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Although I am neutral on all the smoke hate, I do get defending ones beloved device and etc. Although I believe I was talking about my Steampunk's "board" which will roll from its bottom wattage to 120 watts, hence torching a coil inadvertently, when someone eagerly pointed out it was a design flaw, I most eagerly agreed. It IS a design flaw.
All my mods/tanks/etc. have flaws and/or things that aren't "perfect" for me, heck, my ego one tanks have given me the MOST trouble showing an atomizer until I discovered the solution.... That doesn't mean they're not awesome.
So, most gear has flaws, I do prefer flaws that won't blow up at me or otherwise render my gear inoperable, and I have been fairly lucky.
But the fact remains, CC is right: you don't NEED to defend your vape to others, just submit the positive feedback you have. I guess one might wonder if Smok got such a reputation no one was buying the equipment, but that doesn't seem to be the case, and I do think there are persons purchasing it aware of its possible limitations. That's not a bad thing, but an informed thing.
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All my mods/tanks/etc. have flaws and/or things that aren't "perfect" for me, heck, my ego one tanks have given me the MOST trouble showing an atomizer until I discovered the solution.... That doesn't mean they're not awesome.
So, most gear has flaws, I do prefer flaws that won't blow up at me or otherwise render my gear inoperable, and I have been fairly lucky.
But the fact remains, CC is right: you don't NEED to defend your vape to others, just submit the positive feedback you have. I guess one might wonder if Smok got such a reputation no one was buying the equipment, but that doesn't seem to be the case, and I do think there are persons purchasing it aware of its possible limitations. That's not a bad thing, but an informed thing.
Anna
Imagine a SMOK executive sitting behind his desk in his penthouse office.Smok products are great........if one model fails there will be a new Iteration to buy tomorow
"We make cheap. You buy cheap. It break? You buy another."
I agree it is irresponsible to bash a product that you have never used. I have never and will never own a Smok product. Not because of quality control. Its just opposite of my style of vaping.
In my opinion, you goofed when you continued your post. You appeared to do the same thing to Nautilus 2 that you are complaining about. Bashing although you never used it. In the very early days of the N2, there were some "leak" threads. Since then, leaking in N2 has pretty well been debunked, contributed to user error, counterfeit coils, or missing o rings. I have 3 and a drop has never leaked in any of them. I know how to use them properly. One shortcoming they have is to sometimes flood after refilling. You simply stick a q tip in the drip tip hole, push it down to the coil, and let it soak up the extra juice. Then vape away.
Yes, local vape shops don't sell them. They also don't sell the other MTL tanks on the market. Vape stores are motivated by profit to survive. There is no profit in taking up limited shop space with small tanks that take cheap coils that last forever, and don't use much juice. Virtually every vape shop I've visited has one or two AIO type devices for MTL. The rest of the display cases are filled with cloud machines, usually a majority are Smok. Thats where the money is. Big units that use more juice, more batteries, and more coils. And a lot of the beginner problems start with a vape store pushing a dual battery cloud machine onto someone that doesn't know squat about vaping. For every one vaper that uses this site, does research, and makes educated decisions there are prob 100 that don't even know what a coil is and are relying on the shop to guide them. Many shops don't do that.
And your last statement is either incorrect or you misspoke. If you meant you don't need a tank with above ohm coils to MTL, you are correct. Some MTL vapers can use a sub ohm tank. I can't. If you meant you can MTL with a dedicated DTL tank, you are dead wrong.
To be blunt: that doesn't matter. At all. The circuits should be designed with faulty USB cables/power supplies in mind. A device should never blindly trust a 3rd party product, especially if it doesn't come with its own power supply.
If this minimum level of security isn't built in then the device isn't fit for the average consumer.
The fact is mass produced goods are always going to have a few slip through that are not optimal, it is on the consumer to watch out for themselves.
Personal responsibility? The Cross to Dracula.
Has a vaporshark, or a vaporflask, or a ProVari Radius, or a sx mini, or a jac vapour, or a Geppetto, or a Beck, or even a Therion ever blown up while charging? I'm sincerely curious....
If the answer is no, then am I to assume that all the owners of the above mods never used the wrong cable?
I just posted this elsewhere, but it seems to apply here as well...
The consumer shouldn't do reckless things, like removing the connector on one end of the cable and stuffing it down the wall plug, obviously. But the average consumer doesn't have the knowledge or equipment to evaluate the security of a cable let alone a device/plug, the device should be built to best practice.
If the industry isn't able to provide sensible security measures then a government will, sooner or later, and we'll end up with whatever is left on the market then. In the US you're maybe more lucky but I can tell you in germany it doesn't take very much for people to scream for regulation. Just look at the ridiculous size of our nic bottles. Or the Ego AIO a shop recently had to remove because it wasn't deemed "child-friendly".
If the industry isn't able to provide sensible security measures then a government will, sooner or later, and we'll end up with whatever is left on the market then. In the US you're maybe more lucky but I can tell you in germany it doesn't take very much for people to scream for regulation. Just look at the ridiculous size of our nic bottles. Or the Ego AIO a shop recently had to remove because it wasn't deemed "child-friendly".
Should one have even a slightly open mind, there are a couple pretty good and legitimate reasons contributing to this "phenomenon":
1. The vast majority of vapers do not participate in vaping forums, especially if they are happy with their vape. But some/many will find a forum if having a problem, be it defective equipment or user error/abuse.
2. If a Smok user came to this forum to proclaim his/her love for a Smok product, do you really think he/she would be so inclined to do so after reading all the ABS (anything but Smok) responses. And if they do post, this thread is a prime example of how quickly they will be admonished for doing so.
And to make sure to get the whole ABS posse in on the action, link this thread to other anti-Smok threads to get full participation.
I have not read a rude comment about Smok just opions on our forum or personal experience. If you join a forum it is understood you will get a variety of answers.
I absolutely hate smok products. They're absolutely horrible abhorrent devices. As I pick up my al85 and enjoy a nice smooth Vape. With the smok baby Beast tank. Mine works
I guess I have a slightly open mind....and I understand there's a metric poop ton of Smok mods out there....but DNA or SX mods exploding isn't a thing. It would stand to reason that Smok has some issues with their boards. Why get so defensive? If they work for you, great. But to expect everyone else to ignore their experiences and adopt your success story seems a little irresponsible. I'd feel awful if I recommended a device to someone and it blew up.
This Alien in the picture (only pic I have of it) was my first 2 battery mod. I took care of it like someone who owns a car that's a classic. It worked like a charm for about 5 months and one day I tried to turn on the mod but it didn't. Yes I tried all possible things including cpr to make it recover but nothing worked. What kind of mod will do that to you when you take care of it so well?
Agree.
We should start censoring users' personal experience with the products so that a few can coddingly proclaim their love to Smok.
It would be treasonous and unpatriotic otherwise.
There's not much left of the mod or cable to determine what device failed. The mod owner responded to questions in the Reddit link: Smok Stick X8 Blows Up
What kind of charger were you using?
- carvener standard USB charger and micro USB cable.
- It was a standard 1A charger, and a standard microusb cable.
I didn't think my post stated such, but can clarify if you can point out where.
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