All my used carto's are TOAST !!

[Katmar]

It doesn't matter what the "family" says. It is and will continue to be an issue until it is properly addressed, which is my hope. It needs to be addressed by ALL suppliers who sell cartomizers for the kr808. I do not wish to take a chance every time I vape of whether or not I have a "good" cart or a bad cart. It's like Russian Roulette.

 

[Michelle43]

A lot of carto users on this forum are what some of you have called "family" members. Attempting to get their support while at the same time demeaning them doesn't make much sense.

I am a "family" member and I posted pics of my cartos. I am concerned about this issue. After dissecting my carts I know now I have to be careful and as tempting as it is don't try to get 100% out of a carto because it will begin burning before you get to 100% Most of the time I don't refill. If i get a new flavor in carts I certainly don't have the juice to continue topping it off while in use. So for the time being I will continue to use cartos, but only keep and reuse ones I know didn't get fully used up.

I have about 40 empty cartos that I boiled and let air dry completely. I didn't even blow them out, a new user mistake. They have been sitting in a bowl for a few months. I am going to take them apart today just out of curiosity to see how bad I was as a new user.

 

[unit40]

I would like to belive that as vapers and ex-smokers that will all share a common thread and are here to support each other. But when the suppliers start locking down threads while their agents continue to wage a campaign against those who discover and disclose problems to all here, it breaks the "family" up into either in-laws or "outlaws". Had the proponents for cartomizer suppliers used a different tact with those of us who have found a problem with their product, maybe things would have worked out better some time ago when the issue was first posted and raised. My issue was and is that all my used cartos are toast. My question was and is, "what am I doing wrong?". I now have found out that I'm not doing anything wrong. I haven't been doing anything wrong. Many, many other forum members aren't doing anything wrong and their cartos are toast as well.

 

[Michelle43]

Just opened up those carts.
20-good
11-burned

Interesting though was that since these had been boiled, none of the filler was brown at all. You could still clearly see burned holes but the brown muck was all gone.
So when I was a new user I was burning 50% of mine. I guess I gotta start setting them aside to be cleaned sooner now and not try to get 'good to the last drop'. Save the carto for another use and waste a little bit of juice.

 

[Katmar]

A lot of carto users on this forum are what some of you have called "family" members. Attempting to get their support while at the same time demeaning them doesn't make much sense.

I am a "family" member and I posted pics of my cartos. I am concerned about this issue. After dissecting my carts I know now I have to be careful and as tempting as it is don't try to get 100% out of a carto because it will begin burning before you get to 100% Most of the time I don't refill. If i get a new flavor in carts I certainly don't have the juice to continue topping it off while in use. So for the time being I will continue to use cartos, but only keep and reuse ones I know didn't get fully used up.

I have about 40 empty cartos that I boiled and let air dry completely. I didn't even blow them out, a new user mistake. They have been sitting in a bowl for a few months. I am going to take them apart today just out of curiosity to see how bad I was as a new user.

I have not attempted to demean them. I posted a different emoticon, they went in and changed it without addressing my concern for 5 or so pages, then tried to placate me, but ended with I should use common sense. They shut down the thread and said it had been hashed to death. Not solved, mind you, just hashed.They attacked. To be honest, it was only a few. And a few did try to listen and were polite. But they did not want to hear about a potential problem with their family's supplies. I also let it be known that it wasn't just one supplier.

I will continue to question this issue and inform noobs about the possibilities of burning cartos until this problem is solved.

If you go to a supplier's forum and they say they refill 20 or more times, they should also caution you about burning. They should also acknowledge an issue, which the supplier did, but then he backed off and blamed user error. And perhaps they should put out a little handbook about the "proper" vaping methods, even though some of us have used those very same methods and still get burnt carts.

I have never had anything against any supplier here. Issues I have had were dealt with in a timely manner. This is NOT a simple order issue. It is a potential health hazard. And it needs to be fixed. The saddest thing is that it CAN be fixed and isn't.

 

[Michelle43]

My remarks in Red

I have not attempted to demean them. I posted a different emoticon, they went in and changed it without addressing my concern for 5 or so pages, then tried to placate me, but ended with I should use common sense. They shut down the thread and said it had been hashed to death. Not solved, mind you, just hashed.They attacked. To be honest, it was only a few. And a few did try to listen and were polite.
I hope I was one of the polite ones, I was surprised by it and even opened up my cartos and took pictures. If your intention was to enlighten, you certainly did enlighten me. I hope you do not feel that I attacked you, as I found it all quite interesting. I am sorry if you felt attacked by other posters on that thread. No names, but I know some of the responses were snooty and demeaning. I hope you didn't feel mine were, and if you felt they were, I am genuinly sorry.
But they did not want to hear about a potential problem with their family's supplies. I also let it be known that it wasn't just one supplier.

I will continue to question this issue and inform noobs about the possibilities of burning cartos until this problem is solved.
Good idea, I will too.

If you go to a supplier's forum and they say they refill 20 or more times, they should also caution you about burning. They should also acknowledge an issue, which the supplier did, but then he backed off and blamed user error. And perhaps they should put out a little handbook about the "proper" vaping methods, even though some of us have used those very same methods and still get burnt carts.
I won't say anything about this other than I am glad they acknowledged being aware of it and working to fix it.

I have never had anything against any supplier here. Issues I have had were dealt with in a timely manner. This is NOT a simple order issue. It is a potential health hazard. And it needs to be fixed. The saddest thing is that it CAN be fixed and isn't.
I agree it could be a health hazard, unfortunately I don't think any manufacturer or supplier will study the extent of it, but thankfully they are looking into remedying it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention as I was dragging on cartos until there was no flavor left, not knowing that at the same time I was damaging my cartos and possibly inhaling bad stuff. With the flavors I like there is no juice available to keep it full, and I don't taste burn until the flavor is gone, but clearly they were still burning even though I couldn't taste it.

I will continue to use cartos but just be more careful to switch them out sooner. Thank you for the heads up

 

[Katmar]

My remarks in Red

No, you were one of the nice ones...lol. If, at the very least, I got you to pay closer attention to your carts, then I feel some relief.

I also believe that if we yell loud enough, someone will listen and maybe try to repair the problem. Many people have tried, as I have seen from so many past threads. But they gave up and quit using them. There are a few, such as AlexTM, who caution the noobs on the problem, and I commend him for that. I want to be just like him when I grow up.

People have a right to know, to the BEST of everyone's knowledge, both the good and the bad about products. This issue is constantly being swept aside until some brave new person addresses it. I plan to continue the fight because I believe the ecig is a life saver for many of us. And I hope one day this problem no longer exists. But, until, then, I will caution anyone. And I can no longer in good conscience recommend the kr808.

 

[Guineahill]

I'm one of the people who tastes the perfume. I seriously thought I was bringing a real issue to peoples' attention when I posted in the sub-forum. I am not a fool. I'm an not an idiot. I know when I'm tasting Rose and not Mountain Dew! I was pretty much drummed out of the sub-forum. The discussion of perfume flavors has since gone underground and is taking place via PM.

If they are going to continue to use Rose Oil in their formulations that is fine. But I would like to know so that I don't buy them. There are many, many, many of us who find the flavor objectionable. But there are more of them who will defend the company to the end. I think this is a real shame. I love the idea of dozens of flavors and I like the hardware. But I won't buy more filled cartomizers from them. They almost ALL taste like rose to me.

I, personally, have only burned a few cartomizers. That is my experience. Perhaps I have been lucky. But regardless, scorching filler is an issue that should be at least addressed.

 

[Katmar]

I'm one of the people who tastes the perfume. I seriously thought I was bringing a real issue to peoples' attention when I posted in the sub-forum. I am not a fool. I'm an not an idiot. I know when I'm tasting Rose and not Mountain Dew! I was pretty much drummed out of the sub-forum. The discussion of perfume flavors has since gone underground and is taking place via PM.

If they are going to continue to use Rose Oil in their formulations that is fine. But I would like to know so that I don't buy them. There are many, many, many of us who find the flavor objectionable. But there are more of them who will defend the company to the end. I think this is a real shame. I love the idea of dozens of flavors and I like the hardware. But I won't buy more filled cartomizers from them. They almost ALL taste like rose to me.

I, personally, have only burned a few cartomizers. That is my experience. Perhaps I have been lucky. But regardless, scorching filler is an issue that should be at least addressed.

Yes, I have read a few of those threads. Welcome to the "castaways". Even if your complaint is legitimate, some of the followers just chase you away with dismissive attitudes. But, as long as we have legitimate means of addressing these issues, they can bash away. It doesn't bother me. I believe in truth. And I believe that someday, someone will truly listen and act.

 

[Michelle43]

No, you were one of the nice ones...lol. If, at the very least, I got you to pay closer attention to your carts, then I feel some relief.

I also believe that if we yell loud enough, someone will listen and maybe try to repair the problem. Many people have tried, as I have seen from so many past threads. But they gave up and quit using them. There are a few, such as AlexTM, who caution the noobs on the problem, and I commend him for that. I want to be just like him when I grow up.

People have a right to know, to the BEST of everyone's knowledge, both the good and the bad about products. This issue is constantly being swept aside until some brave new person addresses it. I plan to continue the fight because I believe the ecig is a life saver for many of us. And I hope one day this problem no longer exists. But, until, then, I will caution anyone. And I can no longer in good conscience recommend the kr808.

Thanks, I am glad I didn't offend you.

 

[Katmar]

This problem will NOT go away until it is addressed.
I hope for sooner rather than later, but it has been over a year and NOTHING has changed.

 

[unit40]

They are getting way too big for their britches!!!!_ Obviously_

 

[Katmar]

They are getting way too big for their britches!!!!_ Obviously_

It's even more difficult when you have a huge fan base shouting you down and blaming you for using it wrong. But we know that is NOT the case.

 

[AlexTM]

Yes, well, problem is to get the news out. Mentioned the problem in a newbie thread, got called the "paranioa brigade" or something. It's nice that we know, how about the rest?

BTW, thanks for the nice compliment above. Actually blushed. Usually I get called things like "Nitpicker who just doesn't know when to let go!"
Baaaaad Boy Alex!

 

[Katmar]

Yes, well, problem is to get the news out. Mentioned the problem in a newbie thread, got called the "paranioa brigade" or something. It's nice that we know, how about the rest?

BTW, thanks for the nice compliment above. Actually blushed. Usually I get called things like "Nitpicker who just doesn't know when to let go!"
Baaaaad Boy Alex!

I meant that as a compliment, even if it did make you blush. I read your posts a while back and I wish I had listened then. Better late than never. And I will not be shut up. We will keep talking to the noobs. They have every right to know.

 

[miss MiA]

I agree it could be a health hazard, unfortunately I don't think any manufacturer or supplier will study the extent of it, but thankfully they are looking into remedying it.

I hope that can be the case simultaneously (or close) with the industry trend towards developing 'premium' cartos, that burn hotter in order to deliver what they do (and are already reported by some including decidedly non-noob to vape empty and sometimes burn more quickly, and not retain functionality as long). Again not an exclusive issue because offering some 'premium' version has become the goal of multiple suppliers already, and I would guess might eventually be the priority of all of them. Such that maybe the 'regular,' cooler, longer-lasting, less e-juice and battery-juice hungry (all = more economical beyond actual price tag diff) model won't even be available anymore.

Even regardless of the issue at hand here (fyi, for my own subjective reasons, and not opining on whether they're 'good' ones, myself I don't have plans atm to stop all carto usage), I was already concerned for the other reasons cited above that eventually the manufacturers themselves would cease making the 'regular' cartos, if they feel that priority #1 of the masses appears to always be increasing the amount of vapor. (Also uncomfortable that more & more vapor = less stealth and more ammo for angry, scared, nannying antis with power.) As far as any flavor enhancement of premiums, that actually doesn't excite me either, much less enough so for the trade-offs to be worth it. Like many I'm already fulfilled from head to toe with the way plenty of fav flavors I've found are rendered by the regulars. As an analogy, technically I may like strawberry cheesecake or double chocolate fudge cake better than lemon meringue pie or a few chocolate chip cookies too, but I have zero problem choosing the latter for consumption on any regular basis, and don't feel I'm settling or missing out on anything at all.

YES much of that is totally subjective and I know many others differ there. But I do think that if more users were actually fully aware of what all the actual or potential trade-offs are in going with premium cartos (I realize many here are endorsing no-cartos period but this is an existent and valid additional angle), that many would prefer to stick with regulars, or at least continue to have a choice. The latter is what I very much hope that at least some sellers will continue facilitating. Again, it appears 'premium' aspirations and realities are spreading. Heretofore, 'ongoing product improvement' has most often by far been defined as pleasure enhancements, i.e. max vapor, flavor, batt draw/life, etc. Would be useful in all ways including towards acceptance and marketing to know if a safety-related one like potential burn is/can be on the table at the same time or close (tho of course the size of the table or how long "close" is aren't themselves knowable ).

 

[Drozd]

Wow, almost too much to adress here but I'll try:

Leaford is known to most as the Yoda of E-Cigs and he uses the Vapor King and has always been known to prefer cartomizers(The e9 was his top fave and the vaporking was 3.) and he continues to use them so obviously there has to be something that causes the burning that not everyone does. I mean would someone who knows almost if not all about e-cigs continue to use something that is causing the cartomizer to burn??? I think not. For me, Leaford lost all credibility when he took a job and started to profit from one company..no longer unbiased..he has a vested interest in one company...Yoda of e-cigs I think not..
So I will say this, yes the cartomizers are burning and they shouldnt, yes the issue should be addresed, Thats all these people are asking...if it were addressed I'm sure they would be happy carto users themselves
Cartomizer haters stay off of V4L or any other cartomizers sub-forum and stop the hate speachs. Cartomizer lovers stop responding to the hate speaches. Simple as that. This forum site is here to help us not cause arguements that have us battling to the death and acting like kids.

Hmm...well if they bought a V4L product and they hae a problem with it they should be able to air that problem there...Surely you're not suggesting censorship? While it is no secret that the KR8 is not my favorite product I still have a place and use for it my vaping arsenal...this is a forum it's for the free flow and exchange of ideas, therefore I will read and respond to the threads that pique my interest and when someone takes it to far to either extreme including "VK is the end all be all..how could anyone like a 510?'" well you see thats a question posed and a bold statement made and you can be sure that I'll respond to it..

Even though one of the suppliers said it WAS an issue, he closed his thread because he said it has been hashed to death. I disagree with that assessment. Until this issue is RESOLVED, there is still a danger of inhaling toxic poly whatever without knowledge. You may call it user error, or dumb noobiness, it doesn't matter. I now know it is NOT always user error.

I came upon the thread regarding burnt cartomizers and starting taking a bunch of mine apart. Some old, some new, some used a little, some refilled a lot. I found burnt filler material in the majority of them. This has given me great concern and I believe it needs to be resolved.

I don't see anyone stepping up to the plate to insure they are doing ALL they can to make the kr808 cartomizer safer, after over a year of complaints. One supplier said he was working on it, but at the same time, said it was hashed to death.

I see it completely a different way...he totally blew you off...he was rather crafty in the way he did so though... what did he say when he closed the thread.. hashed to death..Cartomizers were made to be disposeable..I use and toss and they're still cheaper than analogs...We spend more money than anyone else...
Let's examine that...they're made to be disposeable (ie throw them away)....if you choose to open em and refill thats all on you...
well god for you you smkoed 5 packs a day, and now own the company (what kind of discount ya think that is?) of course they're going to be cheaper to him... spending more money than anyone else well yeah replacing all the faulty gear and giving away all those freebees to keep people distracted has gotta cost something...I mean really is the battery I get this week going to be too airy or not, or these cartos going to work on my batteries or PT or not..consistency would go far here..

People have a right to know, to the BEST of everyone's knowledge, both the good and the bad about products. This issue is constantly being swept aside until some brave new person addresses it. I plan to continue the fight because I believe the ecig is a life saver for many of us. And I hope one day this problem no longer exists. But, until, then, I will caution anyone. And I can no longer in good conscience recommend the kr808.

While I see your point I gotta say there are some that well just can't function a 3 piece...the KR8 IS rather idiot proof..I'd rather suggest that to them then continue to see them smoke regular cigarettes..

I'm one of the people who tastes the perfume. I seriously thought I was bringing a real issue to peoples' attention when I posted in the sub-forum. I am not a fool. I'm an not an idiot. I know when I'm tasting Rose and not Mountain Dew! I was pretty much drummed out of the sub-forum. The discussion of perfume flavors has since gone underground and is taking place via PM.

. But I won't buy more filled cartomizers from them. They almost ALL taste like rose to me.

Actually Guineahill...a few have made some interesting observations about that underlying perfume flavor...and I gotta say that I've tested it and it has some merit to it..
That theory is that those cartomizers are too fresh...that the cartomizers are de-gassing from the manufacturing process..and since they are manufactured and filled, that gas is getting into the liquid in them...ones that are sealed in blister packs are worse because that gas has no where to excape to..but letting them sit a while tends to get rid of that....I know not the best answer, who wants to buy something and not be able to use it right away right....but I pulled out some cartos that had that perfume issue that had been sitting since the beginning of Jan..and they're fine now.

 

[Kelemvor]

nice post drozd, could be my words if i could express myself better in english.

...except about the newbies that have problems with a 3-piece device. i see that a bit different.

[edit] the problem is, the other small 2-piece device cartos costs, and range of flavors.

 

[AlexTM]

I see it completely a different way...he totally blew you off...he was rather crafty in the way he did so though... what did he say when he closed the thread.. hashed to death..Cartomizers were made to be disposeable..I use and toss and they're still cheaper than analogs...We spend more money than anyone else...

Yeah, the bit where he let a wet fart in the direction of 3-parters was particularly crafty. And that topic is not dead until the matter is solved. Solved meaning, no more burned filling.

Let's examine that...they're made to be disposeable (ie throw them away)....if you choose to open em and refill thats all on you...

Unfortunately, burned filling has also happened with non-refilled cartos. Also, if refilling were the problem, why sell blanks and juice to refill?

While I see your point I gotta say there are some that well just can't function a 3 piece...the KR8 IS rather idiot proof..I'd rather suggest that to them then continue to see them smoke regular cigarettes..

See, that's where there is a problem: I recommend a PV to people because it's healthier than smoking, and that thing lets them inhale burned plastic. I seriously doubt anybody would thank me for that, even if it does turn out that the burned plastic is not as toxic as analogs, and I am not even entirely convinced of that. Probably not much of a difference.

I would love to be able to recommend a 2-parter to some people. Heck, I'd probably use it myself sometimes. But at the moment, sorry, I most certainly would not risk recommending the KR8, and Greencig is hardly available here, and with questionable flavours only.

 

[missyjo919]

After reading all of this I am kinda regretting ordering a couple of packs of carto's to try out yesterday! Wish I would have seen this thread before I did it.