Any research showing how quickly vapor dissipates?

[Alto101]

If you don't want to read the entire story - I am looking for a study that quantifies the amount of time that second-hand vapor takes to dissipate. Also are there any reputable sources that debunk the third-hand vapor risk?


So my wife who suffers from asthma and nasal congestion issues saw her allergist yesterday. My wife asked her how my vaping in the house could impact her various issues. The Doctor admitted that she was ignorant about vaping but proceeded to recommend that I only vape outside and wear a jacket when I vape that I would remove once I come back into the house. I wasn't there but apparently the Doctor believes that there is risk from third-hand vapor! The Doctor did say that she would look into this more before the next appointment. Maybe she will be less ignorant or maybe she will think vaping is worse than smoking, who knows!

Anyway, I have previously printed out and gone over the various research articles with my wife and it seemed to help her understand that there is no risk from second-hand vapor. I should also add that we have a very effective air filter which runs constantly and I almost never vape when she is around. So you take something that is effectively harmless, let it dissipate, then filter it and the end result is that she has never noticed any issues. Sometimes she can smell a residue which seems to give her concern.

If I believed that there was any impact of my vaping in the house, I would go out into the garage. It might come to that anyway despite any evidence. Simply put, unless I could show her a scientific study done showing no impact of second-hand vapor to people with her medical conditions over a long-term period, she is always going to have her doubts. Obviously, no such study exists yet.

I am going to try once more to go through the scientific evidence with her to counteract the remark that her Doctor made about third-hand vapor. I am all set with what I need except something showing how long it takes exhaled vapor to dissipate in general. I know it is quicker than cigarette smoke but I have not been able to find it quantified.

Thanks!

 

[MamaRymes]

http://m.nydailynews.com/life-style...cotine-toxins-tobacco-study-article-1.1565760

This is about all I could find that doesn't have Glantz all over it. Raises nicotine levels, but that's about it. Hope it helps

 

[Robino1]

I think there are too many variables in play to do an absolute statement.

Such as, humidity, wind, ventilation and even temperature.

I have not come across any studies on how rapidly the vapor dissipates.

Bump in case someone else may have.

 

[bluecat]

As someone who suffers from allergens, I have always used myself as a guinea pig first. From 8-10 years, the allergist pumped me full of allergens to reduce my allergies. Somethings I am allergic to cigarette smoke, cats, dogs, grass and trees. I still go outside (sometimes my eyes get red sometimes I get the hives.. I still go outside. I have 1 cat and 2 dogs. I smoked for 30 years.

Like you I have a very nice air filter system on the furnace and AC. My wife loves to open the windows. Go figure and the she gets mad when I am cranky.

BTW.. I vape outside not in the house. The vapor we exhale consists generally of PG/VG and food flavorings. The vapor would contain residues of the items which may or may not be contained in the filtration system. Whether is dissipates or not, I wouldn't think would matter.

The only way to truly know is to see if she has a reaction to your vaping. Similar to a peanut allergy. You don't know until you go into anephaletic shock.

 

[Alto101]

As someone who suffers from allergens, I have always used myself as a guinea pig first. From 8-10 years, the allergist pumped me full of allergens to reduce my allergies. Somethings I am allergic to cigarette smoke, cats, dogs, grass and trees. I still go outside (sometimes my eyes get red sometimes I get the hives.. I still go outside. I have 1 cat and 2 dogs. I smoked for 30 years.

Like you I have a very nice air filter system on the furnace and AC. My wife loves to open the windows. Go figure and the she gets mad when I am cranky.

BTW.. I vape outside not in the house. The vapor we exhale consists generally of PG/VG and food flavorings. The vapor would contain residues of the items which may or may not be contained in the filtration system. Whether is dissipates or not, I wouldn't think would matter.

The only way to truly know is to see if she has a reaction to your vaping. Similar to a peanut allergy. You don't know until you go into anephaletic shock.

Very good points! She has never had a reaction to my vaping, This is merely a response to what her Doctor said. Basically, she is afraid that despite her not having a reaction, the vaping is still contributing to her nasal issues. It is impossible for me to prove a negative.

I am not surprised that there isn't a study that quantifies how long the vapor takes to dissipate given the variables. I was hoping that I had missed something that had been written about though.

We also have cats and she is highly allergic to them. The cats were members of the household before she was and I have offered to find new homes for them but she doesn't want to. That would significantly improve her living conditions.

 

[Robino1]

With the cats added into the equation, I am thinking that they are the sole cause for the issues. My hubby is VERY allergic to cats and I am a cat person. I had 4 indoor cats that I no longer have (this was years ago and my ex kept them after our divorce) and the running joke in our house is that if anything happens to him (hubby) I will probably get a cat before calling authorities YES IT IS A JOKE!

 

[skoony]

BMC Public Health | Abstract | Peering through the mist: systematic review of what the chemistry of contaminants in electronic cigarettes tells us about health risks

for starters.
there is a study that indicates if you where in a 10 x 10 x 10 foot un-ventilated room
with some one constantly vaping it would take 4 to 8 hours to detect any increase of nicotine in
your system. it still would be less than eating 2 ounces of potatoes. notice i said increase
in nicotine levels.90 % of the population tests positive for nicotine as it is in the food we eat.
regards
mike

 

[Miata GT]

Vape high PG, it's what they use in the air systems in hospitals, isn't it?

 

[kakiser56]

You have to love the comments that people make on these types of news articles.

 

[Israfil]

There were some early studies, in ..god..I think it was 09 or 10 that indicated the nicotine shortly after it leaves your mouth has basically dissipated. Not sure if they were accurate, or where the nic went, they were VERY early studies. I'd say perform an experiment. Let her know the plan, go on vacation for a bit, take your vape, and see what exposure does without the cats. If shes feeling better indoors without the cats than the vapor probably isn't causing much in the way of adverse reaction. It wouldn't prove the negative, but it'd at least see which is worse.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

Have you tried not to ever exhale?

 

[Mogar]

Yes, Hospitals pump PG through their air system to capture airborne particulates. VG is food grade and is consumable. The only things that MIGHT (yes might) have an effect is the flavorings. Nic is natural stimulant found in foods as well which dissipates very quickly to low levels. I think the Doctor was covering themselves from something that they are unaware of.

Unless you shotgun your wife (with vapor, not a pump action) I highly doubt there will be any second hand effects. As to Third Hand... give me a break. Unless someone has an extreme reaction to airborne vapor, it is extremely highly unlikely that there would be enough to have even trace elements transferred.

 

[yoitstj]

I always had one room in the house that I smoked in. It had an air filter in there, nothing fancy, and we kept the door closed. Even a non smoker could not smell smoke until they got within a few feet of the door. Now that I vape, I vape everywhere. I gotta be honest here, and Im sorry if this is rude, but I would not bow to this just because her Dr who admits ignorrance is against it. Are you really serious? I would politely ask my wife to think for herself and do some research. I would not spend time trying to come up w scientific arguments. If its not bothering her allergies or asthma then your answer is right there in plain sight where it always was...... even before she went to see that ignorant Dr.

 

[Alto101]

Many good points. I would switch to a higher PG ratio but I have read that PG isn't great for cats. I agree that this whole issue is way overblown with her and there is no harm being done to her by the vaping. The real culprits are the cats and they love her

Any of the research done so far isn't going to solve this issue and this isn't going to be the last stupid made up crap she hears from a doctor. This is going to be a constant issue between the two of us unless I relent and make the garage my home which isn't all that appealing. All I can hope is that with time she will realize that this does not need to be an issue.

It is very frustrating....

 

[yoitstj]

Many good points. I would switch to a higher PG ratio but I have read that PG isn't great for cats. I agree that this whole issue is way overblown with her and there is no harm being done to her by the vaping. The real culprits are the cats and they love her

Any of the research done so far isn't going to solve this issue and this isn't going to be the last stupid made up crap she hears from a doctor. This is going to be a constant issue between the two of us unless I relent and make the garage my home which isn't all that appealing. All I can hope is that with time she will realize that this does not need to be an issue.

It is very frustrating....

I wish you luck

 

[FlamingoTutu]

As someone who suffers from allergens, I have always used myself as a guinea pig first. From 8-10 years, the allergist pumped me full of allergens to reduce my allergies. Somethings I am allergic to cigarette smoke, cats, dogs, grass and trees. I still go outside (sometimes my eyes get red sometimes I get the hives.. I still go outside. I have 1 cat and 2 dogs. I smoked for 30 years.

Like you I have a very nice air filter system on the furnace and AC. My wife loves to open the windows. Go figure and the she gets mad when I am cranky.

BTW.. I vape outside not in the house. The vapor we exhale consists generally of PG/VG and food flavorings. The vapor would contain residues of the items which may or may not be contained in the filtration system. Whether is dissipates or not, I wouldn't think would matter.

The only way to truly know is to see if she has a reaction to your vaping. Similar to a peanut allergy. You don't know until you go into anephaletic shock.

OMG, you sound just like me! I'm allergic to dogs, cats, birds, rabbits, etc. We've had all of them and loved them dearly. Living without animals is a fate worse than death to us so I just deal with it. Love being outdoors but get hay fever and a local mold gives me asthma. At the height of the hay fever season I do have to hide indoors if I want to survive but otherwise have learned to live with it. BP inhaler, Benadryl and allergy eye drop manufacturers love me.

To the OP, have you tried vaping unflavored in the house to see if that makes a difference?