Anyone Heard of / Used One-On-One Flavors?

[BadNewsBert]

That's exactly the thread I stumbled upon and found the saline info. TONS of great information in that thread. Thanks for the reassurance, I have noticed that most of my flavors that turn out good are always missing that something and don't "pop" like the store bought. Definitely going to give the saline a try and see how it goes.

Does the addition of distilled water and PGA help any with the flavor "poppage" or is that just because you are not using PG? Is there any benefit to using distilled water and/or PGA besides the thinning of the juice due to not using PG? I've noticed as time goes on I am not needing the throat hit as much and have gone from 70/30 PG/VG to 40/60, and still plan to drop more.

 

[we2rcool]

That's exactly the thread I stumbled upon and found the saline info. TONS of great information in that thread. Thanks for the reassurance, I have noticed that most of my flavors that turn out good are always missing that something and don't "pop" like the store bought. Definitely going to give the saline a try and see how it goes.

Does the addition of distilled water and PGA help any with the flavor "poppage" or is that just because you are not using PG? Is there any benefit to using distilled water and/or PGA besides the thinning of the juice due to not using PG? I've noticed as time goes on I am not needing the throat hit as much and have gone from 70/30 PG/VG to 40/60, and still plan to drop more.

'Glad to hear you'll be giving it a try! It certainly makes a difference - in many positive ways!

TH = throat irritation...both nicotine & PG are irritants (as is, of course, hot smoke). Some people seems to always want/need it; others not so much. We switched to vaping in April and we're to a point that "TH" is truly irritating! lol Besides, one gets SO MUCH more vapor with VG (and more vapor does equal more flavor - yay). Besides, we found that FW's "HEAT" can substitute perfectly for the PG throat hit (if diluted enough/correctly).

We added the wee-tiny amount of PGA to our base with the thinking that it would assist in the steeping process (helping flavors to 'melt' into the base). It helps keep the liquid from being too thick in the cold months (we have a very drafty farm house in rural Iowa). We have no idea if our 'thinking' is/was correct. What we do know is that if we add too much PGA, the nicotine delivery is adversely affected - in the extreme. At 10% PGA the nic head spins & nausea were fast & harsh...and of course, there was the the effect of vaping alcohol on top of those. No good, too much alcohol - no good at all. (I would say it's dangerous, actually).

There are those that say the water does help the flavors to pop. I wish I could say that I "know" one way or the other. But since we're never made a juice without water in our base mix, I don't have any way of knowing. I know that it's reported that MBV dilutes all of their VG juices with 30% water. I know that 20% is enough to ensure 'good flow' as far as viscosity - so perhaps it does increase 'vape flavor' in some way or another. When we tried increasing our dilution to 30% (2% PGA, 9% saline; 19% water), we lost vapor-volume, so we didn't even bother to mix it with a 'flavor' (we luvs our VG vapor volume! ) 'Don't know what would happen to vapor-volume with a VG/PG blend - I just know we diluted the VG enough that less vapor was produced. But adding water to an undiluted VG/PG blend might have a different effect.

'Hope that gives you some insight for mapping out your DIY travels!

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

Appreciate the reference and the information! I'll definitely check that thread out .

I have a pharmacy down the road, so we'll see if they'll sell it. Hopefully I don't end up at Walgreens because they already hate me for asking about syringes for mixing. They finally sold 1ml diabetic needles to me, which are completely useless unless you chop the fixed needle off (which tends to fly across the room).

I've got a few vanilla's, a few caramels and a few vanilla + caramel juices I'm working on, so I think it'd be interesting to test the solution out on.

You can learn more about using saline in this thread (starting around Post #49) http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/268760-diy-master-techniques-flavor-add-ons-em-vw-bw-mts-acv-ect-2.html#post5559578

We use a 'base' of 80% VG; 9% distilled water; 2% PGA; and 9% Sterile Saline (.9%) - for all of our juices (and for 'flavorless' vaping).

--You cannot taste the salt
--It helps to hydrate the mouth (substantially)
--Saline solution/vapor is used for all manner of "lung treatments" (with or without added pharmaceuticals)
--It makes the flavors *POP* (in a major way) - particularly chocolates, bakery, and most fruits
--It is tank/coil friendly (use only .9% sterlile saline solution without 'salt impurities')

There is absolutely no doubt in our mind that it is used by many e-juice vendors - and that it is the missing element in many DIY juices.

We get it from our local mom & pop pharmacy (around $6 per liter), but it's available on Amazon (just search for .9% saline) and you'll find dozens of options/sizes. It's commonly used for irrigating wounds - and no matter what is written, it does NOT require a prescription :::sigh:::

Some folks say it doesn't have to be used at 9/10% to cause flavors to *pop* (which may be true) - but we're diluting the VG anyway to make it thinner...so why not have a wetter mouth and the lung benefit (when we can't taste the salt anyway, and every flavor we've ever tested it with has been enhanced)?

 

[keelalagirl55]

Appreciate the reference and the information! I'll definitely check that thread out .

I have a pharmacy down the road, so we'll see if they'll sell it. Hopefully I don't end up at Walgreens because they already hate me for asking about syringes for mixing. They finally sold 1ml diabetic needles to me, which are completely useless unless you chop the fixed needle off (which tends to fly across the room).

I've got a few vanilla's, a few caramels and a few vanilla + caramel juices I'm working on, so I think it'd be interesting to test the solution out on.

Those needles on insulin syringes....they are housed in a "cap" of sorts. No need to snip them.....take a pair of pliers and grab that cap below the needle and twist and pull.....it will come off that way and leave you a nice open luer-slip type of tip

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

I actually tried that before cutting the tips off. These specific syringes are fused or melted together. If you try to remove the + looking piece of plastic holding the needle in, it first stretches and then snaps. You then have to cut the entire tip off.

I've seen some of the ones you're talking about, and that's probably what they wouldn't sell me, even after telling them I didn't want the needles in the first place. The girl behind the counter just refused to listen. Thankfully it was just $3 for 10 so no major loss.

Those needles on insulin syringes....they are housed in a "cap" of sorts. No need to snip them.....take a pair of pliers and grab that cap below the needle and twist and pull.....it will come off that way and leave you a nice open luer-slip type of tip

 

[keelalagirl55]

I actually tried that before cutting the tips off. These specific syringes are fused or melted together. If you try to remove the + looking piece of plastic holding the needle in, it first stretches and then snaps. You then have to cut the entire tip off.

I've seen some of the ones you're talking about, and that's probably what they wouldn't sell me, even after telling them I didn't want the needles in the first place. The girl behind the counter just refused to listen. Thankfully it was just $3 for 10 so no major loss.

That stinks! I haven't seen those kinds of insulin syringes. Try Walmart....I've never had a problem there. Some pharm assistants can be real jerks

 

[BadNewsBert]

Thanks for all the info cool! Looking forward to trying some new base mixes out

 

[BadNewsBert]

Just to confirm, I can mix table salt (without iodine) @ 9% with distilled water to make a usable, vapable saline solution?

 

[Bryan lord]

Do they make their own flavors? Tactical: are you a rep for the company or just kinda adopted them?


-Lord

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

Thanks for all the info cool! Looking forward to trying some new base mixes out

No problem

Just to confirm, I can mix table salt (without iodine) @ 9% with distilled water to make a usable, vapable saline solution?

I mixed 1/2 a teaspoon of sea salt (pure sea salt, no additives - iodine free) with 1 cup of water, boiled it for 10 minutes on low and let it cool down just as a test. That is technically a 9% solution / dilution and should work. If you want pharmaceutical grade, go grab the NaCI blend from a pharmacy though .

Do they make their own flavors? Tactical: are you a rep for the company or just kinda adopted them?


-Lord

They are manufacturer direct, meaning there's no middleman inbetween. The buy in large bulk quantities (think 50 gallon drum size) and sell in smaller sizes. Last I recall they work with quite a few. I'm not a rep though, I found them on Google, requested a free sample (when they were available) and have kept in touch with Mike (who is a rep for them) along the way. He's not on ECF, so when a question pops up, I get in touch with him on everyone's behalf .

 

[BadNewsBert]

Correction, I think it's supposed to be a .9% saline solution, not 9%. Just mixed up a 250ml batch with pure sea salt and added it to two different flavored 15 ml batches, both at 9%. Will post back with the results in a couple days.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

I think the original post was .9% saline solution which equated to 9% of his total mix (looking at the link he posted). If that's correct, my mix is incorrect and I apologize for the misinformation . That said, the 9% mix doesn't seem to be hurting the mixture at all.

 

[JJ1977]

Red Bull
Monster
Cotton Candy
Dutch Apple Pie
Cake (Yellow)
Cheesecake
Peach

redbull - no doubt about it taste is there i like it, mixed at 15%
monster - same taste is there i mixed at 13%
cotton candy well i think ill use it as a sweetner jmho
dutch apple pie - all i can say is dam that is spot on down to the crust taste, there is a cinnamon taste there as well mixed at 10%
cake - havent tried it yet but when i do ill leave feedback, started mix at 13%
cheesecake - well the taste is there but my search for a perfect cheesecake eludes me still, i mixed at 15%
peach - smell and taste is there, i mixed at 14%

 

[BadNewsBert]

I think I may have to try some of that dutch apple pie.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

I think I may have to try some of that dutch apple pie.

It's on my list as well. I need a good apple pie to pair with my own caramel vanilla.

 

[we2rcool]

Correction, I think it's supposed to be a .9% saline solution, not 9%. Just mixed up a 250ml batch with pure sea salt and added it to two different flavored 15 ml batches, both at 9%. Will post back with the results in a couple days.

Yes, it's supposed to be .9% percent saline solution, NOT 9%!

I have always used the pre-prepared pharmaceutical grade .9% sterile saline solution. I would never make a "salt solution" with table/sea salt because various minerals, impurities/additives in typical salt being harmful to coils & tanks (sea salts would contain more "other" than table salt)...and because those minerals/impurities/additives take up part of the 'percentage'. By using them, you would not end up with a true .9% saline solution - you'd end up with ".9% of some things" with the majority being salt.

If I were going to mix my own with something other than pharmaceutically pure Nacl (salt), I'd be sure to double/triple filter it (using cotton balls stuff into a syringe), before I added it to a juice or a tank. Who knows how the various minerals/additives/impurities will mix with the flavor chemicals - or what they'll do to a coil/tank?

To do that, remove the plunger of a 20 or 30 ml syringe and stuff 2 cotton balls into it, then fill the part above the cotton balls with your solution, then put the plunger back on and push the solution through the cotton balls.

However, when filtering, you will lose part of the undissolved solution as well as the impurities - so you're likely to lose a percentage of the salt as well as the majority of the other. Of course, you can't filter out the "other" that dissolves into the solution. Even if there was a way to know 'how much impurity' per random measurement of table/sea salt (compared to the next measurement), there's no way to know what has dissolved and what will be filtered out. That leaves one with an unknown solution AND one that cannot be duplicated .

'Just to be clear - I have absolutely no problem at all with any/everybody doing & mixing & inhaling whatever they want to do, mix or inhale....to each his own, que sera sera, etc However I want to make sure everyone knows that I did not recommend (nor do I recommend) mixing a salt solution for vaping with table or sea salt. Of course a .9% standard saline solution would be easy enough to create...but one would need to start with USP Nacl & distilled water to achieve the purity & consistency most want when DIYing.

 

[JJ1977]

1o1 review's are up for anyone who's tried there flavors give your review on the flavor you've gotten, so others will have a better shopping experience, so they know whats good and not good jmho

 

[BadNewsBert]

Cool, I took your advice and picked up some sterile saline wound cleaner at wally world for four bucks. I assume it's the same stuff you'd happen to get at a pharmacy. Ingredients were USP grade water and USP sodium chloride. Ditched the sea salt mix completely.

I am looking to get away from PG completely as I've had minor throat irritation since I've started mixing DIY. Makes me think that the store bought I was vaping was a purely VG base. Currently using a 50/50 NIC mix, I have some 100% VG NIC juice on the way. I plan on giving your base mix recipe with the DW, PGA, and sterile saline a go. Thanks again for that recipe!!

 

[we2rcool]

Cool, I took your advice and picked up some sterile saline wound cleaner at wally world for four bucks. I assume it's the same stuff you'd happen to get at a pharmacy. Ingredients were USP grade water and USP sodium chloride. Ditched the sea salt mix completely.

I am looking to get away from PG completely as I've had minor throat irritation since I've started mixing DIY. Makes me think that the store bought I was vaping was a purely VG base. Currently using a 50/50 NIC mix, I have some 100% VG NIC juice on the way. I plan on giving your base mix recipe with the DW, PGA, and sterile saline a go. Thanks again for that recipe!!

Cool deal!

We're getting our Nude Nic (100mg VG) small bottle tomorrow (Vape Mail - YAY!), along with 3 of their VG only flavors. So we'll be mixing up a batch of our base with the Nude Nic, testing it, and then mixing the new flavors. If it's a 'clean vaping base' (and we have enough), we'll also mix up a few of our standards.

If you dont want throat irritation (throat hit), you're gonna LOVE "VG only w/ dw & saline". It's soSoSO SMOOTH!

 

[JJ1977]

i was impressed by the 7 flavors i ordered, i ordered 3 more flavors
240ml sundae toppings / 240ml pina colada and 30ml fruit loops, i should have them monday. ill update after vaping them. also i bought a 473ML of dutch apple pie lol, i couldnt resist. that 10ML bottle wasnt going to last long, relatives like it, i do to.