setup & the taste isn't there.

I don't get it. Well now that I think about it the only change is that I just put in a new battery..hmmm well that could only mean it's a matter of heat. I would think it would be the opposite though - taste burnt in a new battery.

I always have 1 or 2 setups around .4 - .5 and then I have a dna 30 built around 2.0 - I actually find I need way higher flavor on a sub-ohm build than a higher ohm/30 watt setup. At .4 on a mech the flavor is super muted due to the airflow on my rda - no matter how much I close off my dark horse its still muted. It's just not made for flavor - idk why I bought it I guess I wanted to be a cloud machine lol.

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[JD1]

Wanna hear the strangest thing (again)....I just tried it in the same setup & the taste isn't there.

I don't get it. Well now that I think about it the only change is that I just put in a new battery..hmmm well that could only mean it's a matter of heat. I would think it would be the opposite though - taste burnt in a new battery.

I always have 1 or 2 setups around .4 - .5 and then I have a dna 30 built around 2.0 - I actually find I need way higher flavor on a sub-ohm build than a higher ohm/30 watt setup. At .4 on a mech the flavor is super muted due to the airflow on my rda - no matter how much I close off my dark horse its still muted. It's just not made for flavor - idk why I bought it I guess I wanted to be a cloud machine lol.

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All's well that ends well as the old saying goes. Glad you got it sorted. And I'm the same way on airflow. The more open it is, the more muted the flavor. I tend to like around 1/16th and around 1.1 ohms on a mech for both my chifuns and veritas. If I go down on ohms and increase the air flow, it mutes the flavor but it still takes my throat out fairly quick. I guess I'm just not hard core enough lol.

 

[MonicaRae]

I know I'm a bit late on the topic but I have a question. I'm ALL ABOUT THROAT HIT. I usually make my juices at 14mgs and yes I do drip - so I've been reading the last page or 2 and I've heard about the TH nic before but I honestly didn't think too much about it. I kinda thought perhaps it was a "gimic" or that it was just peppery nicotine and honestly who wants nic that tastes like pepper?

I guess my main question is - is it nic that really just delivers more of a throat hit? or is it peppery? That and I guess this is more for Andria - I'm not sure if I read that you have tried the TH nic I think you have?? But do you prefer that or that Flash additive?

Oh and about the Flash stuff -- how much do you have to add? I don't know if I want to try it or not -- maybe but I don't really want to be adding a whole lot of "unknown" to my juice.

 

[AndriaD]

I know I'm a bit late on the topic but I have a question. I'm ALL ABOUT THROAT HIT. I usually make my juices at 14mgs and yes I do drip - so I've been reading the last page or 2 and I've heard about the TH nic before but I honestly didn't think too much about it. I kinda thought perhaps it was a "gimic" or that it was just peppery nicotine and honestly who wants nic that tastes like pepper?

I guess my main question is - is it nic that really just delivers more of a throat hit? or is it peppery? That and I guess this is more for Andria - I'm not sure if I read that you have tried the TH nic I think you have?? But do you prefer that or that Flash additive?

Oh and about the Flash stuff -- how much do you have to add? I don't know if I want to try it or not -- maybe but I don't really want to be adding a whole lot of "unknown" to my juice.

Actually I use both. But now with the TH nic, I don't have to use so much Flash. I really don't taste anything 'peppery' in it; I've been using it in my sweeter vapes, and I really can't tell a bit of difference in taste... but I don't need so much Flash. Also -- a fair amount of my total nic content comes from the 8% WTA, which is 24mg -- once I'm using JUST nicotine, then the TH nic may be sufficient, without any Flash.

If I could use higher nic, like your 14mg, I might not even need the Flash, now with the TH nic; but, at 10mg-ish, some of the sweeter vapes especially the ones with lots of cream flavoring, are just too 'soft' to suit me, even if they taste great -- my solution was to add a LOT of Flash, which meant a REALLY high percentage of flavoring; now I only need a little Flash.

Andria

 

[capthook]

Only 1/2 through the thread so far.. but:

Couldn't figure out BCV:
Bull City Vapor - Best Prices on DIY e-liquid Supplies
Took awhile to figure it out.
Wasn't on my list, thanks!

I haven't DIY yet, but looking at doing so.
The primary motivation is knowing what's in my juice.
Secondary is the considerable savings.

I've spent LOTS of time educating myself on Diketones - diacetyl, acetyl propionate or acetoin.
Tried to get info on these from many juice vendors.
Few want to disclose anything.
Fine, I'll safe my $$, health and piece of mind and DIY.

Seems the verdict on acetoin isn't quite in compared to diacetyl and acetyl propionate. ??
And the safety of the 'new' replacement, butyric acid, is even less available.

I really, really appreciate the work done by TFA on diketones,
as well as FA.
As such, they would be my flavor vendors of choice at this point.

Thanks for the thread... I'll keep reading to catch up.

 

[capthook]

The diketone problem is really why I got serious with DIY; the flavoring manufacturers are starting to let people know if there are diketones in a flavor (or the vendor, like BCV), and make some non-diketone versions, but with pre-made juice, who the heck knows what's in it. Plus I've discovered that it's really not hard to make juice that I like a lot better than the commercial stuff, AND it saves a buttload of money.

Andria

Amen!!
Said as if coming directly from my brain on why I'm looking to DIY.
Thanks

 

[MonicaRae]

Actually I use both. But now with the TH nic, I don't have to use so much Flash. I really don't taste anything 'peppery' in it; I've been using it in my sweeter vapes, and I really can't tell a bit of difference in taste... but I don't need so much Flash. Also -- a fair amount of my total nic content comes from the 8% WTA, which is 24mg -- once I'm using JUST nicotine, then the TH nic may be sufficient, without any Flash.

If I could use higher nic, like your 14mg, I might not even need the Flash, now with the TH nic; but, at 10mg-ish, some of the sweeter vapes especially the ones with lots of cream flavoring, are just too 'soft' to suit me, even if they taste great -- my solution was to add a LOT of Flash, which meant a REALLY high percentage of flavoring; now I only need a little Flash.

Andria

Thanks A! I'm getting low on nic so I think when it's time to buy more in gonna try out this TH nic. Why not right? I doubt I'll taste anything peppery. I've gotten nic from onestopdiyshop - wizard labs and lately I've just been going thru Nude Nic but I've seen posts that people complain that wizardlabs is peppery or onestop's nic isn't really good. Honestly I've never noticed a difference between the 3 (except for Nude being more $$$)

So I'm getting the itch to buy more flavors! What a funny thing. I haven't even gotten a chance to use or try all the ones I have. I was interested in getting some FA for a minute but now I'm thinking of just trying more capellas. I've liked everything from them so far.

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[baseballmom]

So I'm getting the itch to buy more flavors! What a funny thing. I haven't even gotten a chance to use or try all the ones I have. I was interested in getting some FA for a minute but now I'm thinking of just trying more capellas. I've liked everything from them so far.

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This here....exactly, threw some more Capella' s in with recent order....juicy lemon and apricot(got higher reviews actually than tfa)...flavors seem to be more addictive buying for me than hardware, luckily cheaper too when purchasing "smalls"

 

[AndriaD]

Thanks A! I'm getting low on nic so I think when it's time to buy more in gonna try out this TH nic. Why not right? I doubt I'll taste anything peppery. I've gotten nic from onestopdiyshop - wizard labs and lately I've just been going thru Nude Nic but I've seen posts that people complain that wizardlabs is peppery or onestop's nic isn't really good. Honestly I've never noticed a difference between the 3 (except for Nude being more $$$)

So I'm getting the itch to buy more flavors! What a funny thing. I haven't even gotten a chance to use or try all the ones I have. I was interested in getting some FA for a minute but now I'm thinking of just trying more capellas. I've liked everything from them so far.

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Don't bother with Capella's "vanilla custard v2" -- I'd recommend TFA's Vanilla Swirl instead; the vanilla custard v2 just SCREAMS 'artificial flavor' -- even one drop of it into my cocoa at night, and I knew it wasn't a flavor I wanted to be vaping. But TFA's Vanilla Swirl is TFA's diketone-free custard, and it's very good, much better than their French Vanilla Creme (also diketone free).

Capella's Hazelnut v2 is pretty good; it seems smoky to me, so it's good in tobacco vapes; it does taste pretty strongly of acetyl pyrazine, so if you dislike that flavor, you probably won't care for CAP's Hazelnut v2 -- otherwise it's very good. I put some in my DIY Smoky Cappucino, and it adds a lot; not just a "smokiness" but a sort of "depth."

Capella's Sweet Cream is very good; 2 drops in 2% milk makes it taste like whole milk! AFAIK, it's diketone-free. AFAIK -- which ain't very far! It could always change, if BCV gets the word that it does have them.

Andria

 

[Mr.Mann]

Seems like the best place to ask this: Capella's Sweet Cream and TFA's Sweet Cream, how do the two compare? Are they totally different? For users of both, which one is more indispensable? I have Cap's, but I've been waiting for one of my favorite sites to get TFA's (actually, it's been out of stock in a few places I was going to order from).

 

[baseballmom]

I prefer Capellas ....i started with tfa, there is a note there that doesn't agree with me personally a sensitivity of mine, lot of people love it though....I haven't tried fa' s fresh cream yet either, have heard some like that one too.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I prefer Capellas ....i started with tfa, there is a note there that doesn't agree with me personally a sensitivity of mine, lot of people love it though....I haven't tried fa' s fresh cream yet either, have heard some like that one too.

Sweet. Thanks. I respect your opinion. I should note, from my experience Cream Fresh from FA is tricky and more sour than sweet -- it's kinda funky, really. Cap's is definitely good, but it's hard to not wonder about others like it.

 

[clnire]

I make a coffee vape with FA Cafe Espresso and Fresh Cream. Sometimes add a little sweetner but I drink my coffee black and enjoy this mix. Want to try some Cafe Espresso with some Natures Flavors Caramel Cream just haven't had mixing time lately.

 

[baseballmom]

I see on bcv that Hangsen has a cream flavor too, the reviews although are positive, but it sounds like something I personally wouldn't like though, I think I lean to a lighter/softer cream taste myself...there's no caution background but....think I'll stick with cap sc and tfa malted milk for my creams/dairy flavors for now

 

[Mr.Mann]

I see on bcv that Hangsen has a cream flavor too, the reviews although are positive, but it sounds like something I personally wouldn't like though, I think I lean to a lighter/softer cream taste myself...there's no caution background but....think I'll stick with cap sc and tfa malted milk for my creams/dairy flavors for now

I recently sent some of that flavor to Art M. If he has a second maybe he can post his thoughts.

 

[JD1]

I see on bcv that Hangsen has a cream flavor too, the reviews although are positive, but it sounds like something I personally wouldn't like though, I think I lean to a lighter/softer cream taste myself...there's no caution background but....think I'll stick with cap sc and tfa malted milk for my creams/dairy flavors for now

Fwiw, I'm liking my Hangsen Italian Cream really well. I have no idea about the 'bad' stuff though. The reason I mention it is because Italian cream typically has less butter fat than say French cream.

Also, since my wonky taste buds aren't always mainstream, my reviews need to be taken with a huge grain of salt lol.

 

[Art Mustel]

I recently sent some of that flavor to Art M. If he has a second maybe he can post his thoughts.

I tried the Hangsen Cream and I only can say it is the best cream I've tried, period. (although i don't have experience with Capella's or other than TFA and FA). Its smell is just like fresh butter, and its flavor is just a perfect cream that I have already combined with coffees and a few fruits; i would say every one should try it and decide, to me is simply the best I've tried. Thanks for sharing it with me, Mr.Mann!