I've already talked to Joye about this and pointed them to a couple of threads in here, and they werent very receptive. They claim its just users with dry atomizers. If we want this fixed, we need to get the major distributors complaining about ...... off customers. jaunty is the main us distributor and TECC is the UK one. Of course, it would help if other major players like TW, cignot, etc also started raising concerns about this issue
Another 510 Atomizer Complaint
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Cignot told me that they also sent a copy of the posts to Joye and told them they were getting complaints from customers. They got the same response from Joye! Okay this is wrong and something needs to be done! What do you suggest?
If more distributors start complaining, maybe something will come of it. Ultimately, distributors either have to stop buying from JOYE, or somebody stateside has to develop their own e-cig or 510 compatible atomizer. It would help if the more mechanically inclined users here could figure out exactly what the problem is so we have a more conclusive understanding of the 510 atomizer shortcomings.
That's basically what i was going to do, the bad atomizers don't reflect on Cignot, or any other supplier. I think most people who have recieved bad parts from anywhere pretty much understand that it's a problem at the manufacturing level. I am more then a little concerned though that the producer's of these parts don't seem to be listening to there distributors, but i guess I can't say that I'm surprised.
I was never really looking for a fix for this when i made the post, I am just going to buy a few more from somewhere. I just wanted to draw even more attention to the fact that this seems to be a growing problem over the past couple of weeks.
I think it has probably always been a problem. It's about quality control. We also need to keep in mind that we are at the very beginning of this technology. It will get better. I think....
Stay with suppliers who have warranty so you don't get zapped too much.......some have no warranties.....some have 14 day warranty.......
Would someone with a bad atomizer sell me one or two of them? I'd like to take a look at what the differences are, no promises but I'd love to contribute back to the community by finding a "fix."
I've had two (both of which were new, untested and given to my daughter) that were DOA. Unfortunately, that turned her off to the e-cig experience. I am motivated to find a "cure" for the bad atty disease
I've had two (both of which were new, untested and given to my daughter) that were DOA. Unfortunately, that turned her off to the e-cig experience. I am motivated to find a "cure" for the bad atty disease
Would someone with a bad atomizer sell me one or two of them? I'd like to take a look at what the differences are, no promises but I'd love to contribute back to the community by finding a "fix."
I've had two (both of which were new, untested and given to my daughter) that were DOA. Unfortunately, that turned her off to the e-cig experience. I am motivated to find a "cure" for the bad atty disease
Have you seen this report on the bad Joye attys? http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-burnt-taste-all-my-attys-22.html#post1088689
I think it's post #214 by Sun Vaporer. He dissected several and made a definitive conclusion.
When I have attys do that on stock batts, its usually the stock batts not charging good anymore...may want to look into a few new ones n see if that helps
I noticed since I started vaping w/mods, my atty issues have become a non-issue. Now they work great until they die completely.
I noticed since I started vaping w/mods, my atty issues have become a non-issue. Now they work great until they die completely.
Intersting point Crash! I wonder..
I use my PT almost exclusively - I do use the batts and charge them too but they dont get much use due to me n my PT (PTs I should say I have 2 now lol) - and my attys have never been yukky yet..is it luck? or..
How could we test for your theory? I have no clue.
I use my PT almost exclusively - I do use the batts and charge them too but they dont get much use due to me n my PT (PTs I should say I have 2 now lol) - and my attys have never been yukky yet..is it luck? or..
How could we test for your theory? I have no clue.
Interesting read... I blew through 3 attys in a month when I first got my 510- I at first assumed it was operator error! But the more I read and used it, and after using attys from a different vendor I had doubts.. Now I feel a little better that I may not be a serial killer of attys after all!
I have bought 3 different 510 kits from 3 different vendors. The 1st was the disposable ones, then a started kit 2 weeks later and another kit for my wife this week.
The disposable attys (wider shorted Atty) are at 2.7 ohms, 2nd kit (have rings) 2.8 ohms and the new ones at 3.3 ohms (no ring, higher atty).
The new ones will glow red hot on 1 side of atty, hit like crazy for 3 drags, then almost no vapor, refill cart, works great again.
The disposable one's and the 1st kit are still going.
I am getting very frustrated at this point with the 510 and was going to try a 901 but I here they are the same atty guts. I'm lost now. And Pis*ed.
The disposable attys (wider shorted Atty) are at 2.7 ohms, 2nd kit (have rings) 2.8 ohms and the new ones at 3.3 ohms (no ring, higher atty).
The new ones will glow red hot on 1 side of atty, hit like crazy for 3 drags, then almost no vapor, refill cart, works great again.
The disposable one's and the 1st kit are still going.
I am getting very frustrated at this point with the 510 and was going to try a 901 but I here they are the same atty guts. I'm lost now. And Pis*ed.
Sun basically got to the heart of the issue there. I don't have a lot of time to tear things apart but I'm probably going to do the same thing he did with the bad ones I received, at least I'd like to at some point. I did notice a bad taste, but I was more looking at the fact that these don't get cherry, no matter how long I hold my manuals down, not even during a dry fire.
As far as the battery's go, it's a good thing to check. I did that originally with 3 different manual battery's all less then a month old, they each produced the same result. HOPEFULLY, in inferior mesh is just a random blip and not something that were going to continue recieveing 8-o
I purchased a TW Tornado about a week and a half ago. Both my attys started giving off a foul burnt taste yesterday. My adult son purchased his Tornado the same time as mine and his attys are giving off the same foul burnt taste. It happen the same time mine did! I dont think its a coincidence. I sent an email to Totally Wicked today and hopefully they will swap out these defective POSs! Very frustrating.
I really don't think quality control is the issue when it comes to the (seemingly) premature failure of atomizers. Instead, I believe we are suffering the effects of planned obsolescence.
Jany, DSE, SLB, Kanger, etc... all roughly know how long their atomizers or cartomizers will typically last. Could they be made to last longer? Undoubtedly. Will they eventually be made to last longer? Maybe...if there's enough profit to be made.
Jany, DSE, SLB, Kanger, etc... all roughly know how long their atomizers or cartomizers will typically last. Could they be made to last longer? Undoubtedly. Will they eventually be made to last longer? Maybe...if there's enough profit to be made.
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I came on here to try and find an answer to the problem of my dead (and new) atomizers! I just got a 3 pack last week from CigNot, and 2 are dead. I'm in NO way blaming CigNot, but rather JoyE.
So I guess i'll go check the other threads and see what the deal is...
So I guess i'll go check the other threads and see what the deal is...
Same as me Bad, i bought them last week as well. The ladies at Cignot have been looking into it from what I've heard.
The only time I had a problem with my atty for my 510 was that my daughter ripped the base of the atty with the bridge in it from the metal casing. It was devastating, I kid you not...luckily my 2 attys just came in today so I'm back to vaping again!
I was down to my last atty once and in desperation I sat the atty on it's base and with a small screwdriver. I used a small pliers for the hammer. Punched inside the atty where the bridge meets the body, on the off chance the ground connection was broken. Surprise, surprise! that was in late Nov. The atty is still working today. Maybe I just got lucky! It is worth a try!
The burnt taste is from residue on the heating coil.
I took a few attys apart and they consist of 2 copper wires poking through a circular ceramic plate which holds the weld between the copper wires and a heating coil all wrapped in a sort of "foil" that feels a little like miniature brillo pads. I am not sure what type of metal the coil itself is made of but it's definitely not copper (a glowing heated copper coil will emit gases which you probably don't want in your lungs). When you look into your atty you are seeing a metal arch that snaps into place around the ceramic plate and is also wrapped in this metallic meshy brillo type stuff. Inserted under this little metal arch is some sort of fibrous material, I assume it is there to hold the liquid, but I remove these because it contributes to bad taste and besides I have no idea what its made of and I don't want whatever fumes it is burning going into my lungs because almost all these "fibers" I removed were half burnt (you can remove them by gently poking a toothpick under the little metal arch and twisting it around to get the fibers out, or by removing the metal sleeve around the atomizer and poking them out).
It's a pretty simple design (in fact it's the exact same design as a light bulb, but without the bulb), but it makes me wonder if the ceramic or the coil itself is giving off any sort of fumes I should be worried about. There is no doubt in my mind that there are better (and safer) ways to boil liquid than exposing it directly to a metal coil.
By the way, if you want to take one apart yourself, the gold part is jammed into the metal sleeve (not screwed). I used two pairs of pliers and just pulled it right out (some of them need a good twist or two to come out), but you will still have the ceramic plate stuck inside the sleeve so be careful or you will break the wires. You can simply poke a toothpick or something else in there to push out the ceramic plate (wrapped in that wire mesh stuff I mentioned earlier).
As far as cleaning, I don't think there is a hell of a lot you can do about residue on the coil, since the coil is made from a very thin tiny wire and pretty much everything that can clean residue from metal is probably going to leave chemicals in there that will KILL YOU if inhaled a lot. I would guess the only real option is to use clean juice that doesn't leave much residue when it is boiled into vapor. I would imagine some of you guys who sell juice could use that as a selling point.
I took a few attys apart and they consist of 2 copper wires poking through a circular ceramic plate which holds the weld between the copper wires and a heating coil all wrapped in a sort of "foil" that feels a little like miniature brillo pads. I am not sure what type of metal the coil itself is made of but it's definitely not copper (a glowing heated copper coil will emit gases which you probably don't want in your lungs). When you look into your atty you are seeing a metal arch that snaps into place around the ceramic plate and is also wrapped in this metallic meshy brillo type stuff. Inserted under this little metal arch is some sort of fibrous material, I assume it is there to hold the liquid, but I remove these because it contributes to bad taste and besides I have no idea what its made of and I don't want whatever fumes it is burning going into my lungs because almost all these "fibers" I removed were half burnt (you can remove them by gently poking a toothpick under the little metal arch and twisting it around to get the fibers out, or by removing the metal sleeve around the atomizer and poking them out).
It's a pretty simple design (in fact it's the exact same design as a light bulb, but without the bulb), but it makes me wonder if the ceramic or the coil itself is giving off any sort of fumes I should be worried about. There is no doubt in my mind that there are better (and safer) ways to boil liquid than exposing it directly to a metal coil.
By the way, if you want to take one apart yourself, the gold part is jammed into the metal sleeve (not screwed). I used two pairs of pliers and just pulled it right out (some of them need a good twist or two to come out), but you will still have the ceramic plate stuck inside the sleeve so be careful or you will break the wires. You can simply poke a toothpick or something else in there to push out the ceramic plate (wrapped in that wire mesh stuff I mentioned earlier).
As far as cleaning, I don't think there is a hell of a lot you can do about residue on the coil, since the coil is made from a very thin tiny wire and pretty much everything that can clean residue from metal is probably going to leave chemicals in there that will KILL YOU if inhaled a lot. I would guess the only real option is to use clean juice that doesn't leave much residue when it is boiled into vapor. I would imagine some of you guys who sell juice could use that as a selling point.
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