Anybody Using A Kabuki?

[classwife]

Did ya ever have one of those days?

ohhh noooooo !

I am so sorry !

 

[Enta]

Got some great mail today.

 

[Katdarling]

Looks nice but...Im kinda disappointed = doesnt look quite the same as my P3 GMZ...?


Anybody have all 3 ? What do u think ?

Yes, in fact, I do. I love them all, together, or separated. The sheen of the GMZ differs, as Zen explained, due to what is under it, and yet they look marvelous together! At least I think so!

That's the one thing I'd like to see stop both on here and in B&M's is the push to go lower nic levels asap. I have to agree with something Zen said once, too many people recommend things that ultimately under nic. The belief that massive clouds from sub ohm /low nic set ups is just as good as high ohm high nic is plain wrong for most people. The closer the feel of the hit is to a cig , the more successful the transition and for a lot that means 12 to as much as 32mg nic on a moderate(1.6-2.5ohm) set up.

Would LIKE this post a bazillion times if I could! Ca, you got it!!!!!!!!!

It drives me nuts that our industry is trying to force our hand to sub ohming and low nic, and don't get me started on the all VG vapes!
Had I been starting these days, I doubt I'd be a vaper. I'll be 5 this month, so evidently the old skool way has served me VERY well!

Got some great mail today.

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STUNNING. Congrats, Enta. vape that beauty in the best of health!

 

[Enta]

STUNNING. Congrats, Enta. vape that beauty in the best of health!

Thanks!
The little beauty is gonna have to wait until my GMZ 2.5 mini gets shipped to me.

 

[newyork13]

Your right about your nic level. I'd keep the 6mg but also have some 12 mg as well. Just like when ya smoked, there will be days when you need more and days when you need less. You can also mix them in equal amounts to get around a 9mg nic level. It all depends on what is satisfying to you.

That's the one thing I'd like to see stop both on here and in B&M's is the push to go lower nic levels asap. I have to agree with something Zen said once, too many people recommend things that ultimately under nic. The belief that massive clouds from sub ohm /low nic set ups is just as good as high ohm high nic is plain wrong for most people. The closer the feel of the hit is to a cig , the more successful the transition and for a lot that means 12 to as much as 32mg nic on a moderate(1.6-2.5ohm) set up.

I see it all the time hanging out at my local shop. Smokers come in with sub tanks running high watts and low nic wondering why it isn't working to stop cravings. I set em up with something closer to what they smoked out of my gear to try and ultimately that sub ohm set up ends up gettting put away ,or relegated to the cloud fun gear stash.

And, there's not much "real" evidence that nic is harmful in the amounts we vape. Do what satisfies you and negates your cig cravings

 

[Zen~]

I'm sorry that some people are disappointed that the GMZ kabuki doesn't "exactly" match the GMZ P3 in color... There are a few reasons why this is the case.

The P3 is highly polished before coating, and the coating, which is very thin, will take on the same reflective of the substrate metal finish. The Kabuki has a machined finish, the P3 is polished... the Kabuki will have a finish that is more "satin", and the P3 will be glossy.

Now I know what some people are thinking.... Why not polish the Kabuki first, then it will match!

And the answer is that it STILL will not match... The base metal is different, and that effects the color... so you'll have the same gloss, and the color will not match...

THEN there is time... ZenKote™ actually darkens a bit with age... a P3 ZenKote™ PV that is 1 year old will not be the exact same color as one that is a week or two old...

GMZ is a finish process, not an exact color. It always looks beautiful, but it is dynamic... and it's the toughest coating you'll probably ever own, on anything that you will ever own in your life. As a decorative finish on a Mod, I've yet to see anything superior. I haven't even seen anything that even comes close!

 

[Knifemaker]

Good Stuff!

Knife

 

[ENAUD]

I'm sorry that some people are disappointed that the GMZ kabuki doesn't "exactly" match the GMZ P3 in color... There are a few reasons why this is the case.

The P3 is highly polished before coating, and the coating, which is very thin, will take on the same reflective of the substrate metal finish. The Kabuki has a machined finish, the P3 is polished... the Kabuki will have a finish that is more "satin", and the P3 will be glossy.

Now I know what some people are thinking.... Why not polish the Kabuki first, then it will match!

And the answer is that it STILL will not match... The base metal is different, and that effects the color... so you'll have the same gloss, and the color will not match...

THEN there is time... ZenKote™ actually darkens a bit with age... a P3 ZenKote™ PV that is 1 year old will not be the exact same color as one that is a week or two old...

GMZ is a finish process, not an exact color. It always looks beautiful, but it is dynamic... and it's the toughest coating you'll probably ever own, on anything that you will ever own in your life. As a decorative finish on a Mod, I've yet to see anything superior. I haven't even seen anything that even comes close!

I got a gold Zenkote back maybe a year ago, and expected it to pick up some character over time...I was disappointed that it didn't Even after dropping it on a tile floor hard enough to require a return to Provape to get the board re-secured, there is not a mark on that mod... One thing I do wonder about is the "feel" in hand of the Zenkote. It seems to be more grippy when new and settles down after a time to a more pleasant "feel", at least to my hands. Hard to explain, but something seems to change with age with the finish...

 

[Katdarling]

One thing I do wonder about is the "feel" in hand of the Zenkote. It seems to be more grippy when new and settles down after a time to a more pleasant "feel", at least to my hands. Hard to explain, but something seems to change with age with the finish...

So that's what has happened to me!


<groan>

 

[ENAUD]

So that's what has happened to me!


<groan>

LMAO

 

[coldgin96]

I'm sorry that some people are disappointed that the GMZ kabuki doesn't "exactly" match the GMZ P3 in color... There are a few reasons why this is the case.

The P3 is highly polished before coating, and the coating, which is very thin, will take on the same reflective of the substrate metal finish. The Kabuki has a machined finish, the P3 is polished... the Kabuki will have a finish that is more "satin", and the P3 will be glossy.

Now I know what some people are thinking.... Why not polish the Kabuki first, then it will match!

And the answer is that it STILL will not match... The base metal is different, and that effects the color... so you'll have the same gloss, and the color will not match...

THEN there is time... ZenKote™ actually darkens a bit with age... a P3 ZenKote™ PV that is 1 year old will not be the exact same color as one that is a week or two old...

GMZ is a finish process, not an exact color. It always looks beautiful, but it is dynamic... and it's the toughest coating you'll probably ever own, on anything that you will ever own in your life. As a decorative finish on a Mod, I've yet to see anything superior. I haven't even seen anything that even comes close!

Hmm... I just noticed the difference yesterday when doing the weekly PM on our P3's and didn't think much of it 'cause it looks pretty close and good to me! Besides, I bought it for Jackie (for her GMZ P3) and she's never said a word except, "Awesome! Thank you!"

 

[JD53]

So excited! If I normally vaped at 12 nic on my Halo Triton pen, should I lower my nic slightly for the higher power of my Provari? I am currently using Nautilus tanks at 6 nic and occasionally 3, but I find that I am taking a lot more drags off of my mod. I wonder if it is because I am not satisfied with the lower nic levels...

I bounced around from 6% to 24%. I found that 12% was a minimum and 18% worked really well. I can't describe the look of horror at my local B&M when I ask for 12 or 18. I can't describe the look of horror on my face when they don't have anything over 6.

 

[jwbnyc]

Your right about your nic level. I'd keep the 6mg but also have some 12 mg as well. Just like when ya smoked, there will be days when you need more and days when you need less. You can also mix them in equal amounts to get around a 9mg nic level. It all depends on what is satisfying to you.

That's the one thing I'd like to see stop both on here and in B&M's is the push to go lower nic levels asap. I have to agree with something Zen said once, too many people recommend things that ultimately under nic. The belief that massive clouds from sub ohm /low nic set ups is just as good as high ohm high nic is plain wrong for most people. The closer the feel of the hit is to a cig , the more successful the transition and for a lot that means 12 to as much as 32mg nic on a moderate(1.6-2.5ohm) set up.

I see it all the time hanging out at my local shop. Smokers come in with sub tanks running high watts and low nic wondering why it isn't working to stop cravings. I set em up with something closer to what they smoked out of my gear to try and ultimately that sub ohm set up ends up gettting put away ,or relegated to the cloud fun gear stash.

Amen Brother.

 

[jwbnyc]

Here's the thing:

You will know when it is time to drop your nic, just as you know when it is time to up your nic.

Going by what other people have to say on the subject is no substitute for personal experience.

If you think you are not getting enough nic, you probably aren't.

If you think you are getting too much, you probably are.

It's as simple as that.

The problem is that newbies are being told to start at 3-6mg.

Might work for some, but not that many imo.

And then they wonder what is wrong.

It is better to go a bit high to begin with and work your way down, than to start too low and work your way up, again imo.

 

[cllmda]

I'm sorry that some people are disappointed that the GMZ kabuki doesn't "exactly" match the GMZ P3 in color... There are a few reasons why this is the case.


GMZ is a finish process, not an exact color. It always looks beautiful, but it is dynamic... and it's the toughest coating you'll probably ever own, on anything that you will ever own in your life. As a decorative finish on a Mod, I've yet to see anything superior. I haven't even seen anything that even comes close!

My GMZ P3 is the most beautiful of all my P3's...I didnt expect to like it that much ... I was sure that my Titanium P3 or my High gloss Raspberry would be my faves...BUT...as soon as I saw it in the box I fell instantly in love with it.I LUV its shiny high gloss......AND the subtle color too...blue-grey???........I consider it my N° 1 most beautiful Mod,even better than my new Midnight blue radius!

I love it so much id like to have a GMZK of everything!! the tank the driptip a stand a box to keep my vape stuff in.....I could go ON & ON !

Im still gonna get the GMZ Kabuki as soon as theyre available again,even if the colors dont match exactly..

Ive seen pics (thanks guys)and the people who have them have all said how nice they look together-even if slightly dis-similar.

 

[cllmda]

I bounced around from 6% to 24%. I found that 12% was a minimum and 18% worked really well. I can't describe the look of horror at my local B&M when I ask for 12 or 18. I can't describe the look of horror on my face when they don't have anything over 6.

ys it's weird,I noticed that too ...

A LOT of ejuice vendors seem to now only offer very low NIC levels.Some dont even do as "high" as 12mg!

I know alot of people now want lower nic because theyre sub-ohming but still..NOT EVERYONE sub-ohms...especially not new vapers!

Someone trying to quit cigs will have a rough time getting off them at first with only 3-6-12mgs NIC!

When I quit 5 yrs ago I was smoking 30 Marlb reds a day .I started off at 18mg NIC. And alot of people started off even higher! The vape stores used to recommend 18 or 24mgs min for new vapers who were heavy smokers ! My "Nic-need" dropped on its own after the first month or so.

I now usually vape at 6-3-0 so these low nic juices dont bother me personally but I wonder why juice manufacturers dont seem to sell higher nic juices anymore...(or is it only the shops not ordering in the higher levels?)

 

[cllmda]

Got some great mail today.

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Oh Im SOoo jealous!!!CONGRATS ...it Looks beautiful

Cant wait to be able to order one!

Zen said they should be getting more in in a week or so ...

 

[Knifemaker]

I could be nothing more than simple profit margin. At one time, some outlets gave differing prices for different levels of Nic. Now, rarely.
As Nic. is not cheap, perhaps there it the Higher Profit thing going on making and selling lower Nic. content, at Premium prices.

Probably all about the money! Now who would thought!!!

Knife

 

[coolerat]

ys it's weird,I noticed that too ...

A LOT of ejuice vendors seem to now only offer very low NIC levels.Some dont even do as "high" as 12mg!

I know alot of people now want lower nic because theyre sub-ohming but still..NOT EVERYONE sub-ohms...especially not new vapers!

Someone trying to quit cigs will have a rough time getting off them at first with only 3-6-12mgs NIC!

When I quit 5 yrs ago I was smoking 30 Marlb reds a day .I started off at 18mg NIC. And alot of people started off even higher! The vape stores used to recommend 18 or 24mgs min for new vapers who were heavy smokers ! My "Nic-need" dropped on its own after the first month or so.

I now usually vape at 6-3-0 so these low nic juices dont bother me personally but I wonder why juice manufacturers dont seem to sell higher nic juices anymore...(or is it only the shops not ordering in the higher levels?)

Supply and demand.

For those of us in the US right now is prolly the most pure form of the invisible hand ever. US vapers buy what they want from where they want when they want.

Create a demand for 12mg joose and they will sell it. Or if they won't someone else will. If people want 12mg joose within a month a chain of stores called 12 or Above will pop up on every street corner.

Nic content doesn't really cost anything. I think my nic costs at 6mg are about a penny. So double it we are talking about 2 pennies. A much large but still irrelevant factor would be flavoring. High nic juice uses several times the flavoring to mask the nic but its still pennies.

Once the government gets involved and Adam Smith starts rolling over in his grave market forces will no longer control it.

First they will just tax the joose my the ML across the board. This will make high nic joose the better buy and it will take off.

Then government will see they didn't get the tax bump they expected and joose will be taxed buy nic content. Separated like beer and whiskey even maybe.

At this point we will have different juices divided by price and be back to about where we are now just at a MUCH higher price.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Here's the thing:

You will know when it is time to drop your nic, just as you know when it is time to up your nic.

Going by what other people have to say on the subject is no substitute for personal experience.

If you think you are not getting enough nic, you probably aren't.

If you think you are getting too much, you probably are.

It's as simple as that.

The problem is that newbies are being told to start at 3-6mg.

Might work for some, but not that many imo.

And then they wonder what is wrong.

It is better to go a bit high to begin with and work your way down, than to start too low and work your way up, again imo.

EDIT~ I had a nice long reply to this post but ECF/Tapatalk acting really weird so I've no idea where my reply went.