Daughter wants to smoke, advice.

[adeline]

Why start an addictive habit at all? Why does it have to be either/or? I made a choice to try cigarettes, but that choice involved the undeveloped decision-making faculties of an 11 year old. I wasn't thinking I was going to become a smoker. I was just curious and wanted to feel grown-up, because all the grown-ups in my life smoked. I smoked because I could not quit. I vape because I cannot quit, and I don't want to harm myself by going back to cigarettes. Others will have different perspectives and addiction levels, but vaping, while enjoyable, is something I do out of a perceived lack of choice. A non-addict has the choice to never start. vaping is a substitute for me. A wonderful substitute that I am passionate about, but one that I could never recommend to a non-user, even knowing they will most likely start one way or another. Reduced harm option or not, the message is the same: "Don't start." That's my line in the sand that might seem arbitrary to some. If I had a child, I would ground them and make them go cold turkey long before I would ever offer up vaping as an alternative.

Of course, this person is 24, so that's not an option. If this person is already smoking as a legal adult, then the line in the sand is gone. I'm leaning towards two things regarding the OP's post - it's either fake in some way, or this girl really does exist and has already been smoking.

If an adult wants to start using nicotine, yes, vaping would be better than smoking, but there is still a third option, and that is the only option I feel we can ethically recommend.

I guess I wasn't clear. I would never recommend vaping with nic to a never-smoker. But zero nic, for a person who is seriously thinking about smoking/just picked it up/smokes hookah every night? I wouldn't bat an eyelash to recommend some zero nicquid and a little eGo or something.

We all had the choice to never start.

We made the wrong choice.

Many people make that choice for the first time everyday.


Oh, and how many times did someone tell us "you shouldn't do that" ??

And we still did.

Telling someone they shouldn't smoke isn't going to help them not smoke. It doesn't work that way.

My parents smoked for years. They told me not to. To never start.

I still did.

We all did.

 

[D4rk50ul]

Well I would point out how many years it took you to quit and how badly it affected your health, if you can't win that battle get her an e-cig.

 

[subversive]

I guess I wasn't clear. I would never recommend vaping with nic to a never-smoker. But zero nic, for a person who is seriously thinking about smoking/just picked it up/smokes hookah every night? I wouldn't bat an eyelash to recommend some zero nicquid and a little eGo or something.

We all had the choice to never start.

We made the wrong choice.

Many people make that choice for the first time everyday.


Oh, and how many times did someone tell us "you shouldn't do that" ??

And we still did.

Telling someone they shouldn't smoke isn't going to help them not smoke. It doesn't work that way.

My parents smoked for years. They told me not to. To never start.

I still did.

We all did.

Even with 0 nic, while we do have so much personal evidence and a few studies out there there is no concrete guarantee that long-term, concentrated inhalation of flavorings and PG/VG is harmless. I believe it is harmless, but I don't have the data to back it up. I do have some concern over flavorings and heating elements. It's a risk vs. benefit situation. I personally do not feel right recommending it to someone that isn't already addicted and thus already at much greater risk.

Knowing that discouraging them from picking up the behavior isn't likely to work doesn't mean that we shouldn't try. I also doubt that 0 nic vapor is going to interest someone who is curious about actual cigarette smoke. They want to try the "real deal". As a kid, if given a choice, I would still have picked up the cigarette first.

 

[TH'er]

Hi,

I'm new here and posted for a little advice. I've been a smoker since I was 18 and recently my 24 year old Daughter, Emma wants to start smoking but I don't like the idea of her inhaling all the dangerous chemicals in normal cigarettes. If she's serious about smoking, should I lead her towards e-cigarttes instead? I head though they are not recommended for none smokers, is this true? Since she's 24, really she's at a age she can make her own choice, just don't want her unhealthy.

Thanks.

Tell her NO !!!

give her the Tough Love Riot act....

Good luck, Wish ya the best..

 

[MordaVor]

Do what my dad did let her hit your e-cig for me nicotine is a nerve suppressor for me and nothing else at times as Im use to high stress situations

 

[razor4432]

Well, I'll give my story. I am 25 started somewhere between ages 18 and 19. I started off a pack every week or week and a half and wound up to smoking anywhere between a pack - 2 PAD within 6 months or so. Breathing is tough when I do any sort of exercise and even at work I catch myself having to back off sometimes and catch myself. I'm a Dairy Manager at a grocery store and there is plenty of heavy lifting and moving while holding heavy cases in a fast pace environment, it wasn't too bad a year or so ago but recently I've started to notice things I hadn't quite had before. Coughing, shortness of breath, etc. I wouldn't say I'm in terrible shape simply because of the good cardio workout from work but smoking really has put a big damper on my ability to work faster. I didn't think it would get past the pack a week but it just does. That's what nicotine does to us and why we all ended up here. Sorry if this isn't quite clear but I end up typing more what comes straight to my mind so I don't forget about it

Cliff Notes: Tell her NO! It's horrible and even though being 24 we think we are invisible still at such a young age we aren't. It's a stupid thing to do and of the dumb decisions I've made in the past 6 years, deciding to buy that first pack of smokies is the one I would take back in a heart beat, not even dropping out of college (which I since went back and got an Associate's Degree after getting my head screwed back on straight).

Heck have her read through the new members section of people telling their stories, surely that would sink in that smoking is not a good thing to do.

 

[Debi]

Wow. At 24 your daughter should be able to recognize that smoking bears heavy consequences. It's an expensive, nasty addiction. I can't even fathom someone her age asking her parents for permission to do this, either. I can't imagine, as a parent, rubber stamping this notion in any way, which is what you're doing if you give any hint of approval, even by "leading" her to e-cigs. Sorry, this whole scenario makes no sense.

 

[MMarie]

Simple: No.

If your daughter could be in my shoes for the last month and experience the withdrawal and detox hell that I did for the last four weeks, she wouldn't ever think about smoking: multiple canker sores, headaches, heartburn, acne and slightly anemic for the last month just from quitting. Why start in the first place if you can avoid it?

 

[Berylanna]

Well, I'll give my story. I am 25 started somewhere between ages 18 and 19. I started off a pack every week or week and a half and wound up to smoking anywhere between a pack - 2 PAD within 6 months or so. Breathing is tough when I do any sort of exercise and even at work I catch myself having to back off sometimes and catch myself. <SNIP> That's what nicotine does to us and why we all ended up here. Sorry if this isn't quite clear but I end up typing more what comes straight to my mind so I don't forget about it

No, that is what SMOKE INHALATION does to us. It is CRITICAL to remember that difference. Nicotine has health advantages and disadvantages, almost exactly like caffeine does.

Of course tell her no, but if she is already lighting things on fire and inhaling the smoke, then tell her for SURE not THAT. I think she's pulling the OP's chain, unless she is a closet smoker. OP: Do you still smoke with vaping or only vape? If you only vape, can you smell smoke on her? If you smoke AND vape, I can tell you my daughter was proud of me when I finally quit smoking.

 

[Olinb]

why on earth someone in their 20's would want to start smoking is beyond me. Can she not read, listen, and watch all the stories of grief and pain caused by analogs? I understand if you are a kid and don't know any better (as I once was) but once childhood has passed you should have better judgment. Please please advise her to avoid "ALL" addictive behaviors. I've spent my life undoing all the things I started in my youth. It has been a struggle at times and it really irritates me to know it was all unnecessary.

 

[afallucco]

I'm with adeline, look insulting her daughter's motives for wanting to start is beside the point she wants to and probably will. We all know the effects, and yes even 0nic liquid isn't completely healthy for you but if she's wanting to try it and start she will. She's 24 and not a child anymore, she can come to her own conclusions so why have her light up an analog when at least you know she's not smoking something absolutely horrible to her lungs.

We are free to make our own decisions as humans. We drink caffine even though it's not good for us, we eat fatty foods even though they aren't good for us but that's all a part of life. I personally enjoy vaping, it's relaxing and a great stress reliever/headache reducer. What fun is life if we can't enjoy the little things? IMHO life is about the moments we try and find new things, not how long we live. Considering all the unhealthy things we enjoy in our daily lives life would be boring if we didn't experience them.

I don't know what I'd do without bacon, greasy, fatty, horrible for you, bacon.

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[calikimm]

She is going to do it if she's already made up her mind. Vaping is way less harmful & actually they really haven't found dangers in it. The only thing is nicotine which is addicting. I would introduce her to vaping myself. If you do it & believe in it why not? It is good for stress & nicotine is comparable to caffeine. If you disagree with coffee then I guess you'd disagree with vaping. Tell her to try 6mg nic & show her the best setup. That's just my 2 cents. Don't see why everyone seems to be so down on it. Start her on the right foot & maybe she won't smoke.

 

[Schnarph]

I guess I'll put my in as well, but I would have to assume that my opinion will not be heard by the original thread starter. I shame my own ego to do so, but I am so happy to be off of tobacco that I can't help it.

Of all the drugs and other crap I have put in my body, nicotine has been the hardest to quit. I am no fun to be around without it. I tried Wellbutrin and other prescriptions, patches, gum, herbal remedies, etc. There has been no acceptable substitute for me yet, until vaping. Smoking is bad and vaping is not that bad at all, but totally unnecessary for somebody that hasn't been smoking already. Starting off with vaping nicotine would be like getting on nicotine patches or gum before smoking. Who does that?

I can't help but notice that at this time and date, the person that started this thread a total of 3 posts, all on the first page. I think the thread starter is long gone. Are we talking to ourselves here? Ah, the sound of my own typing...

 

[afallucco]

I guess I'll put my in as well, but I would have to assume that my opinion will not be heard by the original thread starter. I shame my own ego to do so, but I am so happy to be off of tobacco that I can't help it.

Of all the drugs and other crap I have put in my body, nicotine has been the hardest to quit. I am no fun to be around without it. I tried Wellbutrin and other prescriptions, patches, gum, herbal remedies, etc. There has been no acceptable substitute for me yet, until vaping. Smoking is bad and vaping is not that bad at all, but totally unnecessary for somebody that hasn't been smoking already. Starting off with vaping nicotine would be like getting on nicotine patches or gum before smoking. Who does that?

I can't help but notice that at this time and date, the person that started this thread a total of 3 posts, all on the first page. I think the thread starter is long gone. Are we talking to ourselves here? Ah, the sound of my own typing...

Mine would be the tapping of tablet glass, not as cool as a keyboard sound

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[USinchains]

Mine would be the tapping of tablet glass, not as cool as a keyboard sound

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Tablets are for us ex-laptop users. One should never jump straight into tablets if they've never developed a addiction to Windows XP in the first place. My answer is a flat out NO. Tough love and stuff.

 

[livingword26]

Nicotine messes with your brain chemistry. When I quit, i developed asthma, depression and anxiety, That was almost 10 years ago. I started vaping recently when I finally figured out that my brain was not going to function without it. Everyone thinks they can quit whenever they want, but the problem is, what is going to happen when you do. Don't start something that has no redeeming qualities, It will only destroy you, one way or the other.

 

[Schnarph]

Tablets are for us ex-laptop users. One should never jump straight into tablets if they've never developed a addiction to Windows XP in the first place. My answer is a flat out NO. Tough love and stuff.

I'm still using a laptop and a couple of computers on different OS's. I have never owned a smart phone. I don't carry a mobile phone with me everywhere either, I have enough chains around my neck as it is. Sometimes, I miss the old days...

I was expecting to get some real flames from my post in this thread. Not that I want to be flamed, but too many people were advising the thread starter allow/encourage their kid to start vaping. I am very happy to be vaping now, but that is ONLY because of my initial tobacco use. Did any members on this forum start vaping nicotine before smoking tobacco?

 

[afallucco]

Nicotine messes with your brain chemistry. When I quit, i developed asthma, depression and anxiety, That was almost 10 years ago. I started vaping recently when I finally figured out that my brain was not going to function without it. Everyone thinks they can quit whenever they want, but the problem is, what is going to happen when you do. Don't start something that has no redeeming qualities, It will only destroy you, one way or the other.

So do everyday things people use and put into their bodies like caffeine, alcohol, and even aspartame. The bottom line is we enjoy all those things in our daily lives. Again we enjoy many pleasant things in life, and much of it can kill us. Alcohol has no redeeming qualities either but that doesn't stop us from enjoying it.

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[Berylanna]

Nicotine messes with your brain chemistry. When I quit, i developed asthma, depression and anxiety, That was almost 10 years ago. I started vaping recently when I finally figured out that my brain was not going to function without it. Everyone thinks they can quit whenever they want, but the problem is, what is going to happen when you do. Don't start something that has no redeeming qualities, It will only destroy you, one way or the other.

Nicotine CHANGES your brain chemistry, so do coffee and tea. There is a lot of research showing VERY beneficial effects of nicotine on the brain, they are beginning to use if for dementia, for preventing alzheimers, and a number of other things. There are other things in tobacco for anti-depressives. So, people addicted to nicotine who have a horrible time quitting have been found to often be people who OUGHT to have nicotine. Almost all "medicines" are made from herbs, and nicotine should probably have been an herbal supplement (at VERY VERY low doses, like coffee-level) but instead became something to get by smoke inhalation.

So, no, don't start nicotine for no reason. However, for many of us there WAS a reason. I started because nicotine raised my mood a LOT, and at that time I was 17 and knew full well the dangers of smoking.

My Dr. told me that, with my family history (her husband is treating my Mom) she would probably prescribe nicotine for me if I had quit smoking instead of switching to vaping. Other folks are better off with no nic. Caffeine is another substance that is beneficial for some and detrimental to others. LET THE OWNER OF THE BODY IN QUESTION decide, with their doctor's advice in mind but not necessarily enforced.

Just as my stomach dr. wants me to have popcorn and my dentist does not, in the case of nicotine my regular doctors (mood, heart, overall body) want me to have nicotine but my stomach dr. does not. My compromise will probably be lower-nic near bedtime to avoid night acid reflux.

 

[livingword26]

I agree with most of what you say. Depression runs in my family, and I have often wondered if nicotine caused the chemical imbalance, or if it kept one I already had it in check. In my case, and I am sure many others as well, nicotine can be a godsend in what happens in your mind. But I also have to point out, that I remember the first time I ingested nicotine, and the results were much different than that of drinking tea or coffee for the first time. Nicotine is a much more powerful substance. So I still have to stand by my first statement, if the daughter of the op is not having any problems, leave the nicotine alone.

Nicotine CHANGES your brain chemistry, so do coffee and tea. There is a lot of research showing VERY beneficial effects of nicotine on the brain, they are beginning to use if for dementia, for preventing alzheimers, and a number of other things. There are other things in tobacco for anti-depressives. So, people addicted to nicotine who have a horrible time quitting have been found to often be people who OUGHT to have nicotine. Almost all "medicines" are made from herbs, and nicotine should probably have been an herbal supplement (at VERY VERY low doses, like coffee-level) but instead became something to get by smoke inhalation.

So, no, don't start nicotine for no reason. However, for many of us there WAS a reason. I started because nicotine raised my mood a LOT, and at that time I was 17 and knew full well the dangers of smoking.

My Dr. told me that, with my family history (her husband is treating my Mom) she would probably prescribe nicotine for me if I had quit smoking instead of switching to vaping. Other folks are better off with no nic. Caffeine is another substance that is beneficial for some and detrimental to others. LET THE OWNER OF THE BODY IN QUESTION decide, with their doctor's advice in mind but not necessarily enforced.

Just as my stomach dr. wants me to have popcorn and my dentist does not, in the case of nicotine my regular doctors (mood, heart, overall body) want me to have nicotine but my stomach dr. does not. My compromise will probably be lower-nic near bedtime to avoid night acid reflux.