Am I the only one that has a problem with this?

[Scoop224]

The truth is there for anyone who can see it and my comments about being a dry drunk are widely supported by N.A, A.A and many other ten-step programs who make it a priority to help people get off addictive substances and behaviors.

If that's true, then can I ask why you aren't in a ten step program to get off of nicotine? Just asking...
Take that however you will, but you're kinda attacting old echo there and he makes a good argument in my opinion, perhaps in other's opinion too. I agree that it's best to keep the discussion strictly nicotine and avoid other substances in this forum, but some of you are getting pretty rabid over the thread, even though it looks like everyone is obeying the TOU so far.

It's also widely understood that ten step programs are just another form of brainwashing...

 

[daventura]

I'm a drunk...Alcoholics go to meetings.

Just trying to bring some levity to this thread.

Yo Scoop...it's TWELVE steps

 

[Scoop224]

Sorry, was following zapped's lead....he said ten.

 

[Thucydides]

You know, ECF isn't trying to prevent anyone from talking about anything. All it requires is that you don't talk about certain things here. This has nothing to do with censorship, and it has nothing to do with political correctness.

The moderators are trying to ensure that ECF projects a consistent image that will attract and retain interest, credibility, and reputability, because they realize the ECF's image impacts the overall image of vaping. This image caters to a baseline set of perceptions in order to focus on the key differentiating factors of vaping that make it a valuable practice. You may not share these baseline perceptions -- many people do not (perhaps even many of the moderators do not). But the perceptions are there, and any constructive approach to advancing vaping must realize that and work with it.

In marketing and advertising, this is known as "branding," as in "developing a brand." Every organization is engaged (wittingly or unwittingly) in activities that effect brand perception. Every sensible organization proactively seeks to shape its own brand. Hat's off to ECF for doing such a good job.

 

[DC2]

I live in California.

I have medical clearance to use certain substances.
I take advantage of that clearance on various occasions.

But one thing I don't do is talk about it here.
In fact, I have been here almost four years without talking about it.

It really isn't that hard.

 

[zapped]

I have plenty of experience with 12 steps programs. zapped showed he is clueless when he said this.



12 steppers know they are addicts for life.

Half truths and an imperfect understanding of the subject shows who's truly clueless here. Im actually surprised that "herbal addicts" have enough testosterone left in their system to muster even such an ineffectual personal attack as the one you just attempted.

Its true the addiction will always be there, but at least half of the steps directly address changing ones self to lessen the likelihood of ever making that mistake again.

Change comes from the inside first.

 

[zapped]

If that's true, then can I ask why you aren't in a ten step program to get off of nicotine? Just asking...
Take that however you will, but you're kinda attacting old echo there and he makes a good argument in my opinion, perhaps in other's opinion too. I agree that it's best to keep the discussion strictly nicotine and avoid other substances in this forum, but some of you are getting pretty rabid over the thread, even though it looks like everyone is obeying the TOU so far.

It's also widely understood that ten step programs are just another form of brainwashing...

I seriously doubt orherl vaporizers are being used by many people to quit or even for harm reduction...thats only one of the differences here but its significant.

As far as being attacked I suggest you go back and re-read the thread and my post.I wasnt attacking echo at all. I was defending my position and my earlier statements that were being attacked by the poster just above him.

I brainwash myself every morning that Im not going to have a cigarette.

Yeah Im still using nicotine but I think the brainwashing as you put it and the nicotine are FAR healthier than daily use of a drug thats been proven to cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty with thinking and problem solving, and disrupted learning and memory.

Its all a moot point anyway because thankfully the mods and the owner of these forums dont seem to suffer from any of that.

If thats your cup of tea, Id recommend VF. They seem to be very 'friendly' to that cause ........and it shows.

 

[Plumes.91]

I have a thread up around the lines of what we're discussing here. I dont want to be annoying in here and hijack.. But my thread deals with the threat to e-cigs that these drugs could possibly pose. If anyone is interested I'll post it. Its in the vet's section.

 

[Scoop224]

Sorry Zapped, but you're starting to sound like one of the ANTZ's yourself. Again, I agree that we should limit discussion to nic only on this board... But c'mon man.... Talk about junk science?... That last post was rife with it. Your decription was better suited to alcohol, and that pops up in just about every other thread I read here. I say we discourage THAT too. Medicine & science support the argument that that substance is many times more harmful.

I get the feeling that some folks just don't want to be "inconvenienced" by these devices being suited for anything other than vaping pure nicotine, and the stigma and perceptions that accompany that. Are you saying that in a survival situation you wouldn't try to "MacGuyver" a fire staring device out of your mod for fear that the public might think negatively of what a battery and a switch can do? C'mon, Dude?!?!

 

[bassackwards]

wow.
this thread is all over the place.
ECF staff says don't talk about illegal drugs here.
so don't do it.
end of story.
these aren't the droids you're looking for.
you can go about your business.
move along.

 

[Bosco]

First off - I agree with the rules of the forum - it's cool to follow the rules.

But I do find it funny that so many people think that mentioning a certain substance used by some in PV's will cause nicotine vaping to become illegal. The way things are going in the USA, pretty soon that other substance will be the only one you are legally allowed to vape.

 

[sawlight]

Sorry Zapped, but you're starting to sound like one of the ANTZ's yourself. Again, I agree that we should limit discussion to nic only on this board... But c'mon man.... Talk about junk science?... That last post was rife with it. Your decription was better suited to alcohol, and that pops up in just about every other thread I read here. I say we discourage THAT too. Medicine & science support the argument that that substance is many times more harmful.

I get the feeling that some folks just don't want to be "inconvenienced" by these devices being suited for anything other than vaping pure nicotine, and the stigma and perceptions that accompany that. Are you saying that in a survival situation you wouldn't try to "MacGuyver" a fire staring device out of your mod for fear that the public might think negatively of what a battery and a switch can do? C'mon, Dude?!?!

I'm not sure what you are on about in the last paragraph? Survival mode is something altogether different! And yes, they can easily be used to start a fire, if needed. So what's the point? In an emergency situation I'll need to vape illicit drugs so I need to know how to do it now? Which I am allergic to anyways.
I think, at this point and time, and certainly on this site, it's a topic we should avoid. As has been said, there are other sites that welcome this discussion, regardless of my feelings on that. So yes, I think it's a major "inconvenience" to have this happening here, on the largest of the e-cig sites.

 

[daventura]

these aren't the droids you're looking for.

.

 

[Scoop224]

For once..... The drug users aren't the ones who are paranoid! Hahaha! Epic!!

 

[Sero]

I think I understand the paranoia on this.

Cop: Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to hand over that device.
Me: Oh this? It's an electronic cigarette. I'm sure you've seen them in gas stations and on tv.
Cop: Hand it over, I'm going to have to test your device for narcotics.
Me: Fine.
*Cop disassembles PV, rips apart carto, and field tests the liquid*
*30 minutes later*
Me: Am I free to leave?
Cop: Yeah, here you are. *hands back broken PV" Have a nice day.

I doubt this would actually happen, regardless of how widespread illicit usage of PVs becomes....unless of course the cops want to pick on e-smokers and waste a whole lot of taxpayer dollars and innocent people's time....(heh)

 

[sawlight]

I think I understand the paranoia on this.

Cop: Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to hand over that device.
Me: Oh this? It's an electronic cigarette. I'm sure you've seen them in gas stations and on tv.
Cop: Hand it over, I'm going to have to test your device for narcotics.
Me: Fine.
*Cop disassembles PV, rips apart carto, and field tests the liquid*
*30 minutes later*
Me: Am I free to leave?
Cop: Yeah, here you are. *hands back broken PV" Have a nice day.

I doubt this would actually happen, regardless of how widespread illicit usage of PVs becomes....unless of course the cops want to pick on e-smokers and waste a whole lot of taxpayer dollars and innocent people's time....(heh)

As funny and sad as it is, it's already happening! There's a thread around here on just such a topic.

 

[sawlight]

Here's the thread, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...clothes-nypd-detective-ego-c-twist-650-a.html

 

[Sero]

Here's the thread, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...clothes-nypd-detective-ego-c-twist-650-a.html

Uh-oh. Close call there. What I am waiting for though is to see what the reaction will be when some idiot in a back alley gets busted for something else and they find a "hot" PV on him. It may have already happened, I don't know. But we just have to acknowledge it and move forward. Increasing the community of legitimate vapors and empowering people with the right information is a start for this damage control project.

 

[RubberSoul]

Personally - and maybe this is just me - I am more sketched out by people who WON'T allow any "drug talk".

There is really only one substance that is ever mentioned or parodied in the vaping community; you know the one I mean. That substance and the culture surrounding it has permeated every aspect of our society: cheech & chong, snoop dogg, michael phelps, raggae, college, baby boomers, hippies... most popular music is associated with this substance - it has its own genre of comedy films, many of which are very popular in the mainstream - it has TV shows now too, and is legal/decriminalized in some form in 18 states. Nobody bats an eye, except the most hardcore of traditionalists, and if anyone thinks those people will ever accept vaping I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

On a related note, many vendors sell alcohol-themed flavors: bourbon this, cognac that, even "Budweiser". Alcohol is a drug. Alcohol is illegal to some vapers (18-20y/o in the US). Why aren't we worried about folks claiming e-cigs will get you drunk? Why aren't we afraid that vaping will be grouped in with some seedy alcoholic subculture?

Censorship sketches me out. What are we hiding? We have nothing to hide, or to fear. North Korea uses censorship, because they have terrible things to hide. Big Tobacco used censorship for many years (probably still do), because they have things to hide. We have nothing to hide. There are more topics on here about drugs than there ever would be if we didn't attempt to censor it; this topic, for example, is clearly about drugs and would never exist on this forum if we stopped being such babies about it. It is one thing to remove a thread called "How can I put X and Y in my juice", because that directly promotes illegal activity. Complaining about funny names or old timers' swapping college stories, however, is silly and counterproductive.

+1

Seems kind of overkill to block any mention of it.

 

[Scoop224]

If the cop broke my mod, his dept would be buying me a new one or paying Provape to fix it.