Are genesis atomizers outdated?

[mrmonday]

I originally purchased my KFL+ six months ago because everyone on ECF told me they were better than genesis atomizers. My kayfun is alright but after I purchased my first dripper (nimbus) I basically never use my kayfun because the draw is way to tight for me, it gives me a headache. I have been content with dripping for the last few months but constantly dripping and carrying around bottles is a hassle and I have been searching for better options. I just purchased an origen v2 because of the large drip well but I have been thinking more and more about genesis atomizers. Recently it seems like more drippers have been coming out and no one is really talking about gennys anymore. Are they obsolete? I tried my friends kraken and it blows my kayfun away in airflow, vapor production, and flavor. I am thinking about giving the kraken a chance and building it with rayon and dual micro coils around .35 ohm for auto dripping when I am out of the house. What do you guys think, will a genesis work as well as my dripper? And if so why are people saying they are outdated?

 

[DreamWithin]

People say they're outdated because they aren't as popular as they once were. Just a short time ago they were all the rage and there was a new atty or hybrid mod coming out every week, then other things came along that provided a great vape and were easier to build that stole a lot of the popularity. Just the nature of the industry

I wouldn't say they're outdated, myself. They have their place and there are still quite a lot of vapers that use them. As with all things vaping it just comes down to personal preference

 

[Ryedan]

Recently it seems like more drippers have been coming out and no one is really talking about gennys anymore. Are they obsolete? I tried my friends kraken and it blows my kayfun away in airflow, vapor production, and flavor. I am thinking about giving the kraken a chance and building it with rayon and dual micro coils around .35 ohm for auto dripping when I am out of the house. What do you guys think, will a genesis work as well as my dripper? And if so why are people saying they are outdated?

IMO DreamWithin pretty much nailed it . My favorite device right now is a bottom fed Reo Grand with a dripper that I don't have to drip into. It has a 6 ml bottle inside and I 'squonk' (squeeze the bottle) to wet the wick. Running a dual coil atty at 0.4 ohms on it and it's fantastic.

I'm also using a K100 with a AGA-T Genisis atty on it with a different juice. I've got stainless steel mesh in the AGA-T. SS mesh is probably the hardest wick material to learn to use because it's electrically conductive and you have to oxidize it so it doesn't short the coil. Get it working right and it's a great vape though. The mesh lasts a long time and gives very clean flavor. Vapor production is great too.

I haven't tried setting up the AGA-T in auto drip mode yet because I like it so much with SS, but I understand that works very well and it makes sense to me. I got a Kraken clone to play with and will probably do it that way and see how it goes.

The AGA-T was my first RBA and I stuck with it for over six months. Switched to a Trident RDA for about the same time before switching to the Reo. I almost never use the Trident now, but still use the AGA-T.

I doubt many new vapers will learn how to use SS mesh because there are so many easier options now. I think though if you want dripper performance with a tank, you have only a few choices and Genisis attys in auto drip mode is one of them.

 

[Baditude]

I agree with the above. My first experience with rebuildables was with two AGA-T genesis-style tanks. I tried real hard to like them. Sometimes they worked reasonably well, other times not so. Stainless steel mesh is extremely difficult to work with; to the tune that I began ordering pre-rolled wicks online. The AGA-T leaks if not kept upright, so they are not a portable tank system. I grew tired of having to do the "genny tilt" every time I vaped. After two months, I gave up and went back to my trusty cartotanks. I will never recommend a genesis-style tank to anyone. The kayfun-style is a much better design with less of a learning curve.

A few months ago I was gifted a KFL+. I love this tank (although I admit it has a stiffer draw than I would like). Not position dependent so I can take this tank anywhere and everywhere and not worry about it leaking. Aside from some temporary leaking from the air hole from a bad o-ring, I've not had any issues with this tank. Great flavor and satisfactory vapor production.

I've been dripping on a IGO-W and a Patriot RDA for a few weeks. Much more open draw after drilling out the airholes. Direct lung hits and incredible vapor @ 0.6 ohm dual microcoils. I'm a happy vaper.

 

[ukeman]

SS mesh can be a bear to learn ... agreed.
But in my last use of Geni RBA's including the Kraken, and a few others ( I still have an original DID ) I was finding steel rope with eko or nextel weave "sock" at the top did the trick for avoiding hot spot issues.

That said, I firmly believe that a good RDA is not only easier, its a cleaner vape imo. The flavor is better.

ymmv and some will disagree, but I can only say from my experience, after using Geni's for at least 2 years.

That said, there are many RDA styles/designs to choose from, and not all are created equal.

For me the RDA styles I favor are the under-coil air sourced ones: Prometey2, Achilles, Gryphon, and Magma... all those going every day.

(The Origen2 (side air source) has pretty good flavor too.)

 

[mrmonday]

SS mesh can be a bear to learn ... agreed.
But in my last use of Geni RBA's including the Kraken, and a few others ( I still have an original DID ) I was finding steel rope with eko or nextel weave "sock" at the top did the trick for avoiding hot spot issues.

That said, I firmly believe that a good RDA is not only easier, its a cleaner vape imo. The flavor is better.

ymmv and some will disagree, but I can only say from my experience, after using Geni's for at least 2 years.

That said, there are many RDA styles/designs to choose from, and not all are created equal.

For me the RDA styles I favor are the under-coil air sourced ones: Prometey2, Achilles, Gryphon, and Magma... all those going every day.

(The Origen2 (side air source) has pretty good flavor too.)

This is all I needed to hear, I'll stick with my origen v2 until there is a kayfun style RTA with dual 3mm air holes, perhaps the orchid rta will solve all my problems.

 

[Bunnykiller]

outdated?? Im still using my RSST as an ADV... just got to know how to set them up right... and it doesnt include SS mesh to do it right

 

[Rickajho]

Don't know who/where they were saying gennys are outdated. See here for 12 recent pages of defense of genesis: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-tanks-dead-ive-got-few-collecting-dust.html

 

[SoftSell]

I find sitting at home or in my car with my kraken is fantastic. I actually don't care for the kayfuns, although I don't like genesis on the go.
I'll give a +1 to the Reo mod though. Got one in the mail last Thursday and I'm already plotting my 2nd one. It's literally everything I've been looking for in a mod.

 

[tj99959]

The thing is you will find what you like. Time will continue to march on, and other things will become popular. But just because you like new things as they come along, doesn't mean that you can't still like the old things. I've been using the same old drippers for over two years now. Got all the new stuff, but still love the old ones. Hell, I even still like a carto tank.

 

[mrmonday]

outdated?? Im still using my RSST as an ADV... just got to know how to set them up right... and it doesnt include SS mesh to do it right

Do you have it set up with cotton as an autodripper? How often do you replace the wicks and how hard are they to replace?

 

[k2zs]

At home, my favorite vape is a Zenesis 2 System Mini Genesis atty that I wicked with 3mm ReadyXWick. It has the best flavor I've ever tasted and this current build is already past the 2 month mark (same juice).

I slide an 18ga needle inside the RXW and give it a loosely spaced 4 wraps of 30ga Kanthal which comes in at 1.4 ohm. For the past 2 months now all I've been doing is topping off the tank.

While a genny isn't good for on-the-go type stuff, it's great for home, in the car, or the hotel room...

 

[Jp20]

I skipped over gennies. I went from dripping for almost a year to a kayfun. I don't like the kayfun, so a few weeks ago I got a Pyrex rsst. For me, it was easy. I watched a few vids on ss wick set up and dove right in. I love this style of tank. The hardest part is finding info on methods of wicking and set up. everything is subohm this and triple gopher nano flapjack coil that. Don't get me wrong I like to subohm, but some of this stuff cracks me up.

 

[Dana A]

I have been using 3 AGA T2s on my Provaris for nearly a year I think. I am still using the original SS mesh wicks in all 3 of them. One wick is starting to show signs of needing to be replaced. I also dry burn and then scrape and rinse the coil after each 1 or 2 tanks of liquid. I have had a coil last me 6 weeks or more at a time. They usually just finally pop after enough use and it takes me about 1 min to replace just the wire. I hate that they leak when laid down but the ease of use and being able to crank up the volts if I want to without any burnt flavor make the trade off worth it to me. I have no intention of changing set ups any time in the future unless I can no longer find lost parts for the AGA T2s. I just cannot think of any other reason to change set ups. This set up makes me more then happy every single day.

 

[rick.mtn.view.ca]

I recently rediscovered genesis style atomizers. My previous experience was with an AGA T2 and mesh. That kept me away from gennys for almost two years. Then my favorite vape shop, THE VAPING BUDDHA in S. SanFransico, got some DUAL RSST with pyrex tank. It has isolated wick holes, spring and washer to trap wire, insulated tank and adjustable airflow and it got me back in the game. I've been using steel rope/echowool topper and building from 0.5 to 0.7 ohms with wide open draw. This tank has an industrial look that's just fine and is essentially foolproof. Excellent first tank for someone with limited experience genesis experience. Two or three wraps of #24 or #28 kanthal and your good to go for a month. Every few tanks, you can pulse burn your coil clean and it will be as good as new. I believe the tank is in the $40 range and I liked it so much, I bought two. Since acquiring a Stingray brass clone from Infinite, I had to find a genny in brass and found a Kraken clone from Infinite. A beatiful but troublesome atty but after a little drilling and learning its ins and outs.....vaping nirvana. Anyone wanna buy a bag of cotton balls?

 

[v1k1ng1001]

REOs would really suit the OP.

I don't like fiddling around with the genesis-style tanks. I'd rather just run an RDA.

 

[greyfox]

The way I see it, if you enjoy vaping on something, particularly if it keeps you from smoking the nasties, it doesn't matter how old the tech is or what other people's opinions are on the atty, tank or mod. Hell, if you enjoy using Pyramid tea bags or blue foam as a filler material (that's how I started) have at it. The most important thing is that YOU enjoy your chosen setup. Vape on!

*Just a side note here, I personally prefer a Kayfun Lite+ with wide open airflow running a 1.5 ohm coil and organic cotton wick at 15 watts. Everything is subjective my friend

 

[mastertekno]

I was considered my RSST dead until I tryed wiking "U" style with cotton, now it's just reborn and it's better than my Aqua with drilled air holes.

 

[Nytebreed]

Hell, if you enjoy using Pyramid tea bags or blue foam as a filler material (that's how I started) have at it. The most important thing is that YOU enjoy your chosen setup. Vape on!

Ahhh I remember those days. I kept drinking the tea instead of using it to repack the carto tips, so I just started gutting the tips and dripping on the bare atty.
I still have a couple OG Joye 510s in my desk drawer. Occasionally I will give my coworker converts a history lesson.

 

[Vaslovik]

I went to a genny 5 weeks after I started vaping. I'm still with it more than a year later. Not being one of the herd I have no use for cotton or silica, mesh is my thing, and I love my RSST. I've long observed that there are many who can't roll a mesh wick to save their lives, and for the life of me I cannot understand it. I found it quite easy to master, but even such web personalities as Grim Green cannot do it, and so he has to trash mesh for all he's worth. He told me he gave up trying after more than 40 wicks of his turned out to be garbage. Well dude, you just don't have the aptitude is all. My 3rd wick was perfect, as all subsequent wicks have been.

If you can't master rolling a mesh wick there's always the kayfunnies, drippers, and that sort of stuff that the herd uses, and you can go online bashing mesh and asking if gennies are obsolete. Not for me they aren't, or for anyone else with a brain and basic ability.