Angry at a Nurse. What Naysayers have you run into?

[Paul S]

I have a family doctor who is one of those people who, if he won a million dollars, would say, "It should have been TWO million."

The first time that I told him that I was off of cigarettes and onto vaping, he said, "Yeah, I want you to quit that too." The next time I saw him, he agreed that it's FAR less harmful to me than smoking. His nurse, however, has been supportive all along.

Really, some people are just "controllers": "I want you to quit smoking, and I want you to quit in the way that *I* tell you to."

 

[foster67]

all I know is my blood pressure is down, my good cholesterol is up, I breath better, smell better even lost a few pounds so im going with that for now opinions are like well you know we all have one at the rear.

 

[SchmidtyKy]

I remember a post here a long time ago from a fellow ECF member who is a nurse. She said the hospital she worked at forced everyone to attend a seminar on the dangers of e-cigarettes, and that the presentation was just spewing all this horrible information with no evidence or anything to back it up.

She kept going on and on about how ridiculous it is. It would not surprise me if Big Pharma was behind it all.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I remember a post here a long time ago from a fellow ECF member who is a nurse. She said the hospital she worked at forced everyone to attend a seminar on the dangers of e-cigarettes, and that the presentation was just spewing all this horrible information with no evidence or anything to back it up.

She kept going on and on about how ridiculous it is. It would not surprise me if Big Pharma was behind it all.

I remember that. She was not a happy camper.

 

[Nermal]

. . .especially when dealing with the elderly. That woman had no tact and may like picking on the defenseless in her care.

Once more, how was her information going to sway a non-smoker? All she did was depress your mom which we already know the elderly are prone to! Her patient was your mother, not you!

Ain't that the cotton - pickin' truth?

 

[Lurch]

My local B&M is owned by a doctor. She opened it after her husband was able to quit smoking using vaping.

I have three doctors I see (trying to single handedly support the medical profession); all of them are trilled that I quit smoking and am vaping.

Beyond what they think, I feel better physically and emotionally. Enough said....

 

[Bunnykiller]

that myopic type of thinking has been around for a long time.
30 + years ago when i was attending school we were required to visit the nurse. of course one of the questions was if one smoked. i answered yes.

i didn't think much of it until after she gave me the standard look at the dots eye test,i forgot what its called. its was used to check for color blindness.
she then announced i was color blind. directly attributable to my smoking. i was stunned. for one i had never failed it before. i had also never heard of smoking
causing color blindness. by her pontifacating tone i suspect she was being less than truthful.

well as it turns out like many others like myself we are not color blind. we just perceive a wider spectrum in hues than an average person.
especially blues and greens. i dont even know if they do that test any more. but no she insisted my smoking caused me to be color
blind.

30 years later there are still health care providers with agenda's. it boggles the mind.
request another provider. better yet,another provider company who trains there employee's.

regards
mike

color blindness is real and its genetic.... the test is called a Flaylant (sp?) test... the full test is 13 cards with different hues shown under 3 sets of light spectrums ( sun light, flourescent, incandecent)... normally there is a number "hidden" in the ball of spots... I am severely color blind.... I only saw 1 of the 13 numbers.... and it was difficult to see even that one.
As far as smoking making one color blind.... pure non sense my wife was a hardcore smoker and has some of the best color vision I have seen in any one.....

 

[Midniteoyl]

I suffer from glare.. Dont know how to describe it, but sun, lights, whatever, it all hurts my eyes and I get glare. Have as long as I remember. Anyways, last eye doc I went too told me i have 'smokers cataracts' (???). Said I had this for as long as I can remember. He said 'Well, how long have you smoked?' I said 'Apparently since 2 years old' Ya, didnt go back to him...

 

[amoret]

My doctors have been very supportive. I did have one nurse practitioner say that I was still a smoker and set my records back to saying that. However, I saw my neurologist shortly after that and she was outraged. She changed it back to non-smoker as of my start of vaping noting PER MD! with the all caps and exclamation point.

 

[skoony]

color blindness is real and its genetic.... the test is called a Flaylant (sp?) test... the full test is 13 cards with different hues shown under 3 sets of light spectrums ( sun light, flourescent, incandecent)... normally there is a number "hidden" in the ball of spots... I am severely color blind.... I only saw 1 of the 13 numbers.... and it was difficult to see even that one.
As far as smoking making one color blind.... pure non sense my wife was a hardcore smoker and has some of the best color vision I have seen in any one.....

back in the day they didn't use light spectrum's,just a florescent light i believe.
i missed 1 out of how many cards?(never bothered counting them) she said it was a 6 when it clearly was 8.

i don't recall ever having that test again. didn't they stop for a while?
regards
mike

 

[Spencer87]

I I Went on utube, YouTube , today and saw a video with a doctor recommending them to everyone . Find Findthe same sameand show it to your mother. Mind I also saw a video saying e cigarette leads to .... and ...... use, and that the majority of people using them was kids who have never smoked before. No evidence . . . . it was orange county police saying it. But find findthe first vid I mentioned . Sorry about the grammar of this post. My phone is acting up

 

[SmokinRabbit]

I suffer from glare.. Dont know how to describe it, but sun, lights, whatever, it all hurts my eyes and I get glare. Have as long as I remember. Anyways, last eye doc I went too told me i have 'smokers cataracts' (???). Said I had this for as long as I can remember. He said 'Well, how long have you smoked?' I said 'Apparently since 2 years old' Ya, didnt go back to him...

I HATE doctors like this. I've come across a few over the years who wanted to attribute every ailment, big and small, to my smoking. I mean, we get it, we should quit smoking because it's bad for us, but I don't like or trust doctors who try to scare us with BS.

I had one a few years ago that was convinced a particular medical problem -- severe dizziness -- I was having was caused by smoking. It was a ridiculous assertion because there were other more sudden symptoms and events that were likely the cause, but he couldn't get passed my history as a smoker. Of course, the problem went away on it's own after being hospitalized and baffling a bunch of doctors for about two weeks (story of my life), but one thing that didn't change was that I was still a smoker... so that clearly WASN'T the cause. Doc still felt it was. That was like three years ago. I haven't had dizziness since (and only quit smoking 9 days ago, so... well ... yeah...)

Lying to try to get someone to quit doesn't inspire confidence. Not to mention, it's arrogant.

 

[XBarbarian]

I don't bother myself with naysayers.

In all honesty, I'm inclined to largely take this attitude. Folks, society is so deeply programed today, so pavlovian in their mindsets and versions of stuff they choose, it's almost impossible to overcome someone's bias, on almost any given topic.

thats a hard truth for me, for I spent many years trying to wake people up to stuff like fiat currency, etc.

Im done evangelizing. So, this controversy is just like the other controversies I have strong researched opinions on. I just generally opt out of the rhetoric.

 

[AndriaD]

In all honesty, I'm inclined to largely take this attitude. Folks, society is so deeply programed today, so pavlovian in their mindsets and versions of stuff they choose, it's almost impossible to overcome someone's bias, on almost any given topic.

thats a hard truth for me, for I spent many years trying to wake people up to stuff like fiat currency, etc.

Im done evangelizing. So, this controversy is just like the other controversies I have strong researched opinions on. I just generally opt out of the rhetoric.

I can relate, and even sympathize with that point of view. But in this case, with the gov't set and staged to do all kinds of badness to e-cigs, I think we can't really afford to opt out; if we want e-cigs to remain on the market in *any* form, and/or the forms we currently use, then everyone who knows that they're safer for us than smoking needs to be vocal and active with that truth, or they're going to steamroller us. In this case, "opting out" of the debate may be the same as "giving up."

Andria

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Nicotine itself has some potential for negative health effects, namely increased blood pressure, and a possible need to adjust the levels of some medications.

However, transitioning from smoking to vaping does not bring new risks from nicotine.

In terms of overall risk vaping has not demonstrated a higher risk.

To my knowledge no vapers that is a former smoker has communicated that they feel worse off due to the change from smoking to vaping.

I only know that I feel much much better now than when I was a smoker. And my inner jerk has not once come out as it would if I was without a smoke for over four hours.

That's good enough for me.

Maurice

 

[Amraann]

Ahh the medical profession.....

When I was pregnant with my second child I went into premature labor and was in the hospital on and off for a month before he was born a month premature.
Yes, I smoked and yes I do know that was awful. My OB also smoked and actually let me smoke in the hospital room if I opened the window. My pre-term labor was brought on in most part from stress and my OB's theory was that if I quit I would be under more stress.

My current Dr is like someone mentioned above. She is under the notion that quiting should be done in the way she believes. Which is some book she tells everyone about. When I mentioned my e-cig she did not really respond one way or the other. Her look was enough for me to know she did NOT approve. Not that I care. She is not really loud or fierce about the whole thing. Just has a very disapproving look.

We have a friend who is a retired surgion. When he visited and we all hung out on the porch he did not care that I vaped. When I asked what he thoughtt about it he said that he needed to do more research as he was not really familar with it. But that he did believe that it was less harmful than smoking and he was not concerned about "second hand" vape.

Now we come to my step mother who is a nurse. My father is in his 50's (58?) and smoked since he was probably about 11 or 12. About 6 months ago step mother set up a video chat and there was my dad using an e-cig that step mother had bought for him.

 

[edyle]

She's a nurse, not a doctor; she's just a functionary, and the knowledge hasn't had time to filter down to the floor.

You said yourself the doctors know better; if she ever brings it up with you you can tell her to ask the doctors.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

She's a nurse, not a doctor; she's just a functionary, and the knowledge hasn't had time to filter down to the floor.

You said yourself the doctors know better; if she ever brings it up with you you can tell her to ask the doctors.

You might want to rethink what a nurse is and what they do prior to making such statements. Your nurse is much more than a person who simply acts on the direction of a doctor.

The next nurse you see might just be a nurse practitioner, maybe she has a doctorate in nursing, she might be a registered nurse, or on the other end of the spectrum you might run into a LPN who can only perform some nursing functions.

It is quite possible this nurse is simply doing what she was instructed to do as a function of her job. Hospital policy may dictate that part of her duty to educate her patient is to cover such topics if the situation dictates.

Doctors fall under similar constraints where policy may dictate certain interactions.

Maurice

 

[AndriaD]

Doctors fall under similar constraints where policy may dictate certain interactions.

Very true; I asked my asthma doc about the Nicotrol inhaler when they first came out, and he told me that he was not permitted by law to prescribe it to me, because I have asthma. I said, so it would be worse for me than smoking? He said no, definitely not, but that he wasn't allowed to prescribe it to anyone with a history of compromised lungs. I said, so for asthmatics who smoke, it's just "tough cookies, you can't have it"? He shrugged, nodded, and we went on.

But when I mentioned to him in January that I was about to start seriously trying e-cigs, he was very encouraging, and wished me luck. Apparently he's fully aware that ANYTHING is better than smoking, but he's a licensed professional, and has to adhere to certain professional standards and constraints.

Andria

 

[SmokinRabbit]

It is quite possible this nurse is simply doing what she was instructed to do as a function of her job. Hospital policy may dictate that part of her duty to educate her patient is to cover such topics if the situation dictates.

While I completely agree with you that nurses play a huge role in the medical community and they are way more than just servants of the doctors, in this case I think my mother's home-care nurse was just being a busy-body. There's no way she was under any instruction to educate my senior-citizen, recovering-from-major-surgery mother on the ills of ecigs that her grown daughter was using to quit tobacco. When she could see how happy my mother was about her daughter quitting, this nosey know-it-all nurse should have kept her mouth shut and just smiled (if she couldn't say anything nice). Contributing to my mother's anxiety in a time of recovery serves nothing positive.

Obviously, it's a good thing I wasn't in the room with them. LOL