Apple method nicotine extraction experiment #0001

[bishybob]

Yeah smoking home made stuff out of an e-cig can't be any more dangerous than smoking tobacco out of a vaporizer or smoking out of a hookah. Probably less so.

Basically it's the same thing, except you're filtering out the tobacco to make it work with a sensitive atomizer instead of a heavier duty ceramic/glass vaporizor...

Like Accordeur said a lot of the bad stuff comes from the combustion itself.
With what you guys are doing, you might as well put tobacco juice in a spray bottle and spray it into your lungs. Still dangerous I'm sure but nothing like smoking.

 

[TropicalBob]

Actually, this is not at all like spraying lungs with tobacco juice. What we're trying to do with home brew is extract flavor from a solid and nicotine from that solid's chemical makeup. The vapor we create condenses to water in the air and to lactic acid in the lungs. Nothing bad about that. The nicotine transfers from lungs to blood stream to brain. We're used to that. And the solids have been mostly filtered out, and certainly don't accumulate to equal the dust you breathe every single day. Your lungs can handle it.

I do not view our practice as unusually dangerous.

You know ... I want to cut a cartridge filter in half and replace the lower part with an equal length of cigarette filter, to catch the last of the particulates. Might work. Haven't bought any, but I bet tobacco stores sell standalone filters for roll-your-own fanatics. Charcoal maybe? Need to keep that plastic flap at the bottom of the cartridges, so liquid doesn't back up into the cigarette filter.

 

[accordeur]

Why not use the cigarette filter inside a syringe, take the needle off, and use that to filter the juice?

 

[TropicalBob]

Excellent. I use a syringe without the needle to squish fluid from cartridges and to mix and measure ingredients. I also have fish aquarium polyester filter material (exactly like E-Cig's core material, BTW) and could squeeze through that, as well.

 

[accordeur]

I just tried it, see pictures. It does not take away all the particulates. Gotta find better filter material. I only filtered the top part of the bottle which already had very few particulates in it. The more I think about it, it's probably better to just let the particulates settle et the bottom and use the top part.

 

[Klaue]

I'm just wondering about two things:
1. Cigarettes have much more nicotine than advertised, but most of it is burnt away. Wouldn't that mean that the tobacco solution has a dangerously high amount of nicotine in it, which is not burned when consumed?
2. What about the nitrosamines? Don't you get nearly the same amount as you get with a real cig? (less because I'm sure that some/much of it comes from the burning process itself but I think it's still quite high)

 

[Kibey]

I'm just wondering about two things:
1. Cigarettes have much more nicotine than advertised, but most of it is burnt away. Wouldn't that mean that the tobacco solution has a dangerously high amount of nicotine in it, which is not burned when consumed?
2. What about the nitrosamines? Don't you get nearly the same amount as you get with a real cig? (less because I'm sure that some/much of it comes from the burning process itself but I think it's still quite high)

Day 4: Slightly hammered on cheap rice distillate. Apple is still an apple. Saw a dog humping a cat (you've got to see this... http://www.metacafe.com/w/1444476 ...FUNNY )

From what I understand. Cigarettes have what's advertised, but you don't need that much. 1mg from a 16mg ciggie will give you what you need and the other 15mg is burned away.
Don't know what a nitrosamine is. I'll have to look in to that.

I like the cig filter idea. Seems to clear the liquid up pretty good.

 

[Kibey]

Here's some pictures.

The juice looks really ugly!

I'm going to let it settle and try filter it again. I haven't tried the juice yet, I have no idea how much nicotine is in there.

My next experiment I'm going to use a potato or something.

 

[dnakr]

Yep, The juice does look really ugly! But will hopefully look better once it is filtered. Have you tried it yet?

Edited to add: Please do try a potato next time.

 

[katink]

How about using dried fruit? Wouldn't that pull the nicotine further in as it swells in the juice, so give more/better, perhaps?
Would actualy be a good idea to send this kind of result you have now to some lab where they can actualy find out how much nicotine it holds. But I guess that won't be cheap...

 

[Gunny]

How about using dried fruit? Wouldn't that pull the nicotine further in as it swells in the juice, so give more/better, perhaps?
Would actualy be a good idea to send this kind of result you have now to some lab where they can actualy find out how much nicotine it holds. But I guess that won't be cheap...

There might be another way. However if it is too high I think this test might be a little too late.

Rapid Nicotine Cotinine tests

 

[dnakr]

If I am reading this correctly, that test would only show if there was nicotine present, right? - not how much nicotine.

 

[windblown]

If I am reading this correctly, that test would only show if there was nicotine present, right? - not how much nicotine.

You're exactly right. I bought some of the test strips to see if all of the nicotine was gone out of my blood. I had been smoking straight Bickfords for at least a week and the darn tests still showed the presence of nicotine.

But there is no way to tell how much nicotine.....just that it is over the minimum level for detection.

 

[TropicalBob]

Yeh, we've been around that bush. Every fluid we use shows nicotine. The issue is "HOW MUCH nicotine" -- that's what we need to know in home experiments. If you find a test for that, Gunny, let us know. Many have looked high and low without success for some inexpensive way to do this outside a laboratory.

 

[dnakr]

You're exactly right. I bought some of the test strips to see if all of the nicotine was gone out of my blood. I had been smoking straight Bickfords for at least a week and the darn tests still showed the presence of nicotine.

But there is no way to tell how much nicotine.....just that it is over the minimum level for detection.

Really? I thought nicotine left your system within 3 days and you are still showing positive? Are you around a smoker?

 

[Gunny]

Boy! There were bees in that bush.

So intense, it was a feeble attempt at a little levity.

Sorry guys.

I also am quite interested in this topic.

 

[windblown]

Really? I thought nicotine left your system within 3 days and you are still showing positive? Are you around a smoker?

That's what I thought too, but I was still showing positive. I am around other people who smoke, so I can't rule out second-hand smoke as a possibility.....but I would be surprised since they don't smoke very much.

 

[dnakr]

With "Gunny" as your name - we may always take you seriously. LOL

 

[dnakr]

That's what I thought too, but I was still showing positive. I am around other people who smoke, so I can't rule out second-hand smoke as a possibility.....but I would be surprised since they don't smoke very much.

Thats funny, when my daughter had to do all the "tests" to join the marines, nicotine was one of them. At the time I had just switched over to the e-cig and my husband was still smoking. They thought for sure she would test postive - but she didn't.

 

[TropicalBob]

If we could find some kind of indicator that changed color with increasing/decreasing nicotine, then we could test known sources -- 24mg, 11mg, 6mg -- and compare the results to what we cook at home.