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thought with lithium the liver went first. Lithium isn’t really an antidepressant anyway, it’s a mood stabilizer. A bipolar drug. Also a very old and now rarely used one.


Thank god someone beat me to it, Lithium FTW :thumbs: Thanks @Eskie

What's the name of this thread again...
 
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Problem is most people don't want to know the details, they just want a bogeyman (or boogeyman) to blame. Keep it simple, I just want a simple story, vaping is bad right?

Yes, there is a general 'dumbing down' in the general populace, or maybe it's always been there but social media makes it more obvious. People do want a bogeyman but people are almost LIVING to be offended these days, smoking was progressively more ostracised by the general public to the point of being overtly hostile, and rather than reflect on themselves or adopting a viewpoint of rationalised logic, they'd rather complain and moan and hope others change. Like someone who's offended by the noise of cars willingly buying a house next to a highway or main road then petitioning that cars get specialised exhausts for that specific zone.

p.s. I personally despise conspiracy theories, but sadly until or if vaping raises the kind of tax dollars smoking does, I have to also think, the legit vaping industry is a free and easy whipping boy among politicians who will say anything to get more votes. It doesn't raise enough $ or benefit them enough to get behind it.

It's an easy whipping boy and also gets the sentiment in a more accepting state for policy rollouts (in my opinion). I still believe that governments recognise on some level that their initiatives have a double-edged sword to them. Namely the legislation against smoking and the push for quitting nicotine and higher taxes in Australia will also lead to a massive reduction in tax revenue, so vaping will be the new smoking. By associating it with smoking - they can tax it the same. Just wait for total-recall style cafe's where people can experience virtual smoking just to trigger a dopamine response (or just for the social setting), then have it taxed/banned because someone had a nightmare or singed a hair (inb4 "he's literally bald now!!!")
 

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And now your politicians have played the same magic trick, blame the media, look at my right hand so you don't see what the left hand is doing. Unfortunately it is the left hand that is about to ban vaping. Wake up! The media is not able to make laws, be angry at the media because that was the scarecrow, because it's the left hand than can and will ban vaping for votes. The evil media has no ability to adjust law, but keep looking at the media. Played. For all that talk about less government interference, they sure will interfere (republicans especially, sinner vapers), people who vape are sinners, though if you pay enough like BT, then it's all good. Wake up!

Donnie will literally say whatever gets him more votes and the 'Melania had a son' and tweeted story is what prompted this next round of votes.
 
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And now your politicians have played the same magic trick, blame the media, look at my right hand so you don't see what the left hand is doing. Unfortunately it is the left hand that is about to ban vaping. Wake up! The media is not able to make laws, be angry at the media because that was the scarecrow, because it's the left hand than can and will ban vaping for votes. The evil media has no ability to adjust law, but keep looking at the media. Played. For all that talk about less government interference, they sure will interfere (republicans especially, sinner vapers), people who vape are sinners, though if you pay enough like BT, then it's all good. Wake up!

Donnie will literally say whatever gets him more votes and the 'Melania had a son' and tweeted story is what prompted this next round of votes.
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Well two or three problems with this -

1.) No matter what politicians say, if there was no media, whatever they say would never get distributed so they need the media.

2.) If the politicians say nonsense, as they do, blame them... blaming the media is a easy pass they don't deserve.

3.) maybe you want a state run media, only positive donnie news but..

but before it gets moved or deleted...

I am not a donnie sychophant. he isn't paying me, i don't work for him and I don't want an authority daddy figure to run my life, so sorry if I triggered your donnie is god issues.
 

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Well two or three problems with this -

1.) No matter what politicians say, if there was no media, whatever they say would never get distributed so they need the media.

2.) If the politicians say nonsense, as they do, blame them... blaming the media is a easy pass they don't deserve.

3.) maybe you want a state run media, only positive donnie news but..

but before it gets moved or deleted...

I am not a donnie sychophant. he isn't paying me, i don't work for him and I don't want an authority daddy figure to run my life, so sorry if I triggered your donnie is god issues.
Obviously you do want someone to tell you every move to make. The demonrat socialist party will be happy to lead you sheeple to the slaughter house.
 
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Obviously you do want someone to tell you every move to make. The demonrat socialist party will be happy to lead you sheeple to the slaughter house.
The converse of this statement is you therefore think what you do and think is both your own thought and perfect and without flaw. That’s it’s own kind of crazy.

I particularly liked the reuse of dogwhistle phrases invented by others and the term “you sheeple” as if you’re not just as big of one yourself. Even the term “socialism” has become a misused dogwhistle term. I don’t think that word actually means what you think it does.

Reds have done a service to the country imho by pointing out imperfections in the blue line. The problem is the alternatives they offer seem to have much larger and more damaging imperfections. Just because one group points out that something is flawed doesn’t mean that their substitute is less flawed. Nothing is perfect. The choice is not which is unflawed, the choice is which is less flawed and how may of those known flaws can be dealt with.
 

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I don’t think that word actually means what you think it does.
The converse is that he (and many others) doesn't know what "socialism" means. (it's an economic system with no private ownership of businesses/capital/means of production). Often confused by the uneducated masses with "social programs"...like the military, fire, police, education, or potentially healthcare. etc. They both have "s-words" in them. So confusing.:rolleyes:

If he had said "capitalist welfare state" maybe he'd be closer.

But I digress. This is why talking to the extreme right is frustrating in a completely different way than talking to the extreme left (the real socialist party, not the dems) which is often frustrating too.

Politics best avoided.
 

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The converse is that he (and many others) doesn't know what "socialism" means. (it's an economic system with no private ownership of businesses/capital/means of production). Often confused by the uneducated masses with "social programs"...like the military, fire, police, education, or potentially healthcare. etc. They both have "s-words" in them. So confusing.:rolleyes:

If he had said "capitalist welfare state" maybe he'd be closer.

But I digress. This is why talking to the extreme right is frustrating in a completely different way than talking to the extreme left (the real socialist party, not the dems) which is often frustrating too.

Politics best avoided.

Excellent post comrade. Oops, shouldn't have said comrade. Gave the game away there didn't I.
 

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Excellent post comrade. Oops, shouldn't have said comrade. Gave the game away there didn't I.
Wrong, still. Capitalist here. But:
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Nope. You attempted to imply that he was a communist for daring to look at a dictionary.

He used a DICTIONARY? I didn't realise he was that far gone.

Actually Atty tends to say what I think on most topics, but he says it better.
 

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Everyone of these media outlets along with the CDC that claim this is the result of vaping, should be forced to print retractions.
And they probably will. Eventually. In small print at the bottom of something buried where no one can see it. If it’s video it will be a flying banner too small and fast to read. Equal time and space for retractions was a law effort that got killed some time ago.
 

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Every one of these media outlets along with the CDC that claim this is the result of vaping, should be forced to print retractions.

Printed in the most obscure paper that can be found sort of like this: We may have been unintentionally somewhat wrong about something.
 
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Reds have done a service to the country imho by pointing out imperfections in the blue line. The problem is the alternatives they offer seem to have much larger and more damaging imperfections. Just because one group points out that something is flawed doesn’t mean that their substitute is less flawed. Nothing is perfect. The choice is not which is unflawed, the choice is which is less flawed and how may of those known flaws can be dealt with.

Absolutely, well said. They need each other to balance, and challenge. Disagreement can work very well to slow down chaotic impluses. And oh yes, the blue line goes nuts too. Also why I hope one person cannot just sign an order banning vaping, it should require input from other branches, or even better, do not get involved at all.

What some might say as a drag in our system, I see as an intentional mandate, so that one person's impluse of the moment doesn't become law on a whim. I'm a purple lol, and less government interference and intervention works for me. And...

In the context of this thread, government blue or red, please leave us alone. I chose to vape over smoking. I don't need you to regulate anything. Not for my good, or for the good of your own kids. Yes, JUUL did make a very sell-able product. If you are red, a free market type, what is there to be upset about? If you are blue, then don't use it if you feel it is un-safe. The grey purple middle ;)
 

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Absolutely, well said. They need each other to balance, and challenge. Disagreement can work very well to slow down chaotic impluses. And oh yes, the blue line goes nuts too. Also why I hope one person cannot just sign an order banning vaping, it should require input from other branches, or even better, do not get involved at all.
everything I’ve seen so far, with the possible exception of New York, I don’t know how that one worked, has been an executive order, which doesn’t require anyone but the executive. They can be retracted at any time as well. They often don’t survive a regime change but have been known to. For many years now, due to the intractability of the senate due to filibusters it has been nearly impossible to pass any law of any kind in the US, so most stuff is done by executive order. It’s a huge problem. It currently can only be solved when one party gets 61% of the senate.
What some might say as a drag in our system, I see as an intentional mandate, so that one person's impluse of the moment doesn't become law on a whim. I'm a purple lol, and less government interference and intervention works for me. And...

In the context of this thread, government blue or red, please leave us alone. I chose to vape over smoking. I don't need you to regulate anything. Not for my good, or for the good of your own kids. Yes, JUUL did make a very sell-able product. If you are red, a free market type, what is there to be upset about? If you are blue, then don't use it if you feel it is un-safe. The grey purple middle ;)
 
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