Are PV'ers still pariahs?

[Unperson]

In my research into my first PV, I've visited about 50 different sites and have seen a plethora of advertising that try to convince visitors why they should invest in a PV. Most list "cheaper than analog smoking" or "a healthier alternative." Some use dangerous terms such as "a way to quit" or words like "cessation."

For me, my main reason for going the PV route will be a determined attempt to avoid tar, carbon monoxide, and the 4,000+ weapons of mass destruction that tobacco companies put into each coffin nail; not to mention the yellow fingernails/skin, el stinko hair/clothes, premature aging, and finally.. ..that ole crowd pleaser, "second-hand smoke".

One advertisement I've seen several times tries to convince you that you will now be able to "smoke everywhere." I don't think that will be the case. Realistically, I think if I draw from an e-cig in a crowded restaurant (particularly one that has a white body with a red LED), and then exhaled a plume of vapor, then everyone in that restaurant is going to play target practice with my forehead using whatever cutlery is at hand.

That's not to say that you won't be able to smoke in places you normally wouldn't be able to. For example, you may visit a location that you frequent a lot and have an understanding with the proprietor. You could try to sneak a draw while on a plane (in the bathroom, not the open cabin) or other locations that strictly forbids smoking. I read about one person that said they smoke in a movie theater as long as the cover the LED and exhale the vapor down inside their shirt.

vaping in public will be possible, but I don't think I'll be able to use it as freely as I please. People will still assume you're smoking and you'll have to stop and address each of their concerns and attempt to abate their ire everywhere you go. I haven't even ordered my first pv yet, and I've no doubt that I would get tired of going through the whole, "..but it's not real!" speech very quickly.

Some sites offer a little card you can show to people to try to explain the pv, but even that means stopping to allow them to read it and even then, some won't care. They will go all 'old school' on you and continue to object with the notion of, "..if it looks like a cigarette, releases a plume when you exhale, etc.) then you're smoking and you should now be stoned, burned, and put on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard."

I'm almost tempted to go with a screwdriver design or Joye stick for my public smoking option just to avoid some of the social stigma*. Hey! Can someone design a pv that looks like an inhaler (used by asmatics)?!?!?

* Note: My karma ran over my dogma; now I have a stigma on the magma. {sorry, I had to write that}

Anywho.. ..I'm curious what others have experienced trying to enjoy a good vape in a crowded room or public environment. Stories please.. ..oh, and pictures would be nice too.;-)

 

[Ryum]

I wouldn't vap anywhere I didn't think it would be appropriate to smoke cept for places I will be at for a while.
Like my car, I wouldn't smoke cause of the smell but vaping shouldn't be an issue
Like inside my house, I would never smoke there, but again I don't think I'll mind vaping indoors within reason
And some people talk to their boss or whoever at work to see if they can do it at their desk/office. I think with sufficient explanation, and you have a good rapport with whoever gets to decide. They'll go for it for a trial period anyways.

As for the general public I could give a crap, I just try to afford them the same things I expect in return. I wouldn't vap in a movie theater, non-smoking part of a restaurant or anything like that.

 

[blondeambition3]

I vape everywhere in Public (Within the privacy of the bathroom stalls), as well as in my pick-up and my Home. I also vape openly at all of the major Theme Parks here in Orlando, FL, whether they're designated Smoking areas or not... never get dirty looks or asked to 'put it out' at any of those for some reason... lol.

Friends & Family don't mind me vaping in their non-smoking households either.... they 'get' the whole 'personal vaporizer' aspect of the e-Cig and don't object to the VAPORS which most say smell like 'cookies'....

When I was a smoker (3 years ago), I NEVER smoked in my Home or anywhere in Public (except for areas designated for Smokers) as I realized I'd be treated like a modern day Leper if I did... so for that 'same' reason, I vape in private.

I have a couple of those 'hand out' cards but just don't want to 'bother' with handing them to People and Yes, the "It isn't REAL spiel" gets OLD real fast!....

 

[Raenon]

Yeah, every so often you have to explain it, but more and more people are responding "oh, it's one of those electronic ones?". This is especially true if you don't get one that looks like a regular cigarette, and it's generally a positive end to their comment, unless they ask for more info (usually they're trying to quit cigs, or know a family member or friend who is).
Personally, I like the black body and blue led of my m401- most 510's also seem to share that color scheme. The kr808's seem to be most colorful (I'm not partial to teal or pink, but some of them seem ok )

You also have the option of "stealth" liquids which produce no visible plume. I've never used them myself, so I can't speak to their other attributes, but users seem to be content with their flavor and nicotine hit.

 

[Remie]

In my research into my first PV, I've visited about 50 different sites and have seen a plethora of advertising that try to convince visitors why they should invest in a PV. Most list "cheaper than analog smoking" or "a healthier alternative." Some use dangerous terms such as "a way to quit" or words like "cessation."

For me, my main reason for going the PV route will be a determined attempt to avoid tar, carbon monoxide, and the 4,000+ weapons of mass destruction that tobacco companies put into each coffin nail; not to mention the yellow fingernails/skin, el stinko hair/clothes, premature aging, and finally.. ..that ole crowd pleaser, "second-hand smoke".

One advertisement I've seen several times tries to convince you that you will now be able to "smoke everywhere." I don't think that will be the case. Realistically, I think if I draw from an e-cig in a crowded restaurant (particularly one that has a white body with a red LED), and then exhaled a plume of vapor, then everyone in that restaurant is going to play target practice with my forehead using whatever cutlery is at hand.

That's not to say that you won't be able to smoke in places you normally wouldn't be able to. For example, you may visit a location that you frequent a lot and have an understanding with the proprietor. You could try to sneak a draw while on a plane (in the bathroom, not the open cabin) or other locations that strictly forbids smoking. I read about one person that said they smoke in a movie theater as long as the cover the LED and exhale the vapor down inside their shirt.

Vaping in public will be possible, but I don't think I'll be able to use it as freely as I please. People will still assume you're smoking and you'll have to stop and address each of their concerns and attempt to abate their ire everywhere you go. I haven't even ordered my first pv yet, and I've no doubt that I would get tired of going through the whole, "..but it's not real!" speech very quickly.

Some sites offer a little card you can show to people to try to explain the pv, but even that means stopping to allow them to read it and even then, some won't care. They will go all 'old school' on you and continue to object with the notion of, "..if it looks like a cigarette, releases a plume when you exhale, etc.) then you're smoking and you should now be stoned, burned, and put on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard."

I'm almost tempted to go with a screwdriver design or Joye stick for my public smoking option just to avoid some of the social stigma*. Hey! Can someone design a pv that looks like an inhaler (used by asmatics)?!?!?

* Note: My karma ran over my dogma; now I have a stigma on the magma. {sorry, I had to write that}

Anywho.. ..I'm curious what others have experienced trying to enjoy a good vape in a crowded room or public environment. Stories please.. ..oh, and pictures would be nice too.;-)

Hi Unperson,

I absolutely loved your post, especially the above highlighted descriptions

I desperately wanted to give up smoking for the same reasons you mention. The "el-stinko hair" and dirty-ashtray clothing even 30 minutes post washer and drier with extra fabric softener was finally getting as old as the pre-mature wrinkles on my face 8-o

I randomly discovered e-cigs and wasn't bombarded with the mass-ad world of fabulous or what you feel may be "dangerous" claims. I quickly started researching though and got a well rounded education on this forum instead.

Do you really feel that to advertise e-cigs as a way to quit smoking is dangerous? I'm honestly interested in your opinion.

I firmly believe that sucking people into hundreds of dollars worth of monthly payments for an inferior product is indeed really crappy when the truth is, it's not at all costly to invest in a quality product from a reputable supplier.

I've had my PV (I went with the Joye 510 from cignot.com) for just about three weeks. I was able to completely quit a lifelong 1.5+ pack a day habit the first night I had my 510. I'm already experiencing the benefits of quitting smoking and I enjoy vaping much more than I ever "loved" smoking.

I can vape guilt and stench free in my house, in my car and I've even been curiously rebellious by breaking it out and taking a few draws from it while walking down the plumbing isle at Lowe's and strolling through the local Dollar Store. Either the few people around me were alien robots, in walking comas or they just didn't notice me exhaling a vapor cloud.

It is the best "smoking cessation" aid I've ever happened across. To be able to say I went from smoking almost 2 packs a day to zero overnight, painlessly, no anxiety, nothing - is a miracle.

Have you decided to take the plunge and order a PV?

Remie

 

[kmackrocks]

good points Un...I think that no matter what facet of life comes along, there will always be people that will be ignorant and inflexible. I think one of the best things that we, as a new generation of "smoker" can do is share and educate them, and as well be accommodating to non-vapers and respectful. I would love to vape everywhere, but I could understand and respect it if someone asked me to stop, unless I was in my house or my car (public places, I guess is a better term ). The popularity of these is still catching on, and the more we share and educate, the better position it puts us all in! The exception to that is politicans They have their own agenda.

 

[CaptJay]

I like that you quoted (or maybe paraphrased lol) Douglas Adams in your post Un - he was one of us lepers at points in his life (maybe thats where he got the beware of the Leopard line from? lol) and I'm sure he would have chimed in about smokers being 2nd class citizens - or more likely written something funny and profound.
I never minded getting shunted out of resturants and airplanes, I never liked smoking there anyway, and its not a huge deal for me to PV in those places either.
I just want to avoid the cold standing outside you guys stink part of smoking.
I can do that with PVing.
The antis tho - ah - I do wonder if some people get their jollies from putting down a part of society that is 'mostly harmless' except to themselves. I can understand the vituperation against drunks, they can and DO harm others on a daily basis - just ask any battered wife/child, yet it seems they aren't hounded with anything like the malice that smokers are.
Will pvers suffer this same treatment?
I can't see it being as bad unless it gets banned across the board as 'drug taking' and we get lumped in with crack heads.

 

[Unperson]

Hi Unperson,

...Do you really feel that to advertise e-cigs as a way to quit smoking is dangerous? I'm honestly interested in your opinion...

To reply to "is dangerous"? Personally, no. I think that PV's are an excellent tool to get people off of analog cigarettes, cigars, pipes, chewing tobacco, etc.. But does that qualify them as "cessation" devices? Again, no. Why? Because many are not turning to them to stop smoking. Many want to continue to smoke, just without all of the negative analog aspects. I think there is an extremely low percentile of pv'ers that are using the "0" mg juices. For the majority, they still want the nicotine intake.

Do PV's have the possibility of leading to removing nicotine from the equation? Absolutely; but that is not what is making them currently desirable or popular.

To be honest, if someone introduced a PV to me so I could "quit" smoking, I'd probably tell them I'm not ready to quit. However, if they say it is a healthier alternative to smoking, then I'm all ears.

Additionally, the FDA is looking for all kinds of ways to rain on the pv parade; basically grasping at straws. One banner they are waving is the "PV's are not a proven method of cessation." Because of this, we (the pv community) need to tread lightly. Let's not pour petrol on a bonfire. The FDA is also using ammo such as "the candy flavors attract kids to smoke" but I can walk down to a corner store and buy flavored analog products that include clove, chocolate, etc.. and the FDA let those slip by.

PV's have already built up a little forward momentum and that is hopefully going to sustain them from agencies like the FDA that are trying to break the inertia already in place. Ultimately, I think the pv is the future. The stock market is already starting to demonstrate this as well.

We, as PV'ers, need to be patient, understanding, and recommend the product to friends and relatives in a responsible and truthful manner, and doing so will start the "word of mouth" advertising that really allows a product to soar.

 

[Remie]

To reply to "is dangerous"? Personally, no. I think that PV's are an excellent tool to get people off of analog cigarettes, cigars, pipes, chewing tobacco, etc.. But does that qualify them as "cessation" devices? Again, no. Why? Because many are not turning to them to stop smoking. Many want to continue to smoke, just without all of the negative analog aspects. I think there is an extremely low percentile of pv'ers that are using the "0" mg juices. For the majority, they still want the nicotine intake.

Do PV's have the possibility of leading to removing nicotine from the equation? Absolutely; but that is not what is making them currently desirable or popular.

To be honest, if someone introduced a PV to me so I could "quit" smoking, I'd probably tell them I'm not ready to quit. However, if they say it is a healthier alternative to smoking, then I'm all ears.

Additionally, the FDA is looking for all kinds of ways to rain on the pv parade; basically grasping at straws. One banner they are waving is the "PV's are not a proven method of cessation." Because of this, we (the pv community) need to tread lightly. Let's not pour petrol on a bonfire. The FDA is also using ammo such as "the candy flavors attract kids to smoke" but I can walk down to a corner store and buy flavored analog products that include clove, chocolate, etc.. and the FDA let those slip by.

PV's have already built up a little forward momentum and that is hopefully going to sustain them from agencies like the FDA that are trying to break the inertia already in place. Ultimately, I think the pv is the future. The stock market is already starting to demonstrate this as well.

We, as PV'ers, need to be patient, understanding, and recommend the product to friends and relatives in a responsible and truthful manner, and doing so will start the "word of mouth" advertising that really allows a product to soar.

I totally agree with what you've said with one exception - I did stop smoking! An alternative to smoking would also be any form of FDA approved and OTC nicotine replacement therapy. Those don't work for me. Vaping did.

There is nothing inherently dangerous or harmful about *nicotine* addiction. There was an awful lot of harm and danger with my chosen method of nicotine delivery which was *smoking* burning tobacco and the thousands of other chemical additives.

The fact that I was instantly able to completely quit smoking without any discomfort and without losing a deep seated psychological habit which otherwise suddenly deprived of would have instantly set me up for failure, to me, stands on it's own. The habit of holding something in my hand, putting it into my mouth, inhaling and exhaling doesn't mean I'm "smoking".

It only means I am succeeding at not smoking because I gained something more pleasurable and much more satisfying. I'm not exhaling smoke which is the byproduct of something burning, I'm exhaling water vapor.

The supreme court ruled last week that e-cigs are a "reduced harm" tobacco product and that the FDA can not step in to regulate or stop the introduction of e-cig related products into the USA. This ruling set the e-cig industry up to win should it ever go to trial. Yes, we are walking on new turf and paving the way for those behind us. Basic logic, ethics and morals say that we do have a responsibility to "tread lightly" and not "pour petrol on the fire".
Reality is though, Wall Street and industry are anything but logical, ethical and moral. There is huge potential for the companies who strategically maneuver themselves to the top of this market. Word of mouth works very well, to a point...

That said - I have no idea what I'm really trying to say here I went of on a ranting tangent

Oh, yeah... I did use it to stop smoking, and it worked!

 

[DC2]

Do you really feel that to advertise e-cigs as a way to quit smoking is dangerous? I'm honestly interested in your opinion.

Yes, it is very dangerous.

The only reason Smoking Everywhere and NJoy prevailed against the FDA in Round One is because they do not advertise themselves as a smoking cessation product. Anyone who advertises themselves as a smoking cessation product is going to feel the heat of the FDA that not even Judge Leon's ruling would prevent.

Judge Leon's ruling was based almost entirely on the fact that these companies do not advertise as smoking cessation products, and that their advertising materials advance the concept of an alternative to smoking cigarettes. The point is that these companines, with their advertisements and promotional literature, are promoting continuous and non-stop use of their product, thereby making them a recreational alternative use to cigarettes.

Yes, we all know that the majority of us DO in fact stop smoking using these products. But we continue using our nicotine, and most of us do not intend to stop. And that is where Judge Leon has put forward the opinion that these are therefore recreational tobacco products.

Basically, if you say you are a smoking cessation product, you have lots of wonderfully fun, expensive, and time consuming hurdles to jump through. And if more electronic cigarette suppliers advertise in this manner, they may very well draw the ire and attention of the FDA and could sway some judge somewhere down the road to conclude that these should indeed be treated as smoking cessation products.

I think that is fairly unlikely, but still a dangerous possibility.
And anyone who advertises that way is asking for trouble from the FDA for sure.

 

[donnellyk]

I feel like a pariah sometimes. So many people don't know about the e-cigg and view it as a drug delivery device, which it is... who's explanation does not quell so many people's need to judge. Contempt prior to investigation.

People who are courteously curious I indulge, even the naysayers I have entertained to a point.

In the meantime, until this "new" technology is more mainstream and gets more positive publicity I am respectful of my surroundings and am discreet where I deem necessary.

Personally I favor my un-cigg looking e-ciggs, silver, black, (pastels too, innocuous) and save my high voltage device for home or where I won't get any more strange looks/questions than I already do...

I made the mistake of taking my new Chuck to work for "show and tell" and received constant (good natured) ribbing on my "c___k" pipe...they could not handle it! As a substance abuse counselor I figured a lower profile was in order...with the pastels and like, I have converted a few tentatively. Most are still smoking, I'm not. For over 4 months.

They're not laughing now...

 

[blondeambition3]

I totally agree with what you've said with one exception - I did stop smoking! An alternative to smoking would also be any form of FDA approved and OTC nicotine replacement therapy. Those don't work for me. Vaping did.

There is nothing inherently dangerous or harmful about *nicotine* addiction. There was an awful lot of harm and danger with my chosen method of nicotine delivery which was *smoking* burning tobacco and the thousands of other chemical additives.

The fact that I was instantly able to completely quit smoking without any discomfort and without losing a deep seated psychological habit which otherwise suddenly deprived of would have instantly set me up for failure, to me, stands on it's own. The habit of holding something in my hand, putting it into my mouth, inhaling and exhaling doesn't mean I'm "smoking".

It only means I am succeeding at not smoking because I gained something more pleasurable and much more satisfying. I'm not exhaling smoke which is the byproduct of something burning, I'm exhaling water vapor.

The supreme court ruled last week that e-cigs are a "reduced harm" tobacco product and that the FDA can not step in to regulate or stop the introduction of e-cig related products into the USA. This ruling set the e-cig industry up to win should it ever go to trial. Yes, we are walking on new turf and paving the way for those behind us. Basic logic, ethics and morals say that we do have a responsibility to "tread lightly" and not "pour petrol on the fire".
Reality is though, Wall Street and industry are anything but logical, ethical and moral. There is huge potential for the companies who strategically maneuver themselves to the top of this market. Word of mouth works very well, to a point...

That said - I have no idea what I'm really trying to say here I went of on a ranting tangent

Oh, yeah... I did use it to stop smoking, and it worked!

This is the most "eloquent" ranting tangent I've ever heard!.....

 

[Remie]

This is the most "eloquent" ranting tangent I've ever heard!.....

Thanks!! lol!! I honestly have no idea what's going to pour out of me sometimes I think most people probably could have said that in two sentences or less

 

[NCC]

I haven't really been too daring about public vaping, yet. I've done some stealthy drags in department and grocery stores, and at my non-smoking workplace. At work, I'm less careful than the other places. Some of the guys at work dip. To me, there are few things more gross than a spit cup. I've seen them spilled. I've had to relocate them myself and that makes me almost lose my lunch. If I am confronted by superiors about vaping at work, you can rest assured that the dippers will be brought into the conversation.

Honestly though, the reason I'm responding in this thread is because the OP's concerns remind me so much of my experience with my car (see avatar). Confronted with something with which they are unfamiliar, people make conclusions based on visual impact ... and frequently make incorrect conclusions. Owning a smart for 18 months has been like being an unpaid representative of smart USA. Wherever I go, I have to add a few minutes to my schedule to answer questions. Some people know a little about it ... most know nothing other than its visual impact. They conclude it crushes like an aluminum can in a collision, gets 60 MPG, is cramped, and costs less than $10K.

eCigs are new, and most people don't know much about them, other than the visual impact, which looks a whole lot like you're smoking ... even if it is a funky looking cigarette. You, and I, therefore are obligated to do a little educating of the masses. I'd go even further, suggesting contacting your governmental representatives in the educational quests, in a pre-emptive effort to prevent legal restrictions. I haven't yet done this ... but, think it is a worthy thing to do!

eCigs had me effortlessly drop a 35 year smoking addiction. I nearly died 25 years ago when I fell asleep with a cigarette. No tar, no fire hazard, no ashes ... this technology ROCKS! I feel it should not only not be restricted, but should be ENDORSED at a governmental level.

Yeah, vapers and smart owners ... and, I'm both.

 

[Remie]

I haven't really been too daring about public vaping, yet. I've done some stealthy drags in department and grocery stores, and at my non-smoking workplace. At work, I'm less careful than the other places. Some of the guys at work dip. To me, there are few things more gross than a spit cup. I've seen the spilled. I've had to relocate them myself and that makes me almost lose my lunch. If I am confronted by superiors about vaping at work, you can rest assured that the dippers will be brought into the conversation.

Honestly though, the reason I'm responding in this thread is because the OP's concerns remind me so much of my experience with my car (see avatar). Confronted with something with which they are unfamiliar, people make conclusions based on visiual impact ... and frequently make incorrect conclusions. Owning a smart for 18 months has been like being an unpaid representative of smart USA. Some people know a little about it ... most know nothing other than its visual impact. They conclude it crushes like an aluminum can in an impact, gets 60 MPG, is cramped, and costs less than $10K.

eCigs are new, and most people don't know much about them, other than the visual impact, which looks a whole lot like you're smoking ... even if it is a funky looking cigarette. You, and I, therefore are obligated to do a little educating of the masses. I'd go even further, suggesting contacting your governmental representatives in the educational quests, in a pre-emptive effort to prevent legal restrictions. I haven't yet done this ... but, think it is a worthy thing to do!

eCigs had me effortlessly drop a 35 year smoking addiction. I nearly died 25 years ago when I fell asleep with a cigarette. No tar, no fire hazard, no ashes ... this technology ROCKS! I feel it should not only not be restricted, but should be ENDORSED at a governmental level.

Yeah, vapers and smart owners ... and, I'm both.

Now that was eloquent! I completely agree about educating the masses. I do it wherever and whenever I can. I am seriously passionate about e-cig technology and it's potential to mop the floor with Big Tobacco!

I started smoking when I was 12. I do not know life without smoking. My e-cig enabled me to do the exact same thing and I never want to look back.

I applaud you and congratulate you on quitting!! YEEAH, another dollar not spent on big tobacco! I spend a lot of time in Florida and I used to load up on cigs down there because they are $8.00 PLUS per pack up here. Never again! I am sure everyone can relate when I say, "Do you have any idea how much money I am NOT spending on cigs anymore!??" Wow. When I think of how much money I literally burned through it's horrifying.

My first response when questioned is always the truth- "I am not smoking, it's not a cigarette, what you see when I exhale is water vapor. I quit smoking (X) weeks ago..." I've had more people ask me if I had a card with information on where to buy one because either they or someone they care about would really be interested in finding out if they can "quit smoking" effortlessly and painlessly.

This technology SERIOUSLY ROCKS!

Speaking about vaping in public - I have friends who were at NAAM out in LA a few weeks ago and they said that there were lots of people walking around 'vaping"... is vaping in public more accepted in CA than out here yet?

 

[Clem68W]

Unfortunately I work with a lot of young kids who shoot guns, drink like fish and smoke relentlessly--they mostly think it "looks gay." Smoke up, Johnny--see how you feel about your camel wides in twenty years. Kids...I digress. My wife likes the less smelly me, and that's the most important thing.

 

[Remie]

Unfortunately I work with a lot of young kids who shoot guns, drink like fish and smoke relentlessly--they mostly think it "looks gay." Smoke up, Johnny--see how you feel about your camel wides in twenty years. Kids...I digress. My wife likes the less smelly me, and that's the most important thing.

I like the less smelly me! I can actually smell my conditioner in my hair, I can smell the fabric softener on my clothes and I can tell instantly if my BF has been smoking. He's weaning himself without e-cigs and is down to 3 or 4 a day... but man, when he walks in? I never noticed the smell and it never bothered me!

As for those kids thinking e-cigs look gay? meh... what you said is sad but true. Ask me what I think of my Newports now after 20+ years!

If I can change one kid's mind - just one... I'd feel like I've done something really great

 

[FizzleFisch]

Awright! I'm raising the flag on ya' there Unperson (up in New England)! Now try not to get yer panties in a wad though...cuz we do this everyday down here in Tejas. It's kinda' how we tend to build up our camp of comrades ... if you get my drift.

I read your post here. And I've also digested your others elsewhere. -- good stuff mi amigo! You've got a healthy wit & an adroit command of expression-guided psycho-dynamics. You certainly have picked up a good measure of the salient points embedded throughout the various debates; as well as the subtle details of conflicting opinion pervading the whole nicotine-vaping phenomenon.

So I gotta' oblige a natural deference to my own reflexes in projecting Aretha's respect upon the image of your being as that of a keenly observant & sly intellect. And therefore, I'm moved to take you at your word simply for the sake of adhering to the premises of fair play.

-- But... in the eyes of this here ornery wrangler.... I contend that you have betrayed your own whiznant debut via a faulty promenade. You have flashed (what we call in Texas Poker) a "tell". (Yep!.... sorry.... that's the way it is.)

So I'm call'n you out! All the chips are hereby placed on the table hombre! All you gotta' do is decide if'n you're all-in ...
...or if you're just gonna' toss 'em down with a fold!

Now quit pissing around and go check your personal messages.

fisch

 

[Unperson]

Awright! I'm raising the flag on ya' there Unperson (up in New England)! Now try not to get yer panties in a wad though...cuz we do this everyday down here in Tejas. It's kinda' how we tend to build up our camp of comrades ... if you get my drift.

I lived under the Lone Star many years ago just south of the second-largest city. I wasn't wearing panties then, but I did have this low-rise mesh number I use to don during Cinco de Mayo.

I read your post here. And I've also digested your others elsewhere. -- good stuff mi amigo! You've got a healthy wit & an adroit command of expression-guided psycho-dynamics. You certainly have picked up a good measure of the salient points embedded throughout the various debates; as well as the subtle details of conflicting opinion pervading the whole nicotine-vaping phenomenon.

Metaphors and proverbs make even rocket science easy to digest.

So I gotta' oblige a natural deference to my own reflexes in projecting Aretha's respect upon the image of your being as that of a keenly observant & sly intellect. And therefore, I'm moved to take you at your word simply for the sake of adhering to the premises of fair play.

While I respect Miss Frankin, I'd prefer to muddy the waters about a decade back when I 'got my mojo working'.

-- But... in the eyes of this here ornery wrangler.... I contend that you have betrayed your own whiznant debut via a faulty promenade. You have flashed (what we call in Texas Poker) a "tell". (Yep!.... sorry.... that's the way it is.)

Yes, egg on ones face is less yummy than eggs in ones stomach. I yield.

So I'm call'n you out! All the chips are hereby placed on the table hombre! All you gotta' do is decide if'n you're all-in ...
...or if you're just gonna' toss 'em down with a fold!

Got any aces? No? Go Fisch!

Now quit pissing around and go check your personal messages.

fisch

I done did.

Extra peas and chicken grease!

 

[Vaerez]

Slow down, professors - some of us went out drinking last night.

In my first week with a PV, I made a point to use it in public because the world hasn't crushed my dreams quite enough for me to stop believing that I can increase social awareness on a case-by-case basis.

Unbelievably, it actually worked. Not one person stabbed me or attempted to confine me in some form of encapsulation device, for later judgment of my crimes. Needless to say, it's been a pretty good week.

Be proactive and assertive when it comes to vaping in public; I truly believe that if a J.Q. Public has a positive experience with a vaper, we're all better off as a community of vapers. As much as anyone hates to admit it, we demonstrate favoritism to those persons or things that we have a proclivity towards. A rudimentary example:

Neutral Person [A]: Has never smoked analogs; knows little about smoking; knows even less about vaping; is anti-smoking but not a zealot; is wearing a fancy hat.
Novice Vaper : Has smoked analogs and been ostracized at one time or another for doing so; has purchased a PV and would like to use it in public; doesn't feel like getting stabbed today.

[A] encounters in a public place.
is friggin' vapin' over here.
[A] shoots the stink/crook/evil eye at for what [A] deems "inappropriate".
greets [A] with some form of colloquial greeting, and body language that says: "You can trust me, I'm not a zombie terrorist."
[A] changes demeanor slightly and greets with an air of suspicion.
immediately addresses the fact that [A] is unhappy with for smoking in a public place.
attempts to quell the blind, ignorant outrage that [A] is experiencing, possibly by complimenting the fancy hat.
explains that he/she is not actually smoking, and that (fill with PV information) so [A] really has nothing to worry about.
continues speaking so that [A] is not allowed the nay-saying rebuttal.
goes off on a tangent about America / freedom / steak sandwiches / the Roarin' 20's.
does all of this with a smile, but doesn't lay it on really thick so as to arouse doubt from [A].
The rage [A] was experiencing has subsided long ago, and now [A] drifts in a sea of emotional confusion.
[A] cannot help but ultimately question how he/she was ever upset with the charming in the first place.
[A] is relieved to have met such a nice and asks why others like him/her have not switched to the PV.
assures [A] that one day they all will, and that the world will be pure and good again just like that one time on that one weekend, you know, when we defeated Communism.
[A] exits public place with substantially more information about PVs, and is 78 to 84% less likely to stab a vaper in the future.
has triumphed over ignorance and the inevitable fear/rage that follows it.
celebrates with whiskey and steak sandwiches (clothing optional)

And let me tell you friends - it really is that easy.

Happy Vapor Trails,
Vae