Taking some B complex at bedtime will help accelerate oral healing. Also Activia yogurt.
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All Flavoring Manufacturers: An Open Discussion
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Taking some B complex at bedtime will help accelerate oral healing. Also Activia yogurt.
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Thx for this, Mr. Mann. I've been wanting a thread for the promulgation of mixed-brand recipes, 'cause my recipes are all over the place. 
I've put a lot of time into searching out diketone-free flavors, since I like a lot of those troublesome flavors, so I agree completely about Capella's excellence; seeing the "v2" on their different flavors is very helpful -- I know that TFA has also paid a lot of attention to this subject, but with some of their flavors, it's not so obvious, you have to look closely to ascertain the lack of diketones -- unless they're now going to standardize that "DX" prefix for their diketone-free flavors. But I wouldn't be able to mix much at all without CAP vanilla custard v2, CAP sweet cream, and TFA DX Bavarian Cream.
I recently got some Inawera Shisha Strawberry, and god, that stuff is amazing; REAL, fresh, sweet strawberries, and the aroma of it, in the aftertaste, especially if you exhale thru your nose, is just amazing too, right on the money authentic flavor. Inawera flavors are expensive, but that one is certainly worth every penny! I just ordered some more today, along wth the Shisha Bilberry; I've been seeking and seeking a really great blueberry flavor, and as great as their strawberry is, I figured I had to try their bilberry. Unfortunately BCV is out of INW Biscuit, or I'd have ordered some of that today too. I also have some of their Cappucino, which is, eh, ok, but maybe a touch bitter. Their Coffee Tobacco tastes just like both, but not sweet at all, so it's not really my thing, I like sweet coffee. I have some of their Virginia Tobacco Absolute, and it's... interesting. I added a drop to the Cappucino for a smoky touch, and it does give some depth; might just need more Sweet Cream and TFA sweetener in the Cappucino, since I do like sweet milky coffee, not the strong bitter kind.
I love FlavorArt's Flash additive; I may have left behind my love of tobacco flavor, but Istill need the throat hit, even if it's strawberries and cream; Flash really helps with that. When I vaped Virginia, I got some "Bitter Wizard," which I think is also FA, and it really helped kill the sweetness.
The only flavors I have that I'm really not too excited about are the FlavorWest flavors. Not really sure why, unless it's just that I prefer not to steep, and they seem to need it; they really don't seem to taste like much of anything. Also, their blueberry is more like blueberry perfume or something.
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I've put a lot of time into searching out diketone-free flavors, since I like a lot of those troublesome flavors, so I agree completely about Capella's excellence; seeing the "v2" on their different flavors is very helpful -- I know that TFA has also paid a lot of attention to this subject, but with some of their flavors, it's not so obvious, you have to look closely to ascertain the lack of diketones -- unless they're now going to standardize that "DX" prefix for their diketone-free flavors. But I wouldn't be able to mix much at all without CAP vanilla custard v2, CAP sweet cream, and TFA DX Bavarian Cream.
I recently got some Inawera Shisha Strawberry, and god, that stuff is amazing; REAL, fresh, sweet strawberries, and the aroma of it, in the aftertaste, especially if you exhale thru your nose, is just amazing too, right on the money authentic flavor. Inawera flavors are expensive, but that one is certainly worth every penny! I just ordered some more today, along wth the Shisha Bilberry; I've been seeking and seeking a really great blueberry flavor, and as great as their strawberry is, I figured I had to try their bilberry. Unfortunately BCV is out of INW Biscuit, or I'd have ordered some of that today too.
I also have some of their Cappucino, which is, eh, ok, but maybe a touch bitter. Their Coffee Tobacco tastes just like both, but not sweet at all, so it's not really my thing, I like sweet coffee. I have some of their Virginia Tobacco Absolute, and it's... interesting. I added a drop to the Cappucino for a smoky touch, and it does give some depth; might just need more Sweet Cream and TFA sweetener in the Cappucino, since I do like sweet milky coffee, not the strong bitter kind.I love FlavorArt's Flash additive; I may have left behind my love of tobacco flavor, but Istill need the throat hit, even if it's strawberries and cream; Flash really helps with that. When I vaped Virginia, I got some "Bitter Wizard," which I think is also FA, and it really helped kill the sweetness.
The only flavors I have that I'm really not too excited about are the FlavorWest flavors. Not really sure why, unless it's just that I prefer not to steep, and they seem to need it; they really don't seem to taste like much of anything. Also, their blueberry is more like blueberry perfume or something.
Andria
I wanted to chime in DIY Shack is just like.. lame TFA and Lorann mixed together. I got a large selection from them to try out and every single one seems like either diluted TFA or Lorann or mixed together TFA or Lorann. Bummer. I hope no one else loses their money on them.
Also, I'm pretty sure Cap v2 still has baddies in it just at such a low percent they are technically allowed to advertise diketone free - even though it isn't. Same with Nude Nicotine and TFA - but TFA readily admits and lists which ones have it, even if legally they could get away with saying it didn't - which is why TFA gets my respect and Nude and Cap do not. I hope I'm wrong about Cap but I'd bet money I'm right that it still has *ketones in it. Flavor West will straight up lie to you - how do I know this? Because they straight up lied to me, ha!
I like a lot of flavors but TFA and FA are the only ones that have my respect as well as my money
TFA and Lorann mixed together. I got a large selection from them to try out and every single one seems like either diluted TFA or Lorann or mixed together TFA or Lorann. Bummer. I hope no one else loses their money on them.Also, I'm pretty sure Cap v2 still has baddies in it just at such a low percent they are technically allowed to advertise diketone free - even though it isn't. Same with Nude Nicotine and TFA - but TFA readily admits and lists which ones have it, even if legally they could get away with saying it didn't - which is why TFA gets my respect and Nude and Cap do not. I hope I'm wrong about Cap but I'd bet money I'm right that it still has *ketones in it. Flavor West will straight up lie to you - how do I know this? Because they straight up lied to me, ha!
I like a lot of flavors but TFA and FA are the only ones that have my respect as well as my money
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Also, I'm pretty sure Cap v2 still has baddies in it just at such a low percent they are technically allowed to advertise diketone free - even though it isn't. Same with Nude Nicotine and TFA - but TFA readily admits and lists which ones have it, even if legally they could get away with saying it didn't - which is why TFA gets my respect and Nude and Cap do not. I hope I'm wrong about Cap but I'd bet money I'm right that it still has *ketones in it. Flavor West will straight up lie to you - how do I know this? Because they straight up lied to me, ha!
I like a lot of flavors but TFA and FA are the only ones that have my respect as well as my money
That is a very strong statement. Can you offer any more information on how they lied to you?
Can you offer any proof that they still have keytones in them? And if this is a fact then how can you be so sure TFA is completely free of keytones if your being lied too by other sources. How do you know your not being lied too by TFA?
It's never a good idea to offer unsubstantuated speculation because you will be challanged on it every time and asked to provide hard proof before it's taken as fact..
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I wanted to chime in DIY Shack is just like.. lame
Also, I'm pretty sure Cap v2 still has baddies in it just at such a low percent they are technically allowed to advertise diketone free - even though it isn't. Same with Nude Nicotine and TFA - but TFA readily admits and lists which ones have it, even if legally they could get away with saying it didn't - which is why TFA gets my respect and Nude and Cap do not. I hope I'm wrong about Cap but I'd bet money I'm right that it still has *ketones in it. Flavor West will straight up lie to you - how do I know this? Because they straight up lied to me, ha!
I like a lot of flavors but TFA and FA are the only ones that have my respect as well as my money
The "diketones-free" ones are now using butyric acid which is not technically a diketone. It may still cause *irritation* but AFAIK, won't cause lung DESTRUCTION. Big difference.
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That's mostly been my experience with Inawera too. I haven't had a good success/failure ratio with them. Out of 20-something IW flavors, I've found three that I love, a few that are OK, and a bunch that I can't stand. I think I'm done gambling with their flavors for now. The thing is... the few good ones I've found have become my favorite tobaccos by far: S'Camel, Don Hill, and Gold Ducat. I vape those three more than I vape my favorite Hangsens now.
To my taste buds Hangsen has been much more consistently good. I can't even think of a Hangsen tobacco that I can't stand at all, and I have a fair amount of them. The old super concentrates from ECX and VZ were the same way. I liked almost all of them. Unfortunately, even thought the flavors are really good for me, they're a bit too sweet for tobaccos, and I get tired of them.
That's true with all manufactures. There are great flavorings and some not so great. I have my favorites from hangsen and some from hangsen I don't like. I just find hangsen more to my taste then inawera but both are top shelf flavor manufactures. It all depends on what taste good to your own individual pallet.
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I realize that it's hit or miss with all of them. I've tried a lot of flavors in the 3yrs. or so that I've been doing DIY. My point was that to my taste buds, some brands can be more hit or miss, like Inawera. (Lots of flavors I couldn't stand). Others are less of a gamble, like Hangsen (consistently good to my taste buds).
Inawera has been a great success for me. I've noticed by using their Power Smoke nic base, it's really the best DIY out there. Not only do they taste great, but the vaporizing performance can't be beat.
Inawera has been a great success for me. I've noticed by using their Power Smoke nic base, it's really the best DIY out there. Not only do they taste great, but the vaporizing performance can't be beat.
I'm completely ENSLAVED by the INW Shisha Strawberry -- hence going ahead and ordering some of the Shisha Bilberry.
I've been playing with the INW Cappucino again too. I think the bitterness I taste in it might be the difference between American and European coffee -- they tend to like that strong bitter stuff over there. But last night I discovered that adding some chocolate, and more sweet cream and sweetener seems to have lessened that bitter bite to the point that I can endure/not taste it.
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One that I can't live w/out is Pecan Pie from VaporRenu. Some of the veteran vapers will remember this company, funny I never see them mentioned anymore.
If you look at the menu, anything that says flavor west after it is just a flavor west flavoring, but if it stands alone, like "pecan pie" that means it IS the flavoring to make that item, i.e. no recipe is required, it is already pecan pie....in and of itself.
Sure beats having to play around with a recipe, since to me this is already *perfect* pecan pie. (a friend from REOVILLE turned me on to this one.)
I strongly dislike most every flavor west flavoring however, except their Candy Cane is still one of the best, i.e. closest to my idea of a candy cane.
So, those 2 things are a staple buy from Vaporrenu. I've been unable to find better.
Otherwise, I use TFA (I will buy anything from Linda, due to the research she has done and how she has always kept the vaper in mind with her flavorings and publishes everything she can find out about the flavorings she carries for our safety), and then I use Flavour Arts.
Not really interested in using anyone else. Why? Because I had a lot of trouble in past trying to get answers from many of these companies, including nature's flavors, etc. and many of these companies seemed pretty clueless about inhalation of flavorings even last year. Lorann sent me some stuff that was colored. No thanks on the dyes.
That is probably why I appreciate TFA and FA so much, they were cognizant of using flavorings for inhalation way back when. I tend to give my money to those I like to reward with my biz, and it's not always just about the product, but about the overall *awareness* and caring attitude of the vendor who sells stuff. Everybody wants my money, but there are only a few I feel *deserve* it.
Use either MFS or VapersTek nic solution
If you look at the menu, anything that says flavor west after it is just a flavor west flavoring, but if it stands alone, like "pecan pie" that means it IS the flavoring to make that item, i.e. no recipe is required, it is already pecan pie....in and of itself.
Sure beats having to play around with a recipe, since to me this is already *perfect* pecan pie. (a friend from REOVILLE turned me on to this one.)
I strongly dislike most every flavor west flavoring however, except their Candy Cane is still one of the best, i.e. closest to my idea of a candy cane.
So, those 2 things are a staple buy from Vaporrenu. I've been unable to find better.
Otherwise, I use TFA (I will buy anything from Linda, due to the research she has done and how she has always kept the vaper in mind with her flavorings and publishes everything she can find out about the flavorings she carries for our safety), and then I use Flavour Arts.
Not really interested in using anyone else. Why? Because I had a lot of trouble in past trying to get answers from many of these companies, including nature's flavors, etc. and many of these companies seemed pretty clueless about inhalation of flavorings even last year. Lorann sent me some stuff that was colored. No thanks on the dyes.
That is probably why I appreciate TFA and FA so much, they were cognizant of using flavorings for inhalation way back when. I tend to give my money to those I like to reward with my biz, and it's not always just about the product, but about the overall *awareness* and caring attitude of the vendor who sells stuff. Everybody wants my money, but there are only a few I feel *deserve* it.
Use either MFS or VapersTek nic solution
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I drink Cuban coffee. That's why I love their CappuccinoI'm completely ENSLAVED by the INW Shisha Strawberry -- hence going ahead and ordering some of the Shisha Bilberry.
I've been playing with the INW Cappucino again too. I think the bitterness I taste in it might be the difference between American and European coffee -- they tend to like that strong bitter stuff over there. But last night I discovered that adding some chocolate, and more sweet cream and sweetener seems to have lessened that bitter bite to the point that I can endure/not taste it.
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I just rescued a VZSC Real Cig I've had steeping for ages. The VZ Real Cig reminds me of the smell of a freshly opened pack and I like it pretty good. The only problem is that with steeping it has a fairly strong ashe flavor on the exhale that I don't care for. I cut it down with some base and added a little Inawera Blend and some Hangsen vanilla and now It's pretty darn good if I do say so myself lol. Not a drop of this will go to waste. 
Now for the bad. Hangsen greengage. This is NOT a good plum flavor imo. What I have is a sample bottle of the premix that Buyhangsen threw in for free on my last order. I thank them for the freebie, and at least I now know not to order the flavor lol.
Now for the bad. Hangsen greengage. This is NOT a good plum flavor imo. What I have is a sample bottle of the premix that Buyhangsen threw in for free on my last order. I thank them for the freebie, and at least I now know not to order the flavor lol.
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All by itself, not so much. But, in a juice that does have nicotine, and does have high PG, it can really boost it -- I was in that situation with the Shisha Strawberry, maybe because of all the creams mixed in -- just no "tingle" at all. So I add a pretty good bit of Flash to my high-PG (83%) 11mg, and bang, much more satisfying. Some mixes only need a little of it, like the blueberry muffin/banana nut bread -- not much at all. But a pretty huge amount of it in the strawberry mix.
By huge... I mix up my own "flavor additive" called "Sweet Flash"... normally 6% sweetener, 6% Flash, 12mg, all PG, and in the blueberry/banana mix I add that mix at a level of 5%, so it's not much. But for the strawberry, I made my "Sweet Flash" using 6% sweetener, and 18% Flash, 12 mg, and I add that to the strawberry mix at 12% or 13%, so it's a good bit more.
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That's an interesting blend. Sounds great man.I just rescued a VZSC Real Cig I've had steeping for ages. The VZ Real Cig reminds me of the smell of a freshly opened pack and I like it pretty good. The only problem is that with steeping it has a fairly strong ashe flavor on the exhale that I don't care for. I cut it down with some base and added a little Inawera Blend and some Hangsen vanilla and now It's pretty darn good if I do say so myself lol. Not a drop of this will go to waste.
Now for the bad. Hangsen greengage. This is NOT a good pear flavor imo. What I have is a sample bottle of the premix that Buyhangsen threw in for free on my last order. I thank them for the freebie, and at least I now know not to order the flavor lol.
Greengage is actually a green plum
That's an interesting blend. Sounds great man.
Greengage is actually a green plum
Yeal, I meant to type plum, not sure why it came out pear. Thanks for catching that, I'll change it in my post. The Greengage from Hangsen tastes like a green plum as in unripe, not green skinned lol. At least it's weak, which is actually a plus when it tastes that bad lol.
I bought the premixed awhile back. I thought it was over flavored
Hangsen Pineapple is probably their best fruit imo............ I thought it was over flavored
Yeal, that's what you get for having those keen taste buds lol.
Good to know, and I may give it a try sometime.
These cursed taste buds gets me in a lot of troubleYeal, that's what you get for having those keen taste buds lol.
Good to know, and I may give it a try sometime.
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