Apollo Reliant 60W - TC with TCR adjustment, including Stainless Steel support

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Auto res refine works as it should with my Evics. The mod AND atty have to be at/near 20°c to obtain true base res. The atty intitially cools faster than the mod but is thermally coupled to the mod, so the last few degrees of cooling drop much slower, because of this until the mod reaches 20°c the atty never will, unless of coarse you're outside in cold weather. In any case, the best you can hope for is to leave your rig sit over night in a room at 20°c to obtain a perfect base res. Once that is done you should never see the "same coil/new coil" message reappear, unless you change attys.

As the weather is getting cooler, and we haven't used heat yet, my house is falling below 20°c at night now. My Evics have now refined the res down .02 lower than previously refined. I've had to turn my temp settings up to compensate but don't think the res will drop any more from this point on because the mod has refined at 20°c/68°f. I am assuming (hoping) the Reliant behaves similarly.

Re: Measuring ambient air temp is useless imo because it doesn't reflect the actual atty or internal mod temp and would be prone to wildly fluctuating air temps eg. Mod in and out of pocket, in and out of buildings/cars, wind etc.
 
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    What do you mean by that? I don't get it...

    In any case the "new coil or old coil" is not annoying me. It comes up mainly after you sleep at night and never during the day unless I switch atomizer. I can definitely live with it.

    I agree. The way the Reliant has implemented the detection seems to work well and allows for a reliable vaping experience.
     
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    Major Meatwad

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    Crickets chirping here. Is there another thread or is everyone so pleased with thier Reliant that there's nothing to say, or is Apollo just not selling enough of them to generate responses?
    Just Joined ECF recently...
    This thread is an awesome resource regarding the Apollo Reliant. We have been following it for months.
    Tc beyond Ni-200 is another most excellent thread!
    Shout out to theBloke for that one although he seems to be MIA?:matrix:

    We have 2 Reliants in this household since early september and now have used them on the stock Phazer with Ni-200, Sense Herakles Hydra ni-200, uWell Crown SS dual .5 and rba ss 304 wire. Smok TFV4 rba with 24ga .5ohm SS 304 and 26ga .7ohm wire with ... organic cotton. With Max VG juice. Protank 2 , Aerotank v2 and Aspire Nautilus Mini with PG. We also have a couple Apollo Valiants and a Koopor mini 60w TC. (limited to .0040 to .0080 tcr) so ni-200 only or Ti. Currently using 2 Lg he2 2500ma and 2 Samsung 25R bateries.

    So far the Reliant has handled everything thrown at it and is exactly as everyone has stated in this thread.

    The only issues we have encountered was the uwell crown dual head suffered from burnt wick in temp mode possibly due to connection, then further aggravated by running in wattage mode at 40-50 watts for 3-4 second draw.
    It fried the wick bad and ruined basically a day old coil.

    Thanks to this thread we were enlightened to running temp mode at 30-35 watts with a temp around 380-420f depending on juice. It gives a very smooth vape with far less popping than when we started at 60 watts in Temp mode. Lower watts extends battery life too.

    The new coil message seems to be the only minor inconvenience and as one digs in to its meaning it is actually still a good thing as it gives opportunity to insure the base line resistance is correct.
    We didn't understand til later that if the base line changes, the vape temp can change.

    So far the reliant is one of a very select few mods that can handle SS304 properly and easily.
    Dna 200 and the Dicodes are the others but it seems the Smok Xcube ii is having problems with SS so far.

    The angled fire button has become feeling more the right way to do it.

    Luckily we started with tank-Juice vaping via PT2 and Apollo and their Customer service and speed of shipping have been Great!
    We have messed with E-cig types over the years but not worth mentioning any more.

    1 in the house prefers the simple Low watt Pro Tank/Aerotank setup for ease of use/reliability and does not like the technical tweaking needed to effectively sub-ohm or temp control.
    The other 2 of us Techies love the reward of Flavor from the TC of the Reliant with VG and it satisfies our nature to try to get the best experience possible.

    The Reliant is truly one of only 3 mods on the market at the moment that can do ALL and does it it Easily and does it well!

    Single battery seems to be its only limitation but that is offset by its size. There is always a compromise.:vapor:

    Cheers!:toast:
     

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    Wow, thanks for the great review meatwad. Welcome to ecf!!
    Thank you sir!
    ECF is an awesome source of Info! So many knowledgeable and exploratory enthusiast. Who would of thought vaping could be a hobby?
    I have spent 100's of hours reading threads on here and can even Vape simultaneously while at it:vapor:
     

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    Crickets chirping here. Is there another thread or is everyone so pleased with thier Reliant that there's nothing to say, or is Apollo just not selling enough of them to generate responses?

    Mines working fine - a decent mod - no issues so far.

    I'm thinking Apollo is not selling many as a quick look at the other device threads (and the prices of those devices) me thinks that Apollo missed the "sweet spot" pricing wise for many vapers and while it is 1/2 price of some DNA200's the Reliants pricing is more than many of the currently popular mods.

    Then again, its difficult to judge just by traffic as some of the seemingly 'popular' mods have ether bugs or rambling off topic discussions filling the threads.
     

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    Mines working fine - a decent mod - no issues so far.

    I'm thinking Apollo is not selling many as a quick look at the other device threads (and the prices of those devices) me thinks that Apollo missed the "sweet spot" pricing wise for many vapers and while it is 1/2 price of some DNA200's the Reliants pricing is more than many of the currently popular mods.

    Then again, its difficult to judge just by traffic as some of the seemingly 'popular' mods have ether bugs or rambling off topic discussions filling the threads.

    Price Just dropped on the Reliant to $75 retail and if you get a 20% coupon makes it $60. Very competitive now!:banana:

    Also the Reliant starter kit is $129 down to $104 with 20% off. Great if you need battery/charger and some VG juice. It also has the Phazer Tank, 2 kanthals and 5 ni-200 coils too. All this for only $45 more than Mod alone. I even got an Lg he2 battery with the Reliant Kit. Apollo doesn't shortcut.

    We used the Phazer Tank for a month in TC with the ni-200. No problems or leaks, Cloud ability is good, flavor is decent and warmth of Vape is medium. Overall very usable just a slight metal/sterile taste to it. Very subtle until you compare it to top tier tanks. If only it had a rebuild-able deck.o_O

    When mods have problems, they seem to have a lot of posts. So buzz isn't always good.

    Hence I stayed away from the Smok xcube ii due to issues with the Stainless Steel ability and the stupidity of a Paid AP to do so. If Smok wanted to see who was using SS they could have still made it free.

    Firmware can't always fix hardware digital , Analog circuit issues or sampling limitations.
    Firmware updates should often be regarded as great for button input/menu issue fixes more so.

    Even though there is no firmware update ability on the Reliant, I consider it a non-issue as its menu system is simple and well thought out. I do not need to access the manual at all to change things.
    :thumb:
     
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    Major Meatwad

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    @Major Meatwad , do you have a current 20% coupon code?
    Apollo runs promotions a lot, of course there is the ECF I believe from this forum.
    Unfortunately a lot of apollo codes are 1 time use so make em worth it.
    I have gotten a couple from email too.
    Search the web too:w00t:
    Cheers!
     
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    It is my understanding that the SXK chip is for some reason (unknown to me) the only chip that incorporates the NP function. It is found in various labels such as the Reliant, Zero clones, Geeco mods, some Vapor Shark clones?, some Infinite clones and perhaps a few others. Since the NP adjustment is so useful for TC users I have often wondered just why it has not been incorporated into all other TC chips. It seems it would be a no brainer unless there is some sort of patent protection that would prevent that.I have recently learned that SXK is now taking pre-orders for a new Nebula 200W box that will have the NP in its chip. Preorder price is around $65 I think. This should be a very good one and so I wait. My Reliant is working well.
     

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    It is my understanding that the SXK chip is for some reason (unknown to me) the only chip that incorporates the NP function. It is found in various labels such as the Reliant, Zero clones, Geeco mods, some Vapor Shark clones?, some Infinite clones and perhaps a few others. Since the NP adjustment is so useful for TC users I have often wondered just why it has not been incorporated into all other TC chips. It seems it would be a no brainer unless there is some sort of patent protection that would prevent that.I have recently learned that SXK is now taking pre-orders for a new Nebula 200W box that will have the NP in its chip. Preorder price is around $65 I think. This should be a very good one and so I wait. My Reliant is working well.

    You probably already know the Nickel Purity 10-100 setting is essentially just another name for adjustable tcr eg. .0001-.010.

    Now some TC mod manufacturers seem to be moving towards auto-tcr detection the likes of which can be found on the Ijoy Asolo and Aspire Nebulus. A few pulls in wattage mode is all it takes for them to approximate tcr, then flip over to tc and vape away.

    Ivstill want a Red Reliant though. Saving$$
     
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    You probably already know the Nickel Purity 10-100 setting is essentially just another name for adjustable tcr eg. .0001-.010.

    Now some TC mod manufacturers seem to be moving towards auto-tcr detection the likes of which can be found on the Ijoy Asolo and Aspire Nebulus. A few pulls in wattage mode is all it takes for them to approximate tcr, then flip over to tc and vape away.

    Ivstill want a Red Reliant though. Saving$$
    Yes, I have followed the Asolo to the extent possible without actually acquiring one. They do seem to be on the right track but the learning feature still seems to be problematic and needs more refinement. I hope that is happening since it would certainly make for an ideal device if the TCR evelope is wide enough. I am afraid I am not familiar with the Aspire Nebulus or of any testing of that one. Do you have any links to get one better informed on that device?

    Also, has there been any info on the bloke?
     

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    Price Just dropped on the Reliant to $75 retail and if you get a 20% coupon makes it $60. Very competitive now!:banana:

    Also the Reliant starter kit is $129 down to $104 with 20% off. Great if you need battery/charger and some VG juice. It also has the Phazer Tank, 2 kanthals and 5 ni-200 coils too. All this for only $45 more than Mod alone. I even got an Lg he2 battery with the Reliant Kit. Apollo doesn't shortcut.

    We used the Phazer Tank for a month in TC with the ni-200. No problems or leaks, Cloud ability is good, flavor is decent and warmth of Vape is medium. Overall very usable just a slight metal/sterile taste to it. Very subtle until you compare it to top tier tanks. If only it had a rebuild-able deck.o_O

    When mods have problems, they seem to have a lot of posts. So buzz isn't always good.

    Hence I stayed away from the Smok xcube ii due to issues with the Stainless Steel ability and the stupidity of a Paid AP to do so. If Smok wanted to see who was using SS they could have still made it free.

    Firmware can't always fix hardware digital , Analog circuit issues or sampling limitations.
    Firmware updates should often be regarded as great for button input/menu issue fixes more so.

    Even though there is no firmware update ability on the Reliant, I consider it a non-issue as its menu system is simple and well thought out. I do not need to access the manual at all to change things.
    :thumb:
    I believe the phazer heads were designed to be easily rebuildable if im not mistaken

    Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
     

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    Yes, I have followed the Asolo to the extent possible without actually acquiring one. They do seem to be on the right track but the learning feature still seems to be problematic and needs more refinement. I hope that is happening since it would certainly make for an ideal device if the TCR evelope is wide enough. I am afraid I am not familiar with the Aspire Nebulus or of any testing of that one. Do you have any links to get one better informed on that device?

    Also, has there been any info on the bloke?

    I have an Asolo. Seems to work well for Ka1 ss and ti. It is a little tricky to get full power in flavor mode with kanthal builds. You have to make sure your coils are not oversaturated when auto detecting tcr or it will underpower and give a dry coil messege . Other than that it works great. When my ka1 drippers begin to run dry it reduces power and flashes the dry coil icon just as it should.

    I have no info on the nebulus. Saw a guy using one at a local b&m. He liked it but was not using tc yet. I will buy a Reliant before messing with any other single 18650 tc mods. Congrats on your purchase there.
     
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    How is the firing button on this thing?

    Can you fire it with the side of your thumb in a comfortable manner?

    I'm interested now that I really have started using SS430 a lot.

    Thanks

    Eric
    The button is very low profile and easy to press, I don't understand what you mean by the side of your thumb but I don't see it being an issue.
     
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