Another seemingly misleading article

[DarrenMG]

Obviously you do want someone to tell you every move to make. The demonrat socialist party will be happy to lead you sheeple to the slaughter house.

Ahm no, I was a red type and will be again as soon as there is a moderate version, and the socialism stuff is equally as offensive to me. This a huge assumption. If you don't like donnie that means you don't like the red party, or you are a socialist (sadly there has been some of that). Being anti-donnie does not make me a socialist though. Both go to extremes. Government please stay out of my business. vaping is in a strange way one of the best examples of government over-reach. I am not hurting anyone by vaping. I've told my doctor I vape to quit smoking. Yep we don't know that vaping is long term safe either, but what I do know is I feel better for it, I am really not harming anyone else, and what I don't need is my government interefering with this option. The free market will figure out if it is safe or not.

p.s. this if you are not for me, you are against me mindset sucks, it's such black and white thinking. You have to be red or blue, there is no middle ground, grrrr.

 

[gpjoe]

Yep. Misinformation and rushing to judgement. To complicate matters drug users tend to lie about using drugs.

This.

Every time I read or hear a story about a teen that got ill while vaping black-market THC I think of this conversation:

Parent: OMG, junior, how did this happen?

Teen: I don't know mom (or dad) I was just vaping and don't feel well.

Parent: What were you vaping?

Teen: You know, just a Juul I got from Johnny.

Parent: I hope they ban all that vaping stuff!

The teen knows he or she will get his/her .... kicked or grounded for using THC so they conveniently leave that part out of the discussion. Meantime, we're buying out all the flavored e-liquid and nicotine base we can find before our mindless politicos ban all the stuff that is literally adding years to our lives.

 

[DarrenMG]

@bombastinator - Just FYI, you are a very intelligent person, you see the pluses and minuses clearly. That also means you have can never be a politician (that's a compliment FYI ).

 

[DarrenMG]

The teen knows he or she will get his/her .... kicked or grounded for using THC so they conveniently leave that part out of the discussion. Meantime, we're buying out all the flavored e-liquid and nicotine base we can find before our mindless politicos ban all the stuff that is literally adding years to our lives.

Of course and what the teen doesn't know is the vast majority will not want to see them beat up for trying out THC, but all they do know is they fear arrest, and being in a worse position for admitting the truth. I would bet almost ever teen who is in a hospital due to vaping was vaping some of that. It seems like a safe bet. Oh and parents if you want truth from your kids, then don't beat them up for the truth, duh.

 

[stols001]

Epic drug explanation and what drugs I have taken and what they have done to me, including put me on the BURN unit but Eskie was more concise. So redacted. LOL.

Bomb you may be good with the politics but you know NOT enough about medications to NOT have a really good psych if you need one. No offense.

I'm just waiting for the damn day that US politics like can be described more COMPLEXLY than with a COLOR coded system.

I mean that is just FAIL number ONE. British politics is where it's at, they all actually DO wear wigs and sometimes they attack each other with CANES. The only "purple" described is, "How purple is your bruise?"

US politics are going to go terminal someday, I sincerely hope. Then perhaps we could start over.

I still vote for the lottery system. TOTALLY.


Anna

 

[Vapntime]

@bombastinator - Just FYI, you are a very intelligent person, you see the pluses and minuses clearly. That also means you have can never be a politician (that's a compliment FYI ).

Don't encourage him, he has only recently been brought back under control

 

[DarrenMG]

I'm just waiting for the damn day that US politics like can be described more COMPLEXLY than with a COLOR coded system.

Yea, wouldn't that be great if we could describe it without it being one color or another. There is nothing in the middle right? (sarcasm). You have to be entirely for or against one or the other. All or nothing.

Speaking of which, I am hopeful that the 'vaping is bad' trend disappears behind some other story, but at least on occasion I am seeing a few articles that remind, it may not be risk free, but it has helped so many people get off smokes. Not no harm, but less harm (gray or grey thinking).

Then again, the sarcastic pessimist in me wants to say Melania, all those stories you saw in the news about teens getting sick from vaping? 'fake' news! That is our current new normal, it's fake, and so following that line of reasoning, we absolutely do not need to act on it, no federal interference needed.

 

[P3ch3]

I was looking for something the other day and wound up on dh gate. They are selling quantities of empty cartridges with the legal cannabis dispenseries names on them. And they are dirt cheap. Horrible.

on alliexpress, alibaba and plenty other cheap emarkets you can get empty carts to make your own ones... also you could find empty displayboxes, those carts arent trustful for me ...

Well vaping pure marijuana from a stranger what could go wrong.

still the most horrible trivia for this guy on the news... lol

Legalizing marijuana. What can go wrong?

is not about the thing being legal or not, is mostly a education thing...

I really wonder what vaping ketamine (pure, pharmaceutical grade) is like and if it would be a decent delivery system for ketamine.

Ketamine interested me a TON because they were trialing it for severe refractory treatment resistant depression, but the dose required made it necessary that an anesthesiologist be on board, and you needed treatments every three days.

There is now some evidence that it is additive over time, and some folks are going 2--3 weeks between treatments.

Starting it sort of seemed-- difficult especially since I wasn't on the East Coast where I could enroll in a study. I think it would have been ultimately less hard on my body than lithium. The results for many study participants were rather startling.

Oh well. I don't think I will be searching for some Ketamine to vape although it's an interesting idea. The other stuff, not so much.

Anna

sorry to say this, but ketamine is a very dangerous thing.. if you know what you are doing, fine, but if not make a huge research cuz this thing is one of the most controvertial drugs used in some cheap ways.... amazingly addictive too, so pleae beware!

Regards,

 

[DarrenMG]

is not about the thing being legal or not, is mostly a education thing...

sorry to say this, but ketamine is a very dangerous thing.. if you know what you are doing, fine, but if not make a huge research cuz this thing is one of the most controvertial drugs used in some cheap ways.... amazingly addictive too, so pleae beware!

Regards,

About all I've heard is there some people who have experienced life changing benefits, but the stupid stigma has prevented them from getting a treatment that could make their life better, finally. Years and years of depression lifted.

I agree self dosing is dangerous, but the FDA's job should be (yes I know I am an idealist) not just about blocking, but also about approving what helps people. Again, I know, idealistic. But people who are in much emotional pain sometimes need more then kind words. Nothing wrong with that. It's the stigma that gets in the way of helping them.

 

[P3ch3]

About all I've heard is there some people who have experienced life changing benefits, but the stupid stigma has prevented them from getting a treatment that could make their life better, finally. Years and years of depression lifted.

I agree self dosing is dangerous, but the FDA's job should be (yes I know I am an idealist) not just about blocking, but also about approving what helps people. Again, I know, idealistic. But people who are in much emotional pain sometimes need more then kind words. Nothing wrong with that. It's the stigma that gets in the way of helping them.

now i realize that is not only matter of education .. lets add also a bit of logic here, several interest in common such as greed, well, the dilema here is big enough,

i do believe that could change life too, but again, the responsibility of making free for all or medical use always will be affected by greed and society.


Regards

 

[stols001]

KETAMINE WORKS. For the love of god it passed enough trials that it is a LEGITIMATE TREATMENT.

I was freaking KIDDING when talking about freaking KETAMINE VAPING and if ONE MORE person LECTURES me or is all like, "Be careful" I am going to have to get upset. I AM NOT AN IDIOT IT WAS PURE, SLIGHLTY interested speculation.

Ketamine has cured some of the worst cases of treatment resistance out there, but the delivery method is a pain, the protocol is a pain, and I'M NOT interested right now.

I have HITCHED my cart firmly to Lithium. It gave me dentures at the age of 33, it KILLED MY thyroid, believe me I am ALL IN. My last decade with lithium has been PURE HEAVEN.

If it ever freaking kills my kidneys which I sincerely hope it won't I will take a look at the best options out there one of which is EMSAM which is a NON -MAOI that bypasses all the dangerous drug interactions by being a transdermal patch only the FDA refused to let the drug companies LABEL it that way so a lot of dumb psychiatrists think it's the devil. Or whatever else is interesting around that time.

It will take MONTHS of research and whatnot, because frankly EVERY drug meeting EVERY brain is a freaking DRUG trial. I could go NUTS on Emsam, I might become the Virgin Mary on Ketamine WHO THE HELL KNOWS.

Just SHUT up about ketamine already and kindly accept that when in comes to psychiatric drugs and their effects on ME and OTHERS ! I know more than the lot of you COMBINED.

ARGH.

I am sorry okay? BUT I have a MSW, the kind of bipolar that kills most people and I've worked in this field for decades PLEASE leave me alone I have had drug reactions that put me on the burn unit, followed by a FULLY unwanted abortion due to the UNSAFE for pregnancy meds that put me in the burn unit to begin with "the safe ones" I REALLY DON'T want to debate this.

IF or WHEN I leave lithium and try ketamine you will all be the LAST to know. I promise. Because I will be on my MED forums. Jesus.

Twits. There are no safe spaces, and you figure out what works by FAILING drug after drug after drug until you can go from mere survival, to happiness.

ALL you are doing is making me reflect on what would happen if I had to give up lithium. PLEASE stop. IF there is ONE consolation to getting on lithium LATE in life is that I might DIE on it.

Jesus.

Anna

 

[Vapntime]

I know the feeling @stols001 I have been going to my psychiatrist for so long he now asks me what he should be prescribing to his other patients...

 

[DarrenMG]

It's very cool Anna. Depression sucks and it's insidious, and it's often physiological too. If there is a treatment that can help people feel better, let the stigma about depression go, approve it. Yes there might be side effects, but what drug doesn't have side effects? People can be so judgmental. They believe it's all just a matter of will power. It's not. I've worked with people with MH issues for much of my life and they aren't that way because of some lack of will power. Actually some of them have incredible will power, but you can only fight physiology for so long.

The problem here is that by overly regulating something that could really help some people, you end up hurting the people who could benefit the most.

For whatever it's worth, my brain doesn't function very well without a shot or two of caffeine and some nicotine during the day. People can judge that if they want, but oh well. I have no intention of giving up vaping if it helps me to get through each day.

 

[DarrenMG]

now i realize that is not only matter of education ..
Regards

Hey man what I am about to post is not meant to disagree, just to reaffirm...

Nothing wrong with education, but that is also what got lost. This belief that will power, or religion, is all that is needed is often what we educate people in.

People suffering from a life time of depression, bi-polar, and several other issues, are not lacking will power or god. Their chemistry is just different. The will power and religion stuff is just to make others feel better (I will pray for you, thanks but that won't help). The drug mentioned here has already been show to make some real life changing benefits for those who could benefit. We don't need to pray. What we need to do is let them have easier, more affordable, access to it, and to put the stigma aside.

 

[P3ch3]

Hey man what I am about to post is not meant to disagree, just to reaffirm...

Nothing wrong with education, but that is also what got lost. This belief that will power, or religion, is all that is needed is often what we educate people in.

People suffering from a life time of depression, bi-polar, and several other issues, are not lacking will power or god. Their chemistry is just different. The will power and religion stuff is just to make others feel better (I will pray for you, thanks but that won't help). The drug mentioned here has already been show to make some real life changing benefits for those who could benefit. We don't need to pray. What we need to do is let them have easier, more affordable, access to it, and to put the stigma aside.

no no, i was just telling, education ...

the biggest scandal with THC, CDB and more from cannabis is larger topic, there the medical users... pretty fine, the recreational users... uhm... fine... the thing is the people that gets into just because of fashion, trying to fit another circle, well we have plenty weird and stupid things to fill out...