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Eskie

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Nevertheless in the interest of accurate reporting, the lack of which is what is so disturbing the vaping community, consumers need to be told that not only black market thc products are dodgy. More should have been made of that revelation.

But on a state level, that would be admitting there was something lacking in their regulation and oversight on these stores. On the medical research end of things they likely and probably accurately, can't say that with certainty, so the best they can say is don't smoke any THC cartridges, especially black market, but that statement does not preclude THC cartridges obtained from "legal" sources as well.
 

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But on a state level, that would be admitting there was something lacking in their regulation and oversight on these stores. On the medical research end of things they likely and probably accurately, can't say that with certainty, so the best they can say is don't smoke any THC cartridges, especially black market, but that statement does not preclude THC cartridges obtained from "legal" sources as well.
They all should take a line from Brant in the Big Lebowski, “Well Dude we just don’t know.”
 

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I’ve been using carts for a couple years, it’s always been known that there were blackmarket carts floating around with jebus knows what in them. Luckily my buddy knows a dead customer won’t be a repeat buyer.


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It's unlikely anybody wanted their customers dead. Dying they are though.
 

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You think it's deliberate?

I rather doubt it, gives them too much credit.

No, a system can fall apart and be self driven without any conscious effort, just everyone looking out for self. It does not require any deliberate intent. It's not the movies where there is a Dr. Evil, mastermind of all, with a bat cave and thousands of TV screens. Not needed to end up where we are.
 

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This is the problem of varying regulation of an industry that until recently was really an illegal operation. If it were done on a standardized basis, which would mean federal approval, then third party "counterfeit" products would be far less likely to end up in stores. But right ow it's all cobbled together with insufficient oversight on the product being sold itself.
As far as the FedGov is concerned, it's all still completely illegal. All the FedGov could really do under current laws send in JBTs from the DEA to shut the dispensaries down. (Note: I do not support doing that!)

I also question whether the FedGov legalizing and "regulating" it would be the panacea that you seem to imply. As exhibit A, I'll point at at all the outright counterfeit juul pods being sold in stores.

All I can say is: I'm glad I DIY.
 

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You think it's deliberate?
You wouldn't think someone would deliberately cause their customers to die; that doesn't help your returning customer base, but then why cut your "H" with Fentenyl or CarFentenyl when just a couple grains too much can cause your customer to over dose and die?

Most drug dealers are amateurs with no science background. All they know is supply and demand.

It is ironic that nearly all of these cases are occuring in the US, at nearly the same point in time. And its also ironic that dumb MF's are still buying carts off the street. I know a guy that is the husband of a woman I used to work with (I'm Face Book friends with both) who buys carts of THC off the street. He insists that he can tell legit vs counterfeit by looking at the vial and the liquid, and "I trust my supplier". I'm like, dude, your a fool.
 
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You think it's deliberate?
Like an any business, it is a symbiotic relationship.
Good vendors attract steady customers with high quality products and reasonable prices.
Steady customers expect high quality and reasonable prices for a hard to get commodity.
It is a voluntary trust relationship.

Concentrated nicotine vendors come to mind as a suitable example.

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A news report on NBC just said something along the lines of they're looking at an ADDITIONAL ?1300? possible cases being evaluated.
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Mother released on bond; fourth person in custody in Huffhines THC vaping case

5 Lbs of Fentanyl Found in Apt Where Chemistry Teacher Died of Overdose

They have arrested at least two groups, from different geographical locations, who had thousands of black market vials on them. How many operations still haven't been caught? Idiots hear the news that a group has been caught so mistakenly believe everything else on the street should be legit. Or they "trust" their supplier. Or they're a ignorant kid buying for the first time.



I have a bad feeling that these cases are not ever going to end.
 
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As far as the FedGov is concerned, it's all still completely illegal. All the FedGov could really do under current laws send in JBTs from the DEA to shut the dispensaries down. (Note: I do not support doing that!)

I also question whether the FedGov legalizing and "regulating" it would be the panacea that you seem to imply. As exhibit A, I'll point at at all the outright counterfeit Juul pods being sold in stores.

All I can say is: I'm glad I DIY.

Panacea, no. As you point out, you can sell counterfeits of anything. That doesn't mean you ban everything to try and prevent that. I do believe that legalization on a national level would help in proper regulation, with known content and some idea of strength. I'd like to see that for currently legal CBD, as most of what's sold is rarely the strength you thought you paid for. It's pretty clear our 50 year War on Drugs hasn't been a winner, and we should be unconscious from banging our heads against the wall for so long.

And for those of us who care about what we are putting into our bodies, you can grow and smoke your own, knowing exactly what fertilizer you use and whatever natural insecticide you choose if needed. Just like our DIY.

You wouldn't think someone would deliberately cause their customers to die; that doesn't help your returning customer base, but then why cut your "H" with Fentenyl or CarFentenyl when just a couple grains too much can cause your customer to over dose and die?

Most drug dealers are amateurs with no science background. All they know is supply and demand.

It is ironic that nearly all of these cases are occuring in the US, at nearly the same point in time. And its also ironic that dumb MF's are still buying carts off the street. I know a guy that is the husband of a woman I used to work with (I'm Face Book friends with both) who buys carts of THC off the street. He insists that he can tell legit vs counterfeit by looking at the vial and the liquid, and "I trust my supplier". I'm like, dude, your a fool.

They love fentanyl. It's cheap, super potent so very little goes a long way, and ordering your raw material by e Packet from China is simple. No pesky cartels or drug lords to meet and deal with. It's the quick and simple path to be Scarface without all the blood and accents.

Do they care if you die? Of course not. A random overdose means your stuff is so strong and potent everybody wants your brand. And the stuff does get branded with a variety of stamps made up to pretty up your little glassine envelopes. Kinda like branding yourself as selling Dank.
 

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Panacea, no. As you point out, you can sell counterfeits of anything. That doesn't mean you ban everything to try and prevent that.

Black and white thinking is the easy way out, but no, banning all vaping because there is one bad actor is fail, as is black and white thinking in general.

Some more regulation could work too, fine, just cross fingers our lawmakers don't go overboard and ban all because it's too hard to sort out.
 
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And not one device shown in the picture is responsible for any illness or death. Not one of those is an oil cartomizer. And they need to warn people not just the Vitamin E acetate in these black market THC carts, but also the pesticide which contains and anti-fungal, myclobutanil, that when heated turns to hydrogen cyanide. It's the same thing that killed 3000 people overnight in Bhopal, India, when the Union Carbide pesticide plant decided to cut corners, obviously by moving to India for cheap labor, but also, the chemical was so toxic that regulations in the US mandate that they be stores in something like 10 oz. containers, but they had it in 55 thousand gallon tanks. I could be wrong on the numbers, this is all from memory but you can look it up. Anyway, this same anti-fungal was being used and some valves malfunctioned, liquid rushed into the tanks (may have just been water), a chemical reaction caused it to heat up, the tanks blew and a cloud of cyanide gas swept through the town. People choked to death in minutes. As many as 3000 overnight, and the total is estimated at 20,000 since they never cleaned it up. Union Carbide was sold to Dow Chemical, who should have been tasked with the cleanup, but the didn't, and thousands more died from contamination. India wanted to extradite the CEO back to the US, but Reagan prevented that from happening, and instead of ever being held accountable, they stuck him in a nice, cozy, gated Republican retirement community where he lived until he died. Anyway, the gov't needs to do more to warn people that vaping these illicit THC carts could result in inhaling cyanide gas! That's why the evening news last night said that doctors say it's like a "chemical burn", like "mustard gas", or something you'd see "from WW1". AND that they don't know what it is! We (the vaping community) have been trying to tell them where to look, but they're slow to catch on, and I think the way it's being reported is completely intentional. They're trying to create a false narrative to garner public support for their agenda.
 
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