I was thinking Kobalt, actually. The blue tools only sold at Lowes... Tightening down a heater band is not an electrical repair. It is a mechanical repair...
Are Premium Juice Vendors Taking Advantage of us?
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I was thinking Kobalt, actually. The blue tools only sold at Lowes... Tightening down a heater band is not an electrical repair. It is a mechanical repair...
WOW - this thread has certainly taken a turn! Wasn't Sprocket's original point that if a vendor is charging "premium" prices, shouldn't they stand behind their product with better customer service??? At least, that is what *I* thought he was saying...Just my
And, IMO, it matters not what anyone perceives is the price threshold for what can be considered a "premium" vendor. "Feathers", along with others, do charge more than many other vendors. I don't mind paying a "somewhat" higher price from a vendor that delivers excellent juice consistently, and when/if there IS a problem, their customer service is just as excellent.
I'm running for cover on the DIY vs. vendor issue.But, I will say, that this thread has given me a LOT to think about in that regard. I may just try it sometime in the future.
Yeah, I've tried juices that were really very,very good artisan style juices, but they were labors of love,as a result they were overwhelmed with orders and the customer service came apart..I couldn't buy their juice any longer, because you never knew when it would get to you....weeks late...even a month late.
That's it....but I prefer the purple one..better throat hit.
did it have electricity running thru it? then its electrical, requiring a lockout...
WOW - this thread has certainly taken a turn! Wasn't Sprocket's original point that if a vendor is charging "premium" prices, shouldn't they stand behind their product with better customer service??? At least, that is what *I* thought he was saying...Just my
And, IMO, it matters not what anyone perceives is the price threshold for what can be considered a "premium" vendor. "Feathers", along with others, do charge more than many other vendors. I don't mind paying a "somewhat" higher price from a vendor that delivers excellent juice consistently, and when/if there IS a problem, their customer service is just as excellent.
I'm running for cover on the DIY vs. vendor issue.
I started the DIY about a month or two after I started vaping mostly because I worked my through college as a chef and figured it would be a nice avenue to try that side of creativity with taste. Its really a blast, its easy, quick, and very cost effective. The upside is if the feds get involved you'll have a good backup plan. Self sufficiency is priceless. Plus, when I do buy juice its like an extra 'treat'.
Well all I know is I'm vaping commercial juice that is to die for and it only costs me 15 cents per ml. Looking at my cupboard full of "Premium" juice that I spent hundreds on, it really makes me angry that they charge what they do.WOW - this thread has certainly taken a turn! Wasn't Sprocket's original point that if a vendor is charging "premium" prices, shouldn't they stand behind their product with better customer service??? At least, that is what *I* thought he was saying...Just my
And, IMO, it matters not what anyone perceives is the price threshold for what can be considered a "premium" vendor. "Feathers", along with others, do charge more than many other vendors. I don't mind paying a "somewhat" higher price from a vendor that delivers excellent juice consistently, and when/if there IS a problem, their customer service is just as excellent.
I'm running for cover on the DIY vs. vendor issue. [emoji38] But, I will say, that this thread has given me a LOT to think about in that regard. I may just try it sometime in the future.
Some of the expensive juice I have is great. with that being said however, I can't find a single juice in my collection that's worth the additional 35 to 85 cents per ml. Or in other words, the cost of vintage whiskey.
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please do... it could save someone from a serious accident ( I am serious about this)
ENOUGH!
I have had to clean up quite a few posts.
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Please and Thank you.
I have had to clean up quite a few posts.
REMINDER: Attack the post, NOT the person making the post!
The next time I have to do some housecleaning, I will start issuing RR's.
Please and Thank you.
we are not 'fooling ourselves' many DIY started off buying eliquid... you dont just start vaping and making your own liquid right off the bat..
after buying the first few bottles, I wish I did 
that stuff was nasty Glad I found Heathers...
that stuff was nasty Glad I found Heathers...
yeah i dont know, went from vendor, to DIY, to throwing hundreds of dollars around on phones drinks and first dates, to building some kind of anti explosive device in the ocean in an oil rig or something, to talking about screwdrivers, then arguing about irrelevant stuff to make peoples egos feel better. 
i guess someone was insulted at some point in the first 7 pages and now an epeen fight is going on.
i guess someone was insulted at some point in the first 7 pages and now an epeen fight is going on.
Alright, busted. It was a bit too cute of a jab, and yes I could have chosen a better code...I wanted to have my cake and eat it too, so sue me. I consider it a light flogging.
WOW - this thread has certainly taken a turn! Wasn't Sprocket's original point that if a vendor is charging "premium" prices, shouldn't they stand behind their product with better customer service??? At least, that is what *I* thought he was saying...Just my
And, IMO, it matters not what anyone perceives is the price threshold for what can be considered a "premium" vendor. "Feathers", along with others, do charge more than many other vendors. I don't mind paying a "somewhat" higher price from a vendor that delivers excellent juice consistently, and when/if there IS a problem, their customer service is just as excellent.
I'm running for cover on the DIY vs. vendor issue.
Indeed it was
But this thread has given me a lot to think about as well...and I think this debate needs to be hashed out. There is an answer here; hopefully we can get to it before blood is spilled.Game-on.
Yes, the idea of making my own e-juice didn't seriously cross my mind until I'd been vaping for about 2 1/2 years....so I got a chance to taste a very broad spectrum of juices before trying to DIY....In all honesty the only juices I DIY are all NET juices....and what I make I would put up against the best NET makers out there..better than most of them.
i dont know. i see the arguement as moot point. Its a fact, creating your own eliquid is cheaper than premade, it is also a fact that you can create flavors equal to or better to premade juices, you can also create your own complex flavorings that only you know the recipe to. There are still some flavors out there that people cant recreate and are unique, and those are the ones that are 'worth' it to people. Simple flavors you can make at home that just require mixing 1 or 2 flavors into an eliquid, imo those are not premium and dont deserve a high price tag.
IMO, if you want to buy premade blueberry or strawberry cheesecake or vanilla cupcake eliquids for a high price because you dont want to DIY, you are allowed to, no one is trying to stop you (at least i'm not), but completely denying the fact that you can make those exact simple premade eliquids for a fraction of the price, then you are just lying to yourself because it is a fact. Also the majority of eliquids that vendors sell are just mixtures of flavorings that you can buy yourself, the only missing element is the recipe, and that is what deserves the money, the secret recipe.
if you havent even looked at DIY yet, and still think it is chemistry, here is a list of actual flavorings that are complex and come in one bottle that you can mix yourself.
Banana foster
blueberry crumble cake
strawberry cheesecake
blueberry cheesecake
velvet cake
organic banana nut bread
pina colada
peanuit butter cup
cinnamon danish swirl
peach green tea
strawberry shortcake
apple pie graham cracker crust
all these flavors are just single bottle flavorings. u can mix and match simpler flavors with complex flavors and add sweeteners or menthol, DIY is a playground of complexity and running into 'ADV's is just constant for me. I honestly dont save recipes and i just put stuff in a bottle I feel like vaping that day and it all tastes good. It basically tastes how it smells when you mix it fresh.
IMO, if you want to buy premade blueberry or strawberry cheesecake or vanilla cupcake eliquids for a high price because you dont want to DIY, you are allowed to, no one is trying to stop you (at least i'm not), but completely denying the fact that you can make those exact simple premade eliquids for a fraction of the price, then you are just lying to yourself because it is a fact. Also the majority of eliquids that vendors sell are just mixtures of flavorings that you can buy yourself, the only missing element is the recipe, and that is what deserves the money, the secret recipe.
if you havent even looked at DIY yet, and still think it is chemistry, here is a list of actual flavorings that are complex and come in one bottle that you can mix yourself.
Banana foster
blueberry crumble cake
strawberry cheesecake
blueberry cheesecake
velvet cake
organic banana nut bread
pina colada
peanuit butter cup
cinnamon danish swirl
peach green tea
strawberry shortcake
apple pie graham cracker crust
all these flavors are just single bottle flavorings. u can mix and match simpler flavors with complex flavors and add sweeteners or menthol, DIY is a playground of complexity and running into 'ADV's is just constant for me. I honestly dont save recipes and i just put stuff in a bottle I feel like vaping that day and it all tastes good. It basically tastes how it smells when you mix it fresh.
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WOW!!!! I can't believe I spent my Friday night reading all of these oh wait I can: 
You know alice.... that is exactly how I got into my DIYing (well now I realized what you did, mine was actually taking diff flavored ejuices and mixing the 2)and now I can say I will buy premium as a treat because of the Customer Service I receive at my local B&M @Andria when I figure out a Very good Blueberry muffin type DIY, I will PM you a recipe just for you. I'm also a Blueberry Flavor junkie so to speak...
You know alice.... that is exactly how I got into my DIYing (well now I realized what you did, mine was actually taking diff flavored ejuices and mixing the 2)and now I can say I will buy premium as a treat because of the Customer Service I receive at my local B&M @Andria when I figure out a Very good Blueberry muffin type DIY, I will PM you a recipe just for you. I'm also a Blueberry Flavor junkie so to speak...
Heres how easy it is to make your own ejuice step by step (lol):
step 1: get nicotine base and flavorings
step 2: add flavorings to nicotine base
step 3: close and shake
There we go! Vanilla Cinnamon Sugar Cookie Gingerbread!
sorry i didnt have a sterile kitchen to make this in, nor did i have precise measuring syringes or beakers or a mixing plate. Left all that crap at the store. Still tastes GREAT, Makes CLOUDS, and was only 2$ and a minute of my time!
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Not, with NET juices they really need to steep for along time...well actually they are OK mixed fresh, but they really develop with a long steep. I find the idea of making complex juices the most appealing....the juices I prefer usually are complex juices....The thing I like about the idea of DIY is control over ingredients....it's like cooking the most important thing about great food is the quality of the ingredents you use...the best recepies in the world don't mean squat if you have inferior ingredients...I think alot of juice makers high brow and low brow use inferior flavorings,,,,they just use alot of them and make everything sweet as hell. with DIY you can use high quality extracts.
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