AP: FDA Sending Warning Letters
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If I didn't trip over my words and didn't have a hot tempter on me I'd be all up for debating, and arguing with a politician. Maybe I'll get my level headed husband to do it for me lol. I can't stand this anymore. It's not like I don't have enough stress on my plate, I don't need the FDA to ruin my life anymore. I'm calling out everyone in the KC metro area, since the missouri social group is pretty dead weight at this point. I want to get a meeting going, get things moving and we need to get a hold of casaa and figure out what they are doing. Cause I'm tired of being pushed around and my life meaning nothing.
Interesting that both the Njoy vs. FDA and New York's hearing on New York State's Clean Indoor Air Act go down on September 23rd, insofar as that's Autumnal Equinox. And so will begin the Autumn of our Discontent?
This is a copy of the letter I have written and will be sending to the FDA:
To Whom It May Concern,
I am asking that you stop trying to ban electronic cigarettes. They are not drug delivery devices, they are a smoking alternative. By your attempts to ban electronic cigarettes, you are in effect telling all of us who are using them, to return to smoking tobacco cigarettes. Or if we wish to stop smoking, to use one of your approved pharmaceutical supplied cessation products, among which is the deadly Chantix. This tells me just one thing, you are in bed with the tobacco companies and also with the pharmaceutical companies.
When smokers stop using cigarettes and turn to one of the pharmaceutical products, the tobacco companies lose out on their profits but the pharmaceutical companies make money. Only one problem though, most smokers return to cigarettes because the smoking cessation products simply don't work very well for the majority of people using them. It's a vicious cycle that I myself have endured dozens of times over the 28 years that I have been a smoker. And then of course there is Chantix, a drug with a known history of severe and even deadly side effects, that is still being marketed as a smoking cessation product. It makes one wonder if the FDA does not want smoker's to actually live longer or healthier lives after all.
I personally am now using an electronic cigarette and have not smoked a tobacco cigarette in 8 weeks, but I am using it as an alternative to tobacco cigarettes, not as a smoking cessation product. My own doctor is approving my use of this alternative to cigarettes as it allows me to still get the nicotine that I need without all the carcinogenic additives found in tobacco cigarette smoke. And yes, I need nicotine, as it helps with my cognitive retention and mild depression. I am addicted to nicotine but also to the physical act of smoking which is the one thing that electronic cigarettes give me over just the use of nicotine patches or gums.
I am a nurse of 17 years, 5 of those years were spent as a Hospice Nurse, so yes, I know full well what smoking related diseases do to ones health. I have personally taken care of those that were dying of COPD as they struggled and gasped for air during their last hours of life. I was there as my own mother fought her losing battle with cancer, watching her waste away to nothing before her death. And I refuse to allow you to consign me to that same, agonizing death by banning the one and only thing that has given me an alternative to smoking tobacco cigarettes.
I am fully aware, as are other electronic cigarette users, that electronic cigarettes are not 100% without risk, but the small risk that they present is, in my opinion, much better than that of the confirmed and known risks of smoking tobacco cigarettes with their hundreds of added chemicals. By all means regulate electronic cigarettes and the liquid for quality, accuracy and consistency of ingredients, but do so under the Tobacco Control Act, just as Judge Leon advised you to do. You claim that your ultimate goal is to reduce the burden of illness and death caused by tobacco use, and yet you are attempting to ban one of the few things that actually is doing so.
It is my personal opinion, that as an intelligent adult of almost 50 years of age, I should have the right to be able to decide for myself if the benefits of using an electronic cigarette out weighs the small amount of risks that *might potentially* be there. Electronic cigarettes have been on the world market now for nearly 7 years and I have not yet heard of any life threatening side effects or deaths associated with their use, the same cannot be said of Chantix. It should be left up to smoking adults, over the age of 18, to decide for themselves if they wish to use electronic cigarettes, knowing that there *might potentially* be some risk in their use.
Thank you for your time,
Dorothy Taylor
To Whom It May Concern,
I am asking that you stop trying to ban electronic cigarettes. They are not drug delivery devices, they are a smoking alternative. By your attempts to ban electronic cigarettes, you are in effect telling all of us who are using them, to return to smoking tobacco cigarettes. Or if we wish to stop smoking, to use one of your approved pharmaceutical supplied cessation products, among which is the deadly Chantix. This tells me just one thing, you are in bed with the tobacco companies and also with the pharmaceutical companies.
When smokers stop using cigarettes and turn to one of the pharmaceutical products, the tobacco companies lose out on their profits but the pharmaceutical companies make money. Only one problem though, most smokers return to cigarettes because the smoking cessation products simply don't work very well for the majority of people using them. It's a vicious cycle that I myself have endured dozens of times over the 28 years that I have been a smoker. And then of course there is Chantix, a drug with a known history of severe and even deadly side effects, that is still being marketed as a smoking cessation product. It makes one wonder if the FDA does not want smoker's to actually live longer or healthier lives after all.
I personally am now using an electronic cigarette and have not smoked a tobacco cigarette in 8 weeks, but I am using it as an alternative to tobacco cigarettes, not as a smoking cessation product. My own doctor is approving my use of this alternative to cigarettes as it allows me to still get the nicotine that I need without all the carcinogenic additives found in tobacco cigarette smoke. And yes, I need nicotine, as it helps with my cognitive retention and mild depression. I am addicted to nicotine but also to the physical act of smoking which is the one thing that electronic cigarettes give me over just the use of nicotine patches or gums.
I am a nurse of 17 years, 5 of those years were spent as a Hospice Nurse, so yes, I know full well what smoking related diseases do to ones health. I have personally taken care of those that were dying of COPD as they struggled and gasped for air during their last hours of life. I was there as my own mother fought her losing battle with cancer, watching her waste away to nothing before her death. And I refuse to allow you to consign me to that same, agonizing death by banning the one and only thing that has given me an alternative to smoking tobacco cigarettes.
I am fully aware, as are other electronic cigarette users, that electronic cigarettes are not 100% without risk, but the small risk that they present is, in my opinion, much better than that of the confirmed and known risks of smoking tobacco cigarettes with their hundreds of added chemicals. By all means regulate electronic cigarettes and the liquid for quality, accuracy and consistency of ingredients, but do so under the Tobacco Control Act, just as Judge Leon advised you to do. You claim that your ultimate goal is to reduce the burden of illness and death caused by tobacco use, and yet you are attempting to ban one of the few things that actually is doing so.
It is my personal opinion, that as an intelligent adult of almost 50 years of age, I should have the right to be able to decide for myself if the benefits of using an electronic cigarette out weighs the small amount of risks that *might potentially* be there. Electronic cigarettes have been on the world market now for nearly 7 years and I have not yet heard of any life threatening side effects or deaths associated with their use, the same cannot be said of Chantix. It should be left up to smoking adults, over the age of 18, to decide for themselves if they wish to use electronic cigarettes, knowing that there *might potentially* be some risk in their use.
Thank you for your time,
Dorothy Taylor
Very well put Dorothy.
I just started vaping 2 weeks ago. I smoked 1 pk/day for 23 years and this is the only thing that has helped me at all. I've tried the patch and the gum as well as Wellbutrin. Never tried Chantix, my insurance company refused to pay for it. I guess they would rather pay for a smoking related illness
Wellbutrin did nothing for me except make me nervous, agitated and suicidal.
These e cigs may not be without risks, but as consenting adults we know that. Shucks breathing the smog in the air isn't doing our lungs very much good either.
This is about the all mighty $ and we all know it!
I just started vaping 2 weeks ago. I smoked 1 pk/day for 23 years and this is the only thing that has helped me at all. I've tried the patch and the gum as well as Wellbutrin. Never tried Chantix, my insurance company refused to pay for it. I guess they would rather pay for a smoking related illness
Wellbutrin did nothing for me except make me nervous, agitated and suicidal.
These e cigs may not be without risks, but as consenting adults we know that. Shucks breathing the smog in the air isn't doing our lungs very much good either.
This is about the all mighty $ and we all know it!
The answer to any or all of life's little mysteries can--as a general thing--be found by remembering three little words from the movie All the President's Men:
Follow the money...
Are there any producers capable of the guidelines outlined in the FDA infractions letter to JC?
well according to Kristin on the board here, nicotine is easy to quit.....
So everyone just order some flavors and PG or VG and vape flavors and let the FDA have control of the nicotine.... no one here is a "smoker" anymore, so there should be no worry of "running back to analogs"
bottom line...with 20-30 thousand people a month switching to e-cigs, they've taken notice to the lost revenues of tobacco, patches, gums and prescriptions....they aren't stopping until they get control of that money back
So everyone just order some flavors and PG or VG and vape flavors and let the FDA have control of the nicotine.... no one here is a "smoker" anymore, so there should be no worry of "running back to analogs"
bottom line...with 20-30 thousand people a month switching to e-cigs, they've taken notice to the lost revenues of tobacco, patches, gums and prescriptions....they aren't stopping until they get control of that money back
I'm not a researcher so I don't know how to find this but wouldn't it be interesting to see how much tax money is collected in tobacco tax by the year and/or month. I'd like to know if its going up or down and if e cigs have really had an impact on tobacco sales and tax.
Here is some FDA Contact information I thought I might share it
Mailing Address: Center for Tobacco Products, 9200 Corporate Blvd, Rockville, MD 20850
Main Phone Number: 1-877-CTP-1373
Mailing Address: Center for Tobacco Products, 9200 Corporate Blvd, Rockville, MD 20850
Main Phone Number: 1-877-CTP-1373
- For General Consumer Inquiries: AskCTP@fda.hhs.gov
- For Media: 1-877.CTP.1373, option 2. Your call will be routed immediately
- For Tobacco Industry Questions: TobaccoIndustryQuestions@fda.hhs.gov
- For Small Business Industry Questions: smallbiz.tobacco@fda.hhs.gov
- For Regulatory Submissions: Use the CTP mailing address but please put Attn: Document Control Center
- For Formal Correspondence and Speech and Meeting Requests: ctpexecsec@fda.hhs.gov. Also submit a proposed agenda and attendee list.
- To contact the Ombudsman about complaints and disputes, please email Les.Weinstein@fda.hhs.gov or call 301-796-9239.
That would be a very nice number to come across but the real numbers are never given to the public. I'm sure though you can find revenue reports floating around from last year but unless you can find quarterly ones for companies such as marlboro it's going to be hard to "really compare"
Oh, it's on their list, alright--of whose imports to seize at port of entry.
Well lets put the shoe on the other foot. If they can use these as claims, why can't they be used as evidence that e-cigs are safe and they work. Many people also talk about how much better they feel and some even have Dr. reports on this forum. I mean, if the FDA is using these comments that people are making in their favor, why can't we use them???
You may not realize this, but CASAA is an all volunteer organization, not backed by any large corporation. We are kept alive by donations from folks like you. We collected a grand total of $70.94 during the months of July and August. That won't buy an inch of advertising space in any media other than the Newington Forest Community Association Newsletter (circulation ~200).
Yes, we discussed the dismal state of our finances at the last board meeting. We collected $685 in donations to the IVAQS research project during that same time-frame. So it would appear that we need to make a bigger pitch to get some donations for CASAA proper. We have announced that henceforth, we will set aside 20% of all donations to CASAA to go toward research. It's a start.
See my signature line for a link to make a donation.
If you have the connections to book me on Oprah, Rush Limbaugh, radio, whatever, I'm ready to go. All the other board members have full-time jobs that they do in addition to volunteering for CASAA. Many are also raising small children. None of us know how to get ourselves booked on the big time media. If you do, please contact me immediately!!!
As far as the Internet goes, look at any story dealing with E-cigarettes that allows comments to be left and chances are good you will find comments from Kristin or me (or both) in there. Kriston and I both have blogs. I'm working on a post regarding the FDA's heavy-handed action.
Anyone want to step up to volunteer to get us more publicity? To raise funds for the organization? How about you, GtrSoloist? What talents can you offer?
charge everyone on the message board .25 for every post on this website....
wait..... all I hear is crickets......
the moderators could send each person a monthly bill for posting privilages... If you don't pay your .25 per post donation, you can't post the next month, those who pay their bill get a little sticky happy face from the moderators that show, they are "truly supporting" members....
All in favor?......say I
charge all the vendors a 250.00 a month donation fee to post and have a link so they continue to advertise their sales here....
wait...where did everybody go?
oh.......... back to the new members forum to say how much they love their eGo.....
wait..... all I hear is crickets......
the moderators could send each person a monthly bill for posting privilages... If you don't pay your .25 per post donation, you can't post the next month, those who pay their bill get a little sticky happy face from the moderators that show, they are "truly supporting" members....
All in favor?......say I
charge all the vendors a 250.00 a month donation fee to post and have a link so they continue to advertise their sales here....
wait...where did everybody go?
oh.......... back to the new members forum to say how much they love their eGo.....
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Probably not, at least not anytime soon nor without spending a lot of money to have the products tested and approved as being safe.
The Federal Tax on a pack of cigarettes is $1.01 I believe. The average state tax on cigarettes $1.45 per pack. In actuality, the state tax ranges from $0.30 (Virginia) to $4.35 (New York) per pack.
I used to work for a small state selling tax stamps to tobacco distributors. The state's tax rate was just over one dollar per pack and we collected anywhere from $1-2 Million dollars a day. Again, that was a small under-populated state with a relatively low tax rate.
You should be able to find out exactly how much is collected by state, and possibly the federal government if you a put a little effort into it... these figures are usually not hidden.
I have a few ideas, I will contact you soon.
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I am disheartened to hear the FDA is moving forward on this. I hear a lot of folks worried about getting nicotine but isn't the problem the fact they are trying to label/control the PV itself as a 'drug delivery device'? If that is the case, might be difficult to get PVs. Otoh, I don't see how they can win this since by the same logic, any pipe would be considered a 'drug delivery device' to smoke tobacco/nicotine (as well as other things). Are pipes regulated and tested?
Has anyone heard anything about responses from the 5 vendors who received letters?
I don't think you can charge people for each post but how about a subforum where things are sold like on the classifieds but all proceeds go to CASAA? I would buy/sell to help the cause.
Has anyone heard anything about responses from the 5 vendors who received letters?
I don't think you can charge people for each post but how about a subforum where things are sold like on the classifieds but all proceeds go to CASAA? I would buy/sell to help the cause.
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