Anybody else see the new Vuse ad yet?

[Racehorse]

it doesn't come across as all that different from lots of other companies. "All our products are diacetyl free" type stuff.

Well that's sort of a good point. People can be easily misled, regardless of what *side* they're on, and what truth they are being peddled.

A true individualist doesn't buy into any of it, regardless of what side they are coming from, precisely because their SOP is to think for themselves. That is good, and also why, even among some vapers, there is disagreement on a lot of stuff.

Reading Eric Hoffer's True Believer in the 60's kept me from ever becoming any sort of *true believer*. The uniformity of thought that is required (lest one risk ostracism) makes me a non-candidate to be fanatical for any cause.....because there is always quite a bit of manipulation (usually of an emotional nature) required to achieve group-think.

IMHO it's good when a study or insight comes along that explodes our thinking/beliefs. It is the way all truth-seeking progresses, feels it's way thru the dark.

One thing I know for sure and that is that nobody has all The Truth (trademark sign). People who only believe that which advances their own political, social, or emotional viewpoint (believe only what they want to believe) are always at an extreme. And that is never a good place to be.

 

[darkkitsune]

Funny reading this post now. I got a Vuse advert in my mailbox today. It's in the bin

 

[AndriaD]

Which is strange in a way, because Fox News commentators have been practically the only sources of non-ANTZy rhetoric about e-cigs in the whole of the major broadcast media.

I guess the check finally cleared.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

From what I read on ECF there seems to be at least some brand loyalty to some mods and some eliquid blenders / flavors. But it is based on superior products, not just advertising.

Right, but I'd still submit that this isn't much of a corollary to cigarette-style brand loyalty. I might have a fairly strong loyalty to Halo's liquids, but I use them in all manner of different devices, none of which are made by Halo.

"SUPERIOR PRODUCTS" is key, and also flexibility. I've stopped buying Hard Rock Vapor's Blueberry Muffin flavor, as much as I love the taste, because all their liquids are 50/50, and they won't customize, and the also offer only 0mg, 8mg, and 16mg. So now I get Blueberry Muffin from Sweet-Vapes, who let me customize the PG/VG to any proportions I desire, and offer the standard 0/6/12/18/etc -- and it costs less, even with shipping! Is Sweet-Vapes' juice *objectively* better than HRV's? I dunno; but what they offer is service, to provide an eliquid *exactly* as the customer desires it, not as the vendor thinks it ought to be for everyone! THAT makes it SUPERIOR!

What flexibility do cigarettes offer? Regular, menthol, light, ultra-light. And all are equally dangerous. No thanks!!!

Andria

 

[Jman8]

One thing I know for sure and that is that nobody has all The Truth (trademark sign).

Quoting this because:
a) I am humored by the choice of wording to make this point, especially the "know for sure" part as it contrasts with what is later being said.

and b) because I truly believe that everyone has 'all the Truth' within them, and that it is way more obvious / simple than our intellectual side can grasp. I often wonder how people can make a claim of not having all the truth without actually having an inkling (or knowledge) of what all the Truth actually is.

But I realize neither a, nor b, has much to do with the Vuse ad nor with the point I made, and that you responded to.

 

[dragonpuff]

I guess the check finally cleared.

Andria

(10 char...)

 

[Frocket]

I can't hate on Vuse too much. Sure, it's an underhanded strategy for big tobacco to skew public perception and pander to the FDA - that's pretty obvious.

However, cig-a-likes are a "gateway" device. I started vaping back in 2009, with the very first Blu devices, and eventually fell off the vaping wagon because cig-a-likes couldn't hold me. Back then, it was either use those or build your own (mods really were modifications of flashlights and whatnot). Anyway, fast forward - today there are options.

Those original Blu POS was the gateway that led me to where I am now - less dependent on nicotine, but addicted to new mods, wicks, coils, RDAs and with a much higher understanding of electricity than I ever learned in high school. If Vuse leads people here, it can't be all bad.

 

[OCD]

So I was watching TV and I just saw an ad for Vuse, which is own by RJ Renoylds if I'm not mistaken. It seems that unlike Blu, they're taking very subtle shots at the industry we know. They claim to be the "first vapor cigarette to be made in the USA by 'tobacco experts'." They go on to say "welcome to tomorrow." This seems important because they're using the same advertising tactics as somebody like Green Nicotine only much more subtle: trying to make themselves look like the "quality professionally made" product while the products we know are the "sketchy street/made in china unregulated" product. Maybe I'm looking too far into it but it seems like their message is a very implied "yeah the vaping industry is dangerous and unregulated but we're not like that."

Just saw this ad the other night. The one I saw said "Designed and Assembled" in the US so you can pretty well guess where it is made, same place most of the rest of the vaping products market is made.

OT, My own device 99% of the time is a Provari (US Made) Carto Tank (US Made) DiY eLiquid (US Made though origins of components unknown) and a Cartomizer (Chinese Made). To be fair the batteries are also of Chinese origin though Teslas new Gigawatt factory leads me to the hope that maybe there will be a US made battery in our future.

 

[Sham66]

According to the VUSE web site. The E-liquid is USA made, the Cartomizers are USA Made, but the Battery is assembled in the United States.

 

[Sirius]

ECCR put this bit out on Vuse..it will be a cold day in hell when I buy one of these things! V-Liquid..Ha!

http://www.electroniccigaretteconsu...use-digital-vapor-cigarette-e-cig-commercial/

 

[Sirius]

First Vuse and now the Mark 10..BT is lining them up and getting ready to play real dirty.
http://www.electroniccigaretteconsumerreviews.com/altria-announces-new-mark-ten-ecig-evapor-device/

 

[Sirius]

As a newly middle-aged man who's been a registered big-L Libertarian his entire adult life, let me assure you I'm perfectly accustomed to being uncomfortably close to RINOs. They always go away eventually if you don't feed them.

Missed this bit. Nate it's good to know that you are another Mustang not willing to graze with the sheep. I'm quite use to it too however I have a few converts from both sides liberal and conservative under my belt. Always shooting for more to help tow our lonely line of trying to get liberty back into the lives of our fellow countrymen and women.
I try to point out that the Koch brothers, Michael Bloomberg and George Soros should be the least of their worries. Big government is killing America and if something isn't done soon America will effectively be too expensive for any but the wealthy to live in. Leaving the rest of us slaves to the government. E-Cig regulation is just one example of just how regulations and superficial legislation will harm society just as prohibition gave a big boost to organized crime imo.
When will people wake the hell up?

RJ Reynolds and Phillip Morris Int. are not going to let regulations stop them. Why should we?