Anyone Heard of / Used One-On-One Flavors?

[Jonathan Tittle]

Agreed about being iffy on the triacetin. Also had no clue it was in the gummi bears, It's been my ADV since I received it.

As with PG & VG, Triacetin is GRAS by the FDA (Generally Recognized As Safe), so it doesn't pose a immediate threat when used topically or when inhaled. It's used to smooth and balance flavoring and has been used for quite a while in the cosmetics industry and quite a few use it in their flavorings; not just OoO (as noted above with TPA/TFA).

There's no major concern with it being in a flavor or juice, it's simply a tank cracker like many flavors on the market (cinnamon, citrus etc). The only reports that I found were where it's used in 50%+ concentrations, which wouldn't be the case with flavoring as PG/VG is still used in combination with Triacetin (I was wrong in a post above where I said it was used in place of PG - apologies for that!).

Overall, no worries or more concern with it than there is with PG/VG.

 

[mourningshadow]

I'm not too worried about Triacetin, I have used quite a few flavors with it but never had it separate like this. It has settled quite a bit after a few days though, not much separation this morning and I finally decided to go ahead and give it a try........and it is fantastic. Got a couple ideas for using this sweet tarts in a few mixes.

Skittles is next to try

 

[BadNewsBert]

I'm not too worried about Triacetin, I have used quite a few flavors with it but never had it separate like this. It has settled quite a bit after a few days though, not much separation this morning and I finally decided to go ahead and give it a try........and it is fantastic. Got a couple ideas for using this sweet tarts in a few mixes.

Skittles is next to try

What % did you mix the sweet tarts at?

Tried the skittles after a few runs in the UC, has a strong lemon kick to it, not bad. Going to let it set for a day or two, maybe add a little EM to try and smooth it out. Let us know how your skittles mix turns out.

 

[mourningshadow]

I mixed sweet tarts at 12%. Flavor is very good but maybe a bit light, I will go up to 15% next time unless more steeping strengthens it a bit.

 

[salemgold]

As with PG & VG, Triacetin is GRAS by the FDA (Generally Recognized As Safe), so it doesn't pose a immediate threat when used topically or when inhaled. It's used to smooth and balance flavoring and has been used for quite a while in the cosmetics industry and quite a few use it in their flavorings; not just OoO (as noted above with TPA/TFA).

There's no major concern with it being in a flavor or juice, it's simply a tank cracker like many flavors on the market (cinnamon, citrus etc). The only reports that I found were where it's used in 50%+ concentrations, which wouldn't be the case with flavoring as PG/VG is still used in combination with Triacetin (I was wrong in a post above where I said it was used in place of PG - apologies for that!).

Overall, no worries or more concern with it than there is with PG/VG.

GRAS is generally regarded as safe to eat. We do not know much at all about the inhalation of flavorings and other compounds used in flavoring when it comes to inhalation. We do know about nicotine, PG and VG when it comes to inhalation. Flavoring is the unknown.

If I am mistaken, I would love to see a link to the data on food flavoring that is safe to inhale.

http://www.femaflavor.org/safety-assessment-and-regulatory-authority-use-flavors-focus-e-cigarettes

Quoted from above

There is no apparent direct regulatory authority in the United States to use flavors in e-cigarettes. The “generally recognized as safe” (GRAS) provision in Section 201(s) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA) applies only to food as defined in Section 201(f) of the Act.

 

[Aheadatime]

I agree and all vendors should do the same. Personally, I'm okay with it being in there as I use Pyrex/Glass - I don't really fool around with plastic tanks due what triacetin can do to plastic as well as what other flavorings can do. I see enough plastic in the bottles that vendors use, I don't really care to use it for a tank .

Right now I pretty much stick with the protank line-up, but hopefully I'll be moving to a more robust and reliable atomizer soon enough. I like the protank, I'd just prefer a better system.

You think you could ask him to include descriptions on the website since you're in touch with him so frequently? Which flavors are tri based would help me tremendously, since I'm a plastic tank guy when I'm not dripping.

 

[mourningshadow]

GRAS is generally regarded as safe to eat. We do not know much at all about the inhalation of flavorings and other compounds used in flavoring when it comes to inhalation. We do know about nicotine, PG and VG when it comes to inhalation. Flavoring is the unknown.

If I am mistaken, I would love to see a link to the data on food flavoring that is safe to inhale.

I know there is a study being done on the safety of flavoring inhalation but have not heard of any progress on it. I personally am not too concerned, especially when thinking about all of the chemicals I inhaled smoking for over 20 years.

 

[salemgold]

I know there is a study being done on the safety of flavoring inhalation but have not heard of any progress on it. I personally am not too concerned, especially when thinking about all of the chemicals I inhaled smoking for over 20 years.

I am not overly concerned either. I was just trying to correct what I felt was misinformation so that folks would not take it as truth and think that something was deemed safe by the FDA to inhale when the facts are, nobody knows yet.. I vape flavors and have no problem at all with it. Once I get my stash down, I plan to order from 101 and I am sure that they are just as "safe" as most other flavors out there.

Flavour Art is in the process of conducting a study on inhalation of flavoring.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

You think you could ask him to include descriptions on the website since you're in touch with him so frequently? Which flavors are tri based would help me tremendously, since I'm a plastic tank guy when I'm not dripping.

Will do. I should hear back from him tomorrow and I'll follow up and see if they can get that information on their site so things are a little cleared upfront.

I am not overly concerned either. I was just trying to correct what I felt was misinformation so that folks would not take it as truth and think that something was deemed safe by the FDA to inhale when the facts are, nobody knows yet.. I vape flavors and have no problem at all with it. Once I get my stash down, I plan to order from 101 and I am sure that they are just as "safe" as most other flavors out there.

Flavour Art is in the process of conducting a study on inhalation of flavoring.

Anything you inhale can pose a risk, such is the case with PG & VG to some while not to others. To some it agitates and irritates, much like Triacetin can and may. The report I was looking at noted that it was deemed as GRAS by the FDA and for use in cosmetics and many other companies, such as TPA/TFA note that reports have shown that there are no outstanding issues with inhalation of the chemical.

Does it mean it's 100% safe? No, but it's most likely as safe as PG & VG and it's not used as a stand-alone product, rather, it's blended in with either PG, VG or both (mostly PG from what I can tell), so the end-result is diluted down. By how much I don't know; only the companies that use it can tell you that much and that's most likely a trade secret between the company and their employees entrusted to mix and blend what they offer.

I'm not sure if TPA/TFA ran their own independent test or not as a published study wasn't showing up on their site, but I'm sure someone could inquire as to how they came up with their results. Surely they'd be willing to share it to better the community and put aside thoughts of potential risk.

 

[salemgold]

Hey, I have no problem inhaling my flavored ejuice as I stated. I did not want people to be misled into thinking that the FDA had deemed something safe for inhalation when that is not the case is all.

 

[Aheadatime]

Will do. I should hear back from him tomorrow and I'll follow up and see if they can get that information on their site so things are a little cleared upfront.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

 

[BadNewsBert]

To all those wondering, the Skittles 1O1 flavor is pretty spot on with a little EM and a drop of lemon juice. The lemon flavor really comes through and kind of overpowers the rest, but still a good flavor.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

To all those wondering, the Skittles 1O1 flavor is pretty spot on with a little EM and a drop of lemon juice. The lemon flavor really comes through and kind of overpowers the rest, but still a good flavor.

Awesome - Question: I've seen others mention the use of lemon juice in their juices, what's the significance? I've not yet added any to my juices, so I'm curious as to what types you add it to, why and how it makes things better.

 

[BadNewsBert]

Actually I just started tinkering with the lemon juice yesterday. I came across a thread on here mentioning the addition of LJ as a sweetener, smoother to fruit/candy flavors. I haven't used it enough to give any comparison to EM or sucralose. It does give a little kick to it.

On a related note, I came across another thread mentioning the addition of .9% saline solution, some even adding it to ALL of their mixes. Haven't tried this yet either but I think I am going to. Ever heard of this?

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

I seen mentions of both, but no real before and after comparison / the differences between not using it and using it. I don't know if I'd add salt to a juice, but maybe there's something someone knows that I don't (I honestly only know what I find out by trial and error - best way to learn, IMO).

I'd be interested to hear your take on Skittles before and after and if you do try saline, to know what you added it to and how well it works for you. I'm not sure what I'd even think of adding saline to .

Actually I just started tinkering with the lemon juice yesterday. I came across a thread on here mentioning the addition of LJ as a sweetener, smoother to fruit/candy flavors. I haven't used it enough to give any comparison to EM or sucralose. It does give a little kick to it.

On a related note, I came across another thread mentioning the addition of .9% saline solution, some even adding it to ALL of their mixes. Haven't tried this yet either but I think I am going to. Ever heard of this?

 

[BadNewsBert]

Me either. I just remember reading something along the lines of it helping with the problem of flavor fade over a period of time. I haven't encountered this problem yet, I mostly mix small batches as of now and they usually don't sit around too long.

If and when I try the saline, I will definitely post back the results.

The fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA flavor also turned out pretty good, not sure if it's just me or not, but it tastes very similar to the skittles flavor. Pretty happy with both. Next is the Red Bull.

Overall I am very satisfied with 1O1 flavors so far, more so than the TFA flavors I started out with a few weeks ago. I still need to try some Capella's, read good things about the brand.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

Definitely keep me updated. I may throw a drop or two of lemon juice in my next batch of juice just to see how well it works. I'm working on a DIY vanilla extract right now, not sure how it's going to turn out. Going the non-alcohol route so it's going to take some time, but I could see a drop going in there to test once I have a small sample ready.

Not sure how well it'd go in something non-fruity though (like caramel, chocolate etc), but if it helps, I'm not against it.


Speaking of lemon, if you need a spot-on lemon that smells like a fresh lemon, the lemon from OneOnOne is it. Just tinkered with it and it's pretty good.

 

[buffaloguy]

Salem was absolutely right to point out GRAS does not apply to inhalation.

I will also point out that as far as cosmetic use goes that is topical. Inhalation in this instance would be limited to fumes released upon application of the cosmetic only. This has zero representative basis to be factual whwn it comes to direct inhalatio. in much higher concentration than you would recieve from a topical application.

Tactical, while I have no interest in debate on this you DO need to stop minimizing a potential health risk... not that it may even be one... no one knows for sure. All I wish to advocate is common sense. If it can turn plastic to mush theres a good chance moderation should be warranted. Wanting or making something appear safe or no big deal could be a huge mistake in the long run. Then again it might turn out to be nothing of concern. Until we know caution is always warranted.

My personal belief, triacetin should not be used for vaping flavors until more is known. Heck, we'd all still be vaping diacetyl unless vapers pushed and dug for knowledge and improvements. I have some triacetin based flavors, as I said, but I might vape 1.5 ml of something like gummi bears once every month.

Will do. I should hear back from him tomorrow and I'll follow up and see if they can get that information on their site so things are a little cleared upfront.



Anything you inhale can pose a risk, such is the case with PG & VG to some while not to others. To some it agitates and irritates, much like Triacetin can and may. The report I was looking at noted that it was deemed as GRAS by the FDA and for use in cosmetics and many other companies, such as TPA/TFA note that reports have shown that there are no outstanding issues with inhalation of the chemical.

Does it mean it's 100% safe? No, but it's most likely as safe as PG & VG and it's not used as a stand-alone product, rather, it's blended in with either PG, VG or both (mostly PG from what I can tell), so the end-result is diluted down. By how much I don't know; only the companies that use it can tell you that much and that's most likely a trade secret between the company and their employees entrusted to mix and blend what they offer.

I'm not sure if TPA/TFA ran their own independent test or not as a published study wasn't showing up on their site, but I'm sure someone could inquire as to how they came up with their results. Surely they'd be willing to share it to better the community and put aside thoughts of potential risk.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

Tactical, while I have no interest in debate on this you DO need to stop minimizing a potential health risk... not that it may even be one... no one knows for sure. All I wish to advocate is common sense. If it can turn plastic to mush theres a good chance moderation should be warranted. Wanting or making something appear safe or no big deal could be a huge mistake in the long run. Then again it might turn out to be nothing of concern. Until we know caution is always warranted.

The information provided is based on what other vendors / manufacturers are claiming. I'm not personally stating that I've done testing or that I know for sure that Triacetin is 100% safe to vape. Many vendors, distributors and manufacturers use it in their juices. Diacetyl was well known to cause issues from inhalation before vaping was mainstream, dating back to when it was used in popcorn flavoring (2007 and earlier - referred to as Popcorn Lung), so that really should have been something more well-known upfront before it even made it into juice .

Not trying to debate back and forth on who's right and wrong. I agree more testing needs to be done, just pointing out that's it's not just me saying it's okay - TPA/TFA's website states there's been no evidence of it being harmful thus far. As for Diacetyl, it's one main reason I never really ate popcorn unless I made it.

 

[we2rcool]

I seen mentions of both, but no real before and after comparison / the differences between not using it and using it. I don't know if I'd add salt to a juice, but maybe there's something someone knows that I don't (I honestly only know what I find out by trial and error - best way to learn, IMO).

I'd be interested to hear your take on Skittles before and after and if you do try saline, to know what you added it to and how well it works for you. I'm not sure what I'd even think of adding saline to .

You can learn more about using saline in this thread (starting around Post #49) http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/268760-diy-master-techniques-flavor-add-ons-em-vw-bw-mts-acv-ect-2.html#post5559578

We use a 'base' of 80% VG; 9% distilled water; 2% PGA; and 9% Sterile Saline (.9%) - for all of our juices (and for 'flavorless' vaping).

--You cannot taste the salt
--It helps to hydrate the mouth (substantially)
--Saline solution/vapor is used for all manner of "lung treatments" (with or without added pharmaceuticals)
--It makes the flavors *POP* (in a major way) - particularly chocolates, bakery, and most fruits
--It is tank/coil friendly (use only .9% sterlile saline solution without 'salt impurities')

There is absolutely no doubt in our mind that it is used by many e-juice vendors - and that it is the missing element in many DIY juices.

We get it from our local mom & pop pharmacy (around $6 per liter), but it's available on Amazon (just search for .9% saline) and you'll find dozens of options/sizes. It's commonly used for irrigating wounds - and no matter what is written, it does NOT require a prescription :::sigh:::

Some folks say it doesn't have to be used at 9/10% to cause flavors to *pop* (which may be true) - but we're diluting the VG anyway to make it thinner...so why not have a wetter mouth and the lung benefit (when we can't taste the salt anyway, and every flavor we've ever tested it with has been enhanced)?