Anyone REALLy think that ecigs aren't going to be banned??

[Dantrn]

I just gave up analogs and started vaping this year. Until I got into it I really had no idea the government was so against the idea, probably because they didn't come up with the idea and tax the hell out of it. Anyway, looking at it now I really dont see how ecigarettes and the juice aren't going to be banned. I have no problem vaping whatever juice, its my body and my choice, but, really what is in this stuff? As an inhaled drug, nicotine is a drug, the FDA almost has to regulate this stuff even if I'd rather them mind their own business. Also look at the money states are losing from tobacco taxes when we all get to vaping instead. More incentive for them to stop it? I just don't see any way that this stuff isn't going to be banned. Obama's a smoker though, maybe we should get him vaping??

 

[SheerLuckHolmes]

My personal opinion is that E-cigs are here to stay. Not that there will not be a lot of fighting over it. But the devices themselves are just too simple and the juice you can make yourself. Vaping is here to stay in one form or another.

 

[Oliver]

They're here to stay. So long as everyone commits to the fight.

 

[jeanblackwood]

I really hope so.

 

[Nova One]

There's no way they will be banned and if they could be, the FDA would have done so a year ago when the product had 1% the penetration it has today. The FDA's only hope in this fight is to provide as much negative publicity as possible so the individual States ban them one by one. On their own ....the FDA won't do it or they would have already.

 

[zoiDman]

I don't think they are going to be banned. I think they are going to come under gov regulations. That way the cigarette industry can get in on it and the gov can tax it.

I'm sure they will pass laws for things like; No sales to under 18 year olds. No vaping in public buildings. No vaping in schools. Etc, Etc.

You don't think Big Business or the government is going to let a bunch of people spend their hard earned money on something their not getting a slice of do you?

 

[Tampa2]

Friend of mine told me that yahoo ads dropped him with no explaination. Then called him yesterday and apologized, then refunded him some money. The guy told my friend that they were getting a great deal of pressure. When my friend asked by who, the guy woild not say. So these are the tactics the Feds are using. Same with Paypal. Common sense tells you that when you have a tobacco product that is killing over 440,000 Americans each year, vs a product that the Feds claim "might" be harmful, we are going to stay with the e-cigarette no matter what they do. As with the New York ban, they are simply running a smear propaganda campaign to justify passing the bans. But like Smokey Joe says above, e-cigarettes are here to stay. Just keep converting the analog smokers to build up the troops.

 

[Captu4ik]

Friend of mine told me that yahoo ads dropped him with no explaination. .

They got me, too. Two months ago, they solicited my business. Two weeks ago, they dropped me because my product was now deemed 'unacceptable'.

The person I talked to was very understanding and considerate, to the point that they immediately refunded my account balance, waiving the normal $30 refund fee.

But they wouldn't tell me who applied the pressure ...

It's funny, the other vendors who advertised with Yahoo ! Search have all joined me at Google Adwords. I wonder how long it will take for Google to bow to the pressure ...

 

[mistinthewoods]

If I'm going to believe that they were going to be banned, I might as well just go back to smoking. They're NOT going to be successful in this money-driven campaign of lies! We will see to that.
The only way that tobacco/pharma is gonna win this thing is if we all sit back thinking that there's nothing we can do, woe is us, and end up actually doing nothing.
It's not right that we have to fight for this right, BUT WE DO!

 

[Vocalek]

My guess would be that some ASH-whole contacted them with the same threats he used on Paypal.

So who do we pressure at Yahoo ads? Seems to me that if you are advertising/selling a product that is not specifically prohibited under the written law, Yahoo is interfering with the constitutional right to free speech.

 

[Captu4ik]

Seems to me that if you are advertising/selling a product that is not specifically prohibited under the written law, Yahoo is interfering with the constitutional right to free speech.

I tried running that one up the flagpole. It seems Yahoo ! Search has always had a ban on advertising Tobacco products, they just decided recently to place e-cigs in that category ...

 

[zoiDman]

... Seems to me that if you are advertising/selling a product that is not specifically prohibited under the written law, Yahoo is interfering with the constitutional right to free speech.

The last I heard Yahoo was a private company. That means they have the "Right" to choose which advertisers they have on their site.

I think that e-Cigs has become a hot potato. If it turns out that they indeed do hurt people, think of the wave after wave of lawsuits there will be from the bottom feeding lawyers.

 

[katsmeeoww]

I don't see e-cigs being banned in my state (Mississippi). If it continues to go on a state-by-state basis, you can all move here. 8-o As for the FDA...this seems to be WAY out of their reasonable control now. We just have to keep the pressure on and keep the petitions going. It would be nice to get more positive press. Hard to believe advertisers NOT taking good money to advertise our products. What a crazy world.

 

[thinblueline36]

I don't see how e-cigs could ever be banned. Even if they stopped shipping from China, a lot of vapers would just make PVs. Currently the only thing I can't make myself is the atty, and if I had to, I'd figure out how to make that, too. Even vapers who aren't particularly handy might pick up a few electrician skills. Necessity is the mother of invention, and PVs are really easy to make. So they really can't touch our PVs. What they can do is block the nicquid. That's what this is all about, the nicotine.

Juice in multiple flavours can be made just from stuff found at the local grocery store. PVs can be made from stuff lying around your house or ordered online from Radio Shack (if you don't have an electronics supply store convenient to you). Finally, nicotine patches can deliver the nic while PVs deliver the "smoke" and throat hit can come from peppermint/menthol or cinnamon. There is absolutely no reason to ever go back to analogs.

TBL36

 

[lorikay13]

Well you can argue the technicalities of rather it is a true "ban" or not....but they have done a darn good job of making sure there are no e-cig sales in Oregon.

I'm thinking....or maybe just wondering...if what we will see is a ban on nicotine....but not the PV device itself. I mean there is much weirder stuff out there that people do to their bodies and no one raises an eyebrow. I recently saw some bizarre device....of course..."as seen on Oprah and backed by Dr Oz"....that is some sort of steamer/inhaler that heats up and your supposed to put salt in it. The point of it is to inhale the salt vapor and this is supposed to be good for your lungs. Whatever....ear candles???? I know people that swear by them.

I guess my confusion lies in not understanding exactly what the problem here is???? Do any of these anti-e-cig people have an actual problem with the PV device itself? Or is it just the nicotine ?

 

[Janetda]

The way it looks to me, is that there's a two fold problem with e-cigs for the antis. One, it continues the habit of the "smoking" action; two, it provides non-pharmaceutical nicotine. That's not to say that the nicotine we use isn't pharmaceutical grade, it's just that it doesn't come from a big pharma company. They feel that nicotine is a drug and should only come from drug companies.

 

[jcamacho]

No ban in Texas!

 

[CaptJay]

The way it looks to me, is that there's a two fold problem with e-cigs for the antis. One, it continues the habit of the "smoking" action; two, it provides non-pharmaceutical nicotine. That's not to say that the nicotine we use isn't pharmaceutical grade, it's just that it doesn't come from a big pharma company. They feel that nicotine is a drug and should only come from drug companies.

By this logic cigarettes should only be sold by pharmacuetical companies too then - as they contain rather more than 'a bit' of nicotine. They really can't have it both ways; even the normally apathetic general public is going to smell a rat with that tack. It also might open the floodgates for things that 'certain groups' don't want looked at too closely.
I dont know if they will be banned or not - I really can't tell which way the wind is blowing however, this is not a MJ-tokin', hemp sportin', bunch of lefty weirdos group, so the powers that be have to tread carefully. Criminalising a group of solid upstanding law abiding Americans for the sake of taxes is going to be a political hot potato - maybe even political suicide in some States.

 

[5cardstud]

They will never ban my ecigs as I made them but SmokeyJoe is right. We have to keep fighting the good fight because soon it will be your state we're talking about. There are alot of ECFers that don't know how to make their own devices or juice and they need our help with these bans. I thought that is what all us at ECF are about, helping each other. Well HELP.

 

[Katya]

Prohibition wasn't all that successful in this country, was it?

This too shall pass. I don't see how they can ban e-cigs without banning cigarettes and cigars and pipe tobacco. Are they FDA approved?

I understand that cigars have been exempted from PACT. Why???

None of this makes any sense whatsoever.