Are PV batteries dangerous?

[HarmonyPB]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, I've been sticking to the new members forum mostly and I figured searching for "batteries" would get me nowhere. I tried to discuss ecigs with a couple I know that smoke. They were open to it at first but when I went over there one night and pulled it out the woman was very much against it and almost angry that I would do such a thing (vape). Evidently she asked her daughter about it (she's a "nurse" of some kind) and she told her mom something about the batteries being dangerous. I didn't get much information about it, she was pretty drunk at this point. But it completely turned her off to them. I won't try talking to them about vaping again because she has obviously made up her mind. I wanted to ask if anyone has heard anything about the dangers of PV batteries? Are there dangers of leaking battery acid? vaping battery acid?

Thanks!

 

[hairball]

The only thing I can tell you if you are using a mod like the Buzz from notcigs (example), only use protected batteries. They don't explode. As far as proprietary batteries (eGo, Riva, ect.), I haven't read anything that would stop me from using them. The most that happens to these batteries are the MOSFET switch goes out of them and render them useless. I've also heard of them sticking which could make the heating element extremely hot until it died. Other than that, like I stated, nothing has happened to anyone that I've read/know about as far as getting hurt.

 

[mwa102464]

ANY BATTERY can be dangerous, protected or not if you don't use them properly, a regular energizer Battery can be dangerous and ecig battery in a Mod can be dangerous, it's all in proper use and if you use them properly then you are fine and there is no danger. It comes down to grounding them out and them overheating and getting hot enough to vent, this is why we all use protected batteries in Mods, they are safer, you still need to be careful and use these properly never the less, but as long as you do you shouldn't ever have an issue. You also don't want to over deplete them, or over charge them.

I suggest you read this = http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-mods.html

 

[HarmonyPB]

I suggest you read this = http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-mods.html

Wow, thanks for the link! That is very technical and descriptive! I guess I'm a noob when it comes to technical stuff. I have to admit that I didn't understand...any of that. I don't have any interest in mods (again, my brain isn't wired for that kind of stuff). I have a standard KR808D-2 (from what I've read I think that's what this thing is) and so I think that post said that as long I use it for it's intended purpose there are no dangers. The danger comes when people start modding/substituting batts and things. Right? Sorry, I need layman's terms.

 

[Rosa]

My understanding is that as far as health concerns go you should no more worry about putting the e-cig battery in your mouth as you would worry about putting the .... end of a pen light in your mouth -- perhaps less since most of our batteries are sealed.

I'd be interested to know how this could be more dangerous than inhaling the 4000+ chemicals in tobacco cigs (including more than 40 carcinogens, arsenic, cyanide, and formaldehyde)

 

[HarmonyPB]

My understanding is that as far as health concerns go you should no more worry about putting the e-cig battery in your mouth as you would worry about putting the .... end of a pen light in your mouth -- perhaps less since most of our batteries are sealed.

I'd be interested to know how this could be more dangerous than inhaling the 4000+ chemicals in tobacco cigs (including more than 40 carcinogens, arsenic, cyanide, and formaldehyde)

Yeah...they are an older couple and I didn't want to start a drunken argument about how healthy cigarettes are as opposed to ecigs. Just wondered if there were any reports seeing as her "nurse" daughter knew for sure that the batteries were dangerous and would probably kill you instantly. Exaggerating just a bit

Thanks all!

 

[StormFinch]

she was pretty drunk at this point.

I think this might have been the biggest problem.

 

[GMoney]

mwa102464 explained it well and that is a good link. Yes, theoretically there is a danger with all battery technologies, especially Li Ion. They can "vent" under some circumstances. These chances can be minimized by using protected batteries or in the case of ego's, Riva's their proprietary batteries have a protection circuit built in.

As, Rosa said, a similar danger as having a penlight in your mouth, well, at least if it is using Li Ion batteries.

Virtually, anything that you re-charge has Li Ion batteries in it. A few of the most common uses (that I can think of at the moment) are high end flashlights, like police officers carry, cell phones and ipods.

I would tell your friend, if she is scared of your PV then she better throw her cellphone and iPod away. Actually, save your breath. So many people in our society nowadays decide they don't like something and then come up with reasons to justify it, you will never change her mind. I, personally, would just tell her she is an idiot, but then maybe that is why I don't have any friends.

 

[Rosa]

....but then maybe that is why I don't have any friends.

except for us, GMoney?

 

[GMoney]

except for us, GMoney?

Aww, except for you all!

 

[Mike B]

Nurses aren't specially trained in the field of electronics. Bring an electronic device into a hospital, and they'll ask you to have hospital engineering check and certify it. I've worked as a respiratory therapist, I've had girlfriends that were Registered Nurses.

The only reason she might act that way would be because her mother was on supplemental oxygen, in which case the heating element of a PV could pose a potential risk. Heat + Oxygen + Fuel = Fire.

 

[Caffeined]

The two worst dangers from my own experience are getting the batteries wet, and using unprotected cells. Lithium reacts with water violently and can cause some damage. If you battery gets wet, leave it out in a safe fireproof environment to dry. Unprotected cells can chain react if too much current is drawn from them and they heat up. Only use protected cells.

 

[Harleydiver]

I must have bought a couple of unprotected batteries. I used them on my 510 for about a week, and they worked fine, then one day I used a freshly charged one and it made my atty too hot to touch and immediately drained the battery. I then used the other one, and the same thing happened. The funny thing is, when I put them on the charger, both green light go on without being plugged into the wall! My other batteries work fine with this atty.

 

[mlinky]

Unprotected cells can chain react if too much current is drawn from them and they heat up. Only use protected cells.

Actually, only use protected cells or safe chemistry. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-mods.html

 

[JudgeVape]

An 18500, if dropped from a substantial height, can leave a painful bump if it hits you in the head.

 

[Rosa]

An 18500, if dropped from a substantial height, can leave a painful bump if it hits you in the head.

Yet another "danger of e-cigarettes" to add to the list.

 

[hippiebrian]

I would ask the nurse daughter personally, then ask her how many patients she's actually seen with pv battery injuries herself. Then ask how many copd, long cancer, throat cancer, heart attacks, cardio-pulminary disease and any others caused by cigarette smoking she's seen.

I can already predict her answer, if she's honest.

 

[burnsmary95]

well, out of the thousands of posts I have read in this forum and others, the worst battery problems occurred when somebody charged non-rechargeable LI bats, then stacked them and they vented inside the PV, that is dangerous, but for the factory made devices, I have not seen any evidence of them being dangerous so far. The only things I read are people complaining that they don't work right, or go off for no reason. The only danger there is if you have it in your pocket and it heats up the atty to the point of burning you. Even then, it's only the occasional mishap. If you use your e cig as instructed, it should be fine. I know there is always a freak exception, but this is true for any battery powered device, cell phones, lap tops, Ipods etc... as mentioned above. I think you are wise to let this go with your friend. No point arguing about something that she is misinformed about, eps. drunk.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

An 18500, if dropped from a substantial height, can leave a painful bump if it hits you in the head.

Are you speaking from personal experience, Judge? Enquiring minds want to know!

 

[DC2]

I, personally, would just tell her she is an idiot, but then maybe that is why I don't have any friends.

Hmmmm, that must be what I've been doing wrong all these years.